Convoy on the m1 last night

mrcreosote90:
Thing with Korea is to make one viable warhead to sticky tape to a large fire work isn’t all that expensive , but to build a fleet of warheads with multiple independent targeted warheads with decoy re entry rounds capable of multiple megaton settings mounted on a dependable platform such as trident does cost billions and yet when we tested one not long back it misfired and had to have its range safety package activated by the Rso if Korea was mad enough to lob a bucket of instant sunshine at the yanks it would be intercepted I don’t know if they Nike missile system is still active or if it’s all patriot mobile kit now but the Americans wouldn’t retaliate with nuclear weapons incase the Russians kept up with the mutually assured destruction crap then we would have to launch ours too, likely out come is kimmie launches gets swatted the Americans send all the b52s b1bs to carpet bomb him from north to South

That would be a rational choice.
Have you been keeping up with current events? Seen who is in the White House now?

Oddly enough I had forgotten about the honey monster in charge oops!!

nsmith1180:
You only ever seem to post complete bolox, deliberately trying to start an argument. Every weekend you are on here taking a deliberatly contrary position or commenting on a subject line without reading the topic. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Bking has a well-won reputation on here, but what he has to say about nuclear weapons in this thread suggests that he suffers from some kind of mental ailment. I cannot grasp how a normally-functioning human being could hold some of the opinions that he does. It’s way outside even Carryfast and Winseer territory.

Captain Caveman 76:
Just like satellites aren’t real either?

At the present time of typing there are 22 non existant satellites showing up as visible to my drones GPS reciever and 18 in the van satnav. :open_mouth:

nsmith1180:

Bking:
And lets face it would you allow some brain dead “millitary” vegatable to transport a 5 megatonne war head around?

I’d rather some brain dead military vegetable than someone like you.

You only ever seem to post complete bolox, deliberately trying to start an argument. Every weekend you are on here taking a deliberatly contrary position or commenting on a subject line without reading the topic. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Why don’t you leave those of us who want to have a reasonable discussion alone and bugger off to mumsnet where your conspiracy theories might actually be listened too? Ask for spelling lessons while you are there.

Yes Captain of course you being “educated” at some public school would know better,

And now “da da dada” North Korea has had an upgrade.
Not only have they got “nuclear weapons”
They now got “thermo nuclear weapons”

EG the ■■■■■■■■ “h” bomb
Only problem is the bloody H bomb cannot or will not ever exist
In the “h”" bomb you set off an “atomic” bomb and the “pressure” from this Bomb is supposed to compress a steel ball full of H2 and H3 (dueterium and tritium) so that these isotopes “biend” and realease 5 megatoones of energy.
Never heard such a load of bollox in all my life.
Keep believing boys you know the “government” would never lie to you.

Olog Hai:

nsmith1180:
You only ever seem to post complete bolox, deliberately trying to start an argument. Every weekend you are on here taking a deliberatly contrary position or commenting on a subject line without reading the topic. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Bking has a well-won reputation on here, but what he has to say about nuclear weapons in this thread suggests that he suffers from some kind of mental ailment. I cannot grasp how a normally-functioning human being could hold some of the opinions that he does. It’s way outside even Carryfast and Winseer territory.

Yes the mental ailment is being able to turn off the idiot lamp and having the balls to think for myself .
A skill that clearly is way beyond your remit.
When you can refute my argument please get in touch.
Till then shut your gob,

robroy:

Bking:

raymundo:
Well you would know bking, just like you said an engine could never run away or run backwards, you’re far worse than even Carryfast or ffs Conor, with UkTramp in close contention …

Another brainwashed monkey
Keep believing baby,
Why would they lie to you?
Think about it… A country like N korea could have the resources to build a nuclear warhead ,then put this warheads on a missile that can travel 7000 miles to the west coast of the United states and yield one megaton on San Francisco and yet to “update” Trident is going to cost the UK public 50 billion pounds?
They just cut exports from this third world state to China by a third(fish,coal and iron ore) This third of their total GDP amounted to 3 billion dollars.
How the F88k do you build a nuclear “arsenal” with less than 6 billion dollars not counting buying imports like oil gas and food.
Use your brain and see through the crap.

