jase:
Brit pete arn’t you being slightly hipocritical here as without oil you wouldn’t be in a job,i’m sure Shell had to pay for that oil rig a few years ago to be broken up after towing it around the world.
As for Shell good luck to them after all they have to do the exploration for oil etc,its only Gorden Brown and Alistair darling who make the stuff expensive with their high taxes.
and there are more posts out there ,yes without oil
i and many others would be in a quandry but for
how long as the know how is out there for other
ways to propel transport and weare and will be
moveing more and more away from oil as the
costs rise ,and other fuels are wider spread
and cheaper and more efficent,HOWEVER
until this happen yes the oil companys
stay on top,but they need to address
pollution problems in a wider and better
managed way,with the priority being
NO POLLUTION whereever they are
working in the WORLD,SO from
the profits they should repair
and restore areas which they have
polluted and improve their working
methods so that pollution becomes
a zero problem,
brit pete:
with the priority being
NO POLLUTION whereever they are
working in the WORLD,SO from
the profits they should repair
and restore areas which they have
polluted and improve their working
methods so that pollution becomes
a zero problem,
Ha ha! That is just funny!
Pete, please stop listening to everything you hear on the news.
Sadly back in my days as a student I did a study into the ecological impact of surveying for fuels.
Companies like BP, Shell etc put more money into “cleanup” than 50% of all the worlds companies put together! they have to or the governments would put so many restrictions on them they wouldn’t be able to operate.
The big problem in this world is the shipping companies, global shipping produces the most amount of harmful pollution by a staggering amount. Using masses of fuel oil to drive huge engines and generators, the biggest risk of spills, and bilge pumps dropping up to 1000 gallons of toxins into the sea per day, per ship.
Who are we to comment? we drag around huge amounts of produce, powered by diesel engines of up to (and these days) over 600hp and 3000nm of torque.
AS A TRUCK DRIVER cleaning up pollution
is quite simply not my priority, if it was then I’d expect them to reduce the amount of global shipping, and the amount of lorries on the road, both of which might put me out of work any second.
But I digress, please understand it isn’t the oil companies that are doing the bad here, if they didn’t invest what they did in cleanup we’d be a massive mess, and it also isn’t them that is forcing fuel prices up.
Who’d ever have thunk a degree in ecological science could come in useful on a truckers forum … anyone got any subjects for one in aerodynamics and avionics…anyone!?
The amount of profit alone is meaning less, it depends what percentage of turnover that is. If they turnover a million, trillion pounds then 13 billion isn’t that much profit to make. Most of the furore is just head line grabbing because ordinary people don’t deal with those sorts of sums regularly. The oil will run out eventually and if Shell and companies like them don’t invest a lot of those 13 billions each year in to the production of a Hydrogen market place then we and they will be stuffed.
Longwayround:
Shell/Motiva have already laid off most of their drivers here in the US. Their petrol is always the most expensive and they force their station operators to buy more product than they can sell,through there centralized (HoustonTX) order management system.Beats me how they stay in business? Let alone extrude a massive profit.Though some of it must come from things like plastics,fertilizer etc.
How can they, “force their station operators to buy more product than they can sell” ?
All the fuel supplied to a station has to go into storage tanks, between delivery and sale. There is a limited volume available in those storage tanks.
After a few deliveries of “more than they can sell”, the tanks will be full to the brim.
Anything delivered after that can only possibly be “the amount of product sold”, unless they allow it to run down the forecourt drains.
What I mean is if a station sells fuel at a ratio of 6 liters of regular to 1 liter of premium and the tanks are all say 80,000 liter tanks then Shell (order management) would fill up the premium tank and take the money out of the station operators account causing him to sit on product that he doesn’t need,while they had his money ■■■■■■■,instead of shipping him what he might actually use .When I did fuel deliveries it was a constant complaint."Why did you bring me so much premium"etc.
I wonder if we are looking at this from the wrong way ,
maybe shell isnt making as much money from fuel BUT making it from the retail side ?
Sandwichs/soft drinks/cigs etc ■■?
our work does a lot of delliverys to fuel stations (not shell) and they wont touch anything thats price marked as they cant rip (EH CHARGE) people as much
remember reading an article post 80s recession about the cost of a driling rig in the norht sea per day pre recession it was £100000 a day during the recession it was £10000 as most oil companies hire these rigs from contractors whos profiteering shell bp and the rest have learned from things like this streamlined and yes they make money .little things like the iraq debacle and russia threatning to cut off the gas to europe does help them
Fallmonk:
I wonder if we are looking at this from the wrong way ,
maybe shell isnt making as much money from fuel BUT making it from the retail side ?
Sandwichs/soft drinks/cigs etc ■■?
our work does a lot of delliverys to fuel stations (not shell) and they wont touch anything thats price marked as they cant rip (EH CHARGE) people as much
Shell makes the vast majority of it’s profit from pumping oil out of the ground and selling it. They don’t make the price, the market does that and as there is more demand than supply the price goes up.
Shell, and everyone else, makes very little from forecourts, (why do people think independant garages are shutting) the margin on petrol/diesel at the forecourt is very small, about 7%, and out of this has to come all the costs of running the filling station. The profit margin on drinks/sarnies etc is much higher, but smaller by volume.
The other factor to consider is that again Shell. and BP, make the vast proportion of their profits outside the UK, they are global players and the UK isn’t that big a market compared to the rest of the world.
A windfall tax would simply ensure they move more jobs and pay taxes abroad
… anyone got any subjects for one in aerodynamics and avionics…anyone!?
Let alone extrude a massive profit.Though some of it must come from things like plastics,fertilizer etc.
