Wermy:
ScaniaUltimate
“This is the type of education we should be getting on our DCPC courses.
Something to keep the ‘already know it all’ types awake.”
Exactly what the DCPC is supposed to be about and would make it far more interesting. I was reading that in the US they have air brake instruction and tests for PSV’s so all these different configurations should be covered
Well once drivers who’ve been driving over quarter of a century start to get all the questions right about the basics like drivers hours and load security then they can move on to stuff like that. However whilst drivers who’ve been driving for years still think that if you have 11hrs off after a 15 hr duty you’ve not taken a reduced daily rest it won’t happen.
I learnt back in my early trucking days I’m the 90’s when I was trying to climb a very slippery hill in a 113 but failed halfway up. When I applied the handbrake I started sliding back with only the drive axle wheels locked so I had to sit there with my foot on the service brakes until the traffic behind cleared so I could reverse back down the hill. Stupidest design ever, can’t believe scania are still doing it!
njl:
On the Volvo to set trailer brakes on parking hold in the retarder stalk both notches up to the wheel when you set the park brake, should light up on dash to show its on also.
On the FH4 click the stalk twice towards you and hold it there to engage the trailer brakes, drivers door needs to be closed. Handy when setting up sliding skellys.
robthedog:
but I don’t think you could actually pull it out with the air up.
Oh yes you can whilst driving along as well, take it from me as I’ve done it !!
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Lemme guess…
If there was a button with a big red sign saying “Do Not Touch”■■
Conor:
[qu. However whilst drivers who’ve been driving for years still think that if you have 11hrs off after a 15 hr duty you’ve not taken a reduced daily rest it won’t happen.
A non-sensical rule if ever there was one.
Yes absolutely! You should definitely be allowed to work for 15 hrs, no, 20 hrs, no, 25 hrs straight, just so long as you get 11 hrs kip afterwards.
Sand Fisher:
A non-sensical rule if ever there was one.
Yes absolutely! You should definitely be allowed to work for 15 hrs, no, 20 hrs, no, 25 hrs straight, just so long as you get 11 hrs kip afterwards.
But by the same logic you’d expect 12 hours minimum unbroken daily rest.Can be reduced to 9 hours, only when sleeping in vehicle away from base, but must be compensated for within the 24 hour period following.
Juddian:
The trailers in question were drags, not semi trailers, the air lines and connectors not only filthy and covered in grease but the chances of the connector coming undone without hammering the living daylights out of it almost impossible that wasn’t going to happen, in practice the prime mover was seldom if ever disconnected from the trailer except for servicing…which where i worked sadly at the time never happened.
As i recall you would apply the park brake as normal and then hold the Broms button out for about 5 seconds and it would pressurise enough to stay out.
I only remember the trailer brakes Scania definitely and Volvo ? only being usable when moving.The trailer brake hand valve control was spring loaded to off with no lock.
While trailer parking brake control is now only optional extra it’s called a TRBR-STA system.
As for wheel chocks it can only help to use them rather than not.
robthedog:
but I don’t think you could actually pull it out with the air up.
Oh yes you can whilst driving along as well, take it from me as I’ve done it !!
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You’ve got mighty strong fingers to be able to pull that button out with air pressure over about 80psi.
I used to do plant on a brioshous always put trailer brake on before loading. The Volvo I have now is ideal for walking floor discharge,just set hand throttle whilst walking use trailer brake which is on same stalk as exhaust brake so you can let brake off and on without revs dropping as it does if you use hand brake
I checked the park pressures at the chambers of two unladen trailers this morning each while coupled to a unit which pressurises the yellow line. An old 30ft tandem three line air trailer without EBS 2.5 bar and a modern tandem trailer with EBS 4.5 bar.
robthedog:
but I don’t think you could actually pull it out with the air up.
Oh yes you can whilst driving along as well, take it from me as I’ve done it !!
You’ve got mighty strong fingers to be able to pull that button out with air pressure over about 80psi.
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Fingers like sausages and Hands like shovels but I can’t pull a broms brake out. OK
Conor:
[qu. However whilst drivers who’ve been driving for years still think that if you have 11hrs off after a 15 hr duty you’ve not taken a reduced daily rest it won’t happen.
A non-sensical rule if ever there was one.
Yes absolutely! You should definitely be allowed to work for 15 hrs, no, 20 hrs, no, 25 hrs straight, just so long as you get 11 hrs kip afterwards.
I think my comment went over your head mate. If you have just done 15 hrs say and you take 40 hours off it is still a reduced rest doh! It is legally, but in reality, c’mon. Legally you’d have a split rest rest so to speak 9 hours reduced followed by 31 normal rest. I’d be quite happy to have 13 hours off and it not count as a reduced rest, but that’s the EU for you.
I once had VOSA in a muddle over that one. The issue arose when the last 15 hour ‘duty’ was immediately followed by a weekly rest. At first they said you didn’t need 9 hours off as you’d gone to a weekly rest. Got it in writing too. Then after a few days they changed their mind.
It all arose from a question of could you do 4 x 15 hrs in a week where the last shift was followed by in this case a week off.