Good old Bking, don’t you just love him, what a charmer eh? :smiley:
The man who knows it all, and thinks everybody else who disagrees with him (which usually actually IS everybody else btw :smiley: ) is a quote;… ‘’[zb] thick…(fill in the blank for his insult of the day) "

The man who has a refuting conspiracy theory for absolutely everything from The Holocaust to the death of Rod Hull. :smiley:
Because im not a brainwashed plantpot like yourself,
Time you opened your eyes my friend.

I’d love to meet him in a pub, not in his company btw, …Christ no ! :open_mouth: , but just to sit on the next table to discreetly listen to him imparting his wisdom, to some poor sod sat with him…pure entertainment. :laughing:

I love this forum. :laughing:

raymundo:

Captain Caveman 76:
Just like satellites aren’t real either?

At the present time of typing there are 22 non existant satellites showing up as visible to my drones GPS reciever and 18 in the van satnav. :open_mouth:

MM if you say so.
What a joke.

dowahdiddyman:
Saw one a few years ago on the M25 heading clockwise around j22. Wondered what they were carrying.

Nothing as with most “military” vehicles.
Keep the unemployable “employed”

mrcreosote90:
Thing with Korea is to make one viable warhead to sticky tape to a large fire work isn’t all that expensive , but to build a fleet of warheads with multiple independent targeted warheads with decoy re entry rounds capable of multiple megaton settings mounted on a dependable platform such as trident does cost billions and yet when we tested one not long back it misfired and had to have its range safety package activated by the Rso if Korea was mad enough to lob a bucket of instant sunshine at the yanks it would be intercepted I don’t know if they Nike missile system is still active or if it’s all patriot mobile kit now but the Americans wouldn’t retaliate with nuclear weapons incase the Russians kept up with the mutually assured destruction crap then we would have to launch ours too, likely out come is kimmie launches gets swatted the Americans send all the b52s b1bs to carpet bomb him from north to South

And you believe that this ■■■■ is real?
A “man” with his finger on the “button” can destroy this planet?
How simple are you?

Captain Caveman 76:

Bking:

Stresshead:
If the prime movers were green, they carry either the missle or the warhead, never both, so no danger of a chain reaction.

If the prime mover was blue, and was an old foden, then you have the plutonium Being moved.

Why carry Plutonium these are hydrogen bombs or are we going to fry Hiroshima again?
A uranium bomb is enough to set off a thermonuclear weapon dont need none of that dirty plutonium crap.
After all we all want to live in a nice clean world after a good old global thermonuclear war dont we?
Who needs a half life of 2.4 million years when uranium decays in half the time?
Thats why they keep over a hundred tons (and growing every day) at Windscale at a cost of a million a day because nobody wants or needs the crap.

From an engineering perspective, there is not a major difference between Plutonium and Uranium weapons. They can both be used in different configurations, and both require roughly the same masses to become supercritical (ie, they use roughly the same amount of metal). From the “weapon” perspective (ie, “The boom”) Plutonium and Uranium are functionally the same.

Most US weapons are Plutonium based. Plutonium has favorable nuclear characteristics as compared with Uranium (namely: it has a broader neutron cross section - if that means anything to you (I will explain in a bit) - and it releases a slightly larger amount of energy per fission event.

Fission is the word used to describe what happens when an atom’s nucleus’s binding energy is broken and released into the surrounding environment. The “binding energy” is the effect of the residual strong force that keeps the same-charged positive protons stuck together, even though their electric charge wants to push them apart. This energy can become unstable/unbalanced, and when it does atoms become radioactive. If the instability is large enough, the nucleus can collapse into a fission event, which cleaves the atom into two or more pieces, and the binding energy is released in the form of heat and the motion of the fragments of the nucleus.

The way that we ‘trigger’ this fission event (for weapons and power) is to rapidly ramp up the instability by injecting neutrons into the nucleus of the atom. There are some atoms that, when we shoot neutrons, the binding energy always collapses. These are called “fissile isotopes.”

There are three major fissile isotopes: Uranium 235 (used in the Hiroshima bomb, and almost all nuclear power reactors); Uranium 233 (used in Thorium reactors, but basically never in weapons); and Plutonium 239. These are the “major” isotopes because they are the easiest to find. Uranium 235 is naturally occurring - 0.7% of all uranium metal on the Earth is the 235 isotope, so all we need to do is dig up some Uranium from the ground.

Plutonium and Uranium 233 (heretofore 233) are both ‘synthetic’ elements. They don’t occur naturally in any appreciable quantity - they have to be manufactured. This is done in exactly the way that we trigger fission - we shoot neutrons at a metal, and effectively “transmute” it from its current state into what we want it to be. The metal of choice for 233 is Thorium 232, and the metal of choice for Plutonium is raw Uranium (238). We expose the metal to a lot of neutrons, and it slowly becomes the isotope we desire by absorbing neutrons.

It turns out that it’s much easier to make Plutonium than it is to separate natural Uranium into 235 and its other isotopes. So that’s one reason that we use Plutonium in weapons.

Now, regarding the “cross section” - as you’ve probably heard, most of an atom is empty space. Because of the binding energy of the nucleus, however, the nucleus of some elements appears to be a larger ‘target’ than that of others. This is a favorable characteristic, because in a nuclear weapon the whole idea is that we want as many fission events to happen as quickly as possible. Since the fission event is triggered by a neutron hitting a nucleus, making the nucleus a bigger target works to our advantage.

As an interesting side-note, the first nuclear weapons used Uranium. This is because Plutonium had to be made rather than simply dug up and separated chemically - and to “make” plutonium you need neutrons. By far and away the best (and only realistic) source of neutrons is a fission reaction - which means that before you could even consider Plutonium, you needed to enrich some Uranium. It wasn’t a chicken-and-the-egg at all, Uranium had to come first.

In summary:

Modern nuclear weapons almost always use Plutonium.
Plutonium is used because it has favorable weapons characteristics (it’s easier to get it to go ‘boom’)
Plutonium is also used because it’s easier to make than weapons-grade uranium.

Thermonuclear (Hydrogen) bombs start with the same fission reaction that powers atomic bombs — but the majority of the uranium or plutonium in atomic bombs actually goes unused. In a thermonuclear bomb, an additional step means that more of the bomb’s explosive power becomes available. Bigger boom = better bomb.

First, an igniting explosion compresses a sphere of plutonium-239, the material that will then undergo fission. Inside this pit of plutonium-239 is a chamber of hydrogen gas. The high temperatures and pressures created by the plutonium-239 fission cause the hydrogen atoms to fuse. This fusion process releases neutrons, which feed back into the plutonium-239, splitting more atoms and boosting the fission chain reaction.

Sorry, I thought you’d asked!

And you believe this ■■■■■■?

Olog Hai:

nsmith1180:
You only ever seem to post complete bolox, deliberately trying to start an argument. Every weekend you are on here taking a deliberatly contrary position or commenting on a subject line without reading the topic. It just makes you look like an idiot.

Bking has a well-won reputation on here, but what he has to say about nuclear weapons in this thread suggests that he suffers from some kind of mental ailment. I cannot grasp how a normally-functioning human being could hold some of the opinions that he does. It’s way outside even Carryfast and Winseer territory.

You want to have a brain programmed by the BBC thats your problem ■■■■ but some of us have an ability to think for ourselves.
A heretic thought to folk like you but what the hell.Just call me a rebel.

Bking:

Captain Caveman 76:

Bking:

Stresshead:
If the prime movers were green, they carry either the missle or the warhead, never both, so no danger of a chain reaction.

If the prime mover was blue, and was an old foden, then you have the plutonium Being moved.

Why carry Plutonium these are hydrogen bombs or are we going to fry Hiroshima again?
A uranium bomb is enough to set off a thermonuclear weapon dont need none of that dirty plutonium crap.
After all we all want to live in a nice clean world after a good old global thermonuclear war dont we?
Who needs a half life of 2.4 million years when uranium decays in half the time?
Thats why they keep over a hundred tons (and growing every day) at Windscale at a cost of a million a day because nobody wants or needs the crap.

From an engineering perspective, there is not a major difference between Plutonium and Uranium weapons. They can both be used in different configurations, and both require roughly the same masses to become supercritical (ie, they use roughly the same amount of metal). From the “weapon” perspective (ie, “The boom”) Plutonium and Uranium are functionally the same.

Most US weapons are Plutonium based. Plutonium has favorable nuclear characteristics as compared with Uranium (namely: it has a broader neutron cross section - if that means anything to you (I will explain in a bit) - and it releases a slightly larger amount of energy per fission event.

Fission is the word used to describe what happens when an atom’s nucleus’s binding energy is broken and released into the surrounding environment. The “binding energy” is the effect of the residual strong force that keeps the same-charged positive protons stuck together, even though their electric charge wants to push them apart. This energy can become unstable/unbalanced, and when it does atoms become radioactive. If the instability is large enough, the nucleus can collapse into a fission event, which cleaves the atom into two or more pieces, and the binding energy is released in the form of heat and the motion of the fragments of the nucleus.

The way that we ‘trigger’ this fission event (for weapons and power) is to rapidly ramp up the instability by injecting neutrons into the nucleus of the atom. There are some atoms that, when we shoot neutrons, the binding energy always collapses. These are called “fissile isotopes.”

There are three major fissile isotopes: Uranium 235 (used in the Hiroshima bomb, and almost all nuclear power reactors); Uranium 233 (used in Thorium reactors, but basically never in weapons); and Plutonium 239. These are the “major” isotopes because they are the easiest to find. Uranium 235 is naturally occurring - 0.7% of all uranium metal on the Earth is the 235 isotope, so all we need to do is dig up some Uranium from the ground.

Plutonium and Uranium 233 (heretofore 233) are both ‘synthetic’ elements. They don’t occur naturally in any appreciable quantity - they have to be manufactured. This is done in exactly the way that we trigger fission - we shoot neutrons at a metal, and effectively “transmute” it from its current state into what we want it to be. The metal of choice for 233 is Thorium 232, and the metal of choice for Plutonium is raw Uranium (238). We expose the metal to a lot of neutrons, and it slowly becomes the isotope we desire by absorbing neutrons.

It turns out that it’s much easier to make Plutonium than it is to separate natural Uranium into 235 and its other isotopes. So that’s one reason that we use Plutonium in weapons.

Now, regarding the “cross section” - as you’ve probably heard, most of an atom is empty space. Because of the binding energy of the nucleus, however, the nucleus of some elements appears to be a larger ‘target’ than that of others. This is a favorable characteristic, because in a nuclear weapon the whole idea is that we want as many fission events to happen as quickly as possible. Since the fission event is triggered by a neutron hitting a nucleus, making the nucleus a bigger target works to our advantage.

As an interesting side-note, the first nuclear weapons used Uranium. This is because Plutonium had to be made rather than simply dug up and separated chemically - and to “make” plutonium you need neutrons. By far and away the best (and only realistic) source of neutrons is a fission reaction - which means that before you could even consider Plutonium, you needed to enrich some Uranium. It wasn’t a chicken-and-the-egg at all, Uranium had to come first.

In summary:

Modern nuclear weapons almost always use Plutonium.
Plutonium is used because it has favorable weapons characteristics (it’s easier to get it to go ‘boom’)
Plutonium is also used because it’s easier to make than weapons-grade uranium.

Thermonuclear (Hydrogen) bombs start with the same fission reaction that powers atomic bombs — but the majority of the uranium or plutonium in atomic bombs actually goes unused. In a thermonuclear bomb, an additional step means that more of the bomb’s explosive power becomes available. Bigger boom = better bomb.

First, an igniting explosion compresses a sphere of plutonium-239, the material that will then undergo fission. Inside this pit of plutonium-239 is a chamber of hydrogen gas. The high temperatures and pressures created by the plutonium-239 fission cause the hydrogen atoms to fuse. This fusion process releases neutrons, which feed back into the plutonium-239, splitting more atoms and boosting the fission chain reaction.

Sorry, I thought you’d asked!

And you believe this [zb]■■?

In a “nuclear” reactor you need a moderator to slow down neutrons eg heavy water or graphite to allow the spliting of the donor nucleus for the chain reaction to be initiated
How come they do not need a moderator in an atomic bomb?
And Im not on about Boron control rods that absorb neutrons to keep the reactor “stable” they need a medium that slows neutrons to allow them to split the nucleus to initiate a controlled fission decay.No moderator no chain reaction.Where is the moderator in an atom bomb?
Also how much “yield” can be gained from the binding force of at most ten grammes of tritium/deuterium into Helium 4.To even bring this down to 5 megatonne is a load of tripe.

Bking:

chris140472:
Presents for President Assad?

Just hope there aint one for you! 3 times the heat of the core of the sun for a microsecond.
Problem is the sun is 93 million miles away not 5000 ft above your loved ones!
People mistake “atomic” bombs eg nagasaki with hydrogen bombs.
Like comparing a mule cart with a high speed train X10

Not even a shadow on the ground left to say goodbye to!
Nobody deserves that.

Bking:
Yep and they are full of nothing,cos “nukes” are another fantasy.
Load of crap invented by the powers that be.
Show me a nuke and I will show my ■■■ in Burtons window.
These “weapons of mass deception” been around for 70 years and yet not one has gone off by mistake,not one low yield battlefield “nuke” has been used,Not one proof of existance of these super “bombs”
You watch the crap of cars,trucks,buildings,forests being blown out of existence by these “nukes” and yet the camera filming this garbage never moves.How ?
Just another [zb] con .

Make up your mind man! Are they real or aren’t they?

Bking:
Just call me a rebel.

“Rebel” really isn’t the first word that springs to mind

As I said…Don’t you just love him. :laughing: :laughing:

Bking:

mrcreosote90:
Thing with Korea is to make one viable warhead to sticky tape to a large fire work isn’t all that expensive , but to build a fleet of warheads with multiple independent targeted warheads with decoy re entry rounds capable of multiple megaton settings mounted on a dependable platform such as trident does cost billions and yet when we tested one not long back it misfired and had to have its range safety package activated by the Rso if Korea was mad enough to lob a bucket of instant sunshine at the yanks it would be intercepted I don’t know if they Nike missile system is still active or if it’s all patriot mobile kit now but the Americans wouldn’t retaliate with nuclear weapons incase the Russians kept up with the mutually assured destruction crap then we would have to launch ours too, likely out come is kimmie launches gets swatted the Americans send all the b52s b1bs to carpet bomb him from north to South

And you believe that this [zb] is real?
A “man” with his finger on the “button” can destroy this planet?
How simple are you?

nuclear devices can’t destroy the planet but they can make a slight dent in it !

Remember the “neutron” bomb that was supposed to explode 5000 meters up and destroy all life but keep the infrastucture in place.
The “invading” army could then move in use the housing,roads,trains,trucks etc etc etc because there was no radiation or damage.
Another load of old codswallop that was told to the people as fact when in reality it was the biggest load of propaganda ■■■■■ you ever heard.
Then we had “red dust” that increased the yield of a nuclear “device” by 300%.That also disappeared down the toilet of crap as well.
Then we had the Soviet “suitcase” bombs,Never has such a load of crap been transmitted by the British ■■■■■■■■ Corporation before or since.
And this “garbage” between America and “north korea” will amount to sod all.
They cant “launch” a nuclear war because they dont have them and a “solution” will be found.
After all we cannot expose this “nuclear” garbage for what it really is.
Just pure scare mongering ■■■■■■■■.

Bking:
In a “nuclear” reactor you need a moderator to slow down neutrons eg heavy water or graphite to allow the spliting of the donor nucleus for the chain reaction to be initiated
How come they do not need a moderator in an atomic bomb?
And Im not on about Boron control rods that absorb neutrons to keep the reactor “stable” they need a medium that slows neutrons to allow them to split the nucleus to initiate a controlled fission decay.No moderator no chain reaction.Where is the moderator in an atom bomb?
Also how much “yield” can be gained from the binding force of at most ten grammes of tritium/deuterium into Helium 4.To even bring this down to 5 megatonne is a load of tripe.

Considering what you’ve typed, I suspect you know the answer to this already. But here goes.

Moderators were initially used in explosive devices, primarily to reduce the amount of fissile material needed to reach criticality. Slowing down fast neutrons increases the cross section for neutron absorption, reducing the critical mass. Unfortunately however, as the chain reaction progresses, the moderator heats up, thereby losing its ability to cool the neutrons.

Moderation also increases the time between further neutron generation. This slows down the reaction. Because of this, containing the explosion becomes a problem since the inertia used to confine implosion type bombs can’t contain the reaction. Ergo, more pop than bang! Effectively reducing your nuke to the power of a chemical explosion of similar mass.

On a side note, I believe that some nuclear reactors actually use fast fission (no moderators) because of their higher neutron economy. They do however need the fuel source to be much more enriched.

Allegedly.