Confirmed what I already knew

Caerleon:

old 67:

Caerleon:
I am going to say something very controversial now!

Get the RHA to create a drivers union, appoint Bob Crow to lead it, and every UK driver register, in a few year’s time you will all be on >65K a year!

Did Bob Crow not pass away a good few years ago?

Regards John.

I wasn’t aware, but plenty of people like him out there to take up the challenge, maybe we should petition Boris to appoint Luke Vernon and Bertie to be joint Transport Ministers? Porkchop and Bacon sales increase = buying British = Happy and Wealthy nation!

It’s good to love the job you have, but an insult not to pay you for what you are worth!

Died suddenly, like John Smith when he was leader of the Labour opposition back in 1994…

Fozzer:

eagerbeaver:
Another nail in the coffin mate is this business of getting rid of your in house fleet & getting the big logistika mobs to do your transport for you. The likes of Iceland, Walkers crisps etc don’t do it themselves anymore and as the drivers get older & retire or get sacked/leave/die, they just get replaced with more XPO/Stobartski/Wincan’t etc.

These great jobs are simply dying out. The days of Mon-Fri 40 hr contracts for £30k are in their final furlong :frowning:

I’ve heard that Howden’s pay well though. Again and again and…

That’s every trade though mate. There isn’t a brickie, plasterer, plumber, computer coder, supermarket worker and an awful lot of mid- rank white collar workers who are not earning as much as they were 10years ago. And it’s very subjective; I had 1k bank holiday weekends working in the print, but you always feel like you missed out on the big time, as you think that everyone was earning more a generation ago. Maybe they were, the reality is lads in a generation time will look back in astonishment at current overtime rates. That’s the way it is.
Every industry is going through the same cycle of: merge, pump up the books, skim a bit off the workers, pull a big turn-over related salary for the top tier - sell and repeat…

One day the insurers of “little experience six-points OK” drivers - will rumble that they are taking the risks with entire fleets that are getting smashed up by that point, in a rather too regular fashion. .
Maybe when that day comes - the clean licenced look-after-the-kit driver will have a heyday once more…
It isn’t the jobs that are dying out - there’s more work for truckers in the past five years than ever, even more once Brexit is finally completed…
It is the Fair and decent contract that is dying the death. :frowning:

dozy:
I walked through my door at 18.00 Friday night ( after refusing to drive from Andover - Cannock to pick a load up )

That’s what not even 3 hours?
I really do think you need to work on your time management…
I managed to do Bristol - Lutterworth - Grantham - Stroud - Bristol in 12 hours the other week…

Caerleon:

old 67:

Caerleon:
I am going to say something very controversial now!

Get the RHA to create a drivers union, appoint Bob Crow to lead it, and every UK driver register, in a few year’s time you will all be on >65K a year!

Did Bob Crow not pass away a good few years ago?

Regards John.

I wasn’t aware, but plenty of people like him out there to take up the challenge, maybe we should petition Boris to appoint Luke Vernon and Bertie to be joint Transport Ministers? Porkchop and Bacon sales increase = buying British = Happy and Wealthy nation!

It’s good to love the job you have, but an insult not to pay you for what you are worth!

Why thank you for your faith in me and the yellow one! I’ll tweet Boris now. Not holding out much hope though since I’ve been a bit rude about him and his shambolic government recently! :smiley:

DAF95XF:

dozy:
I walked through my door at 18.00 Friday night ( after refusing to drive from Andover - Cannock to pick a load up )

That’s what not even 3 hours?
I really do think you need to work on your time management…
I managed to do Bristol - Lutterworth - Grantham - Stroud - Bristol in 12 hours the other week…

To be fair we don’t know what he’d done before it. :laughing:

Feltham, Bristol, Feltham, Bristol, Feltham 45 minute break well under 12 hours. :wink:

robroy:
That this job is crap. :laughing:

I usually do a 4 day week with a 3 day weekend, but the other week I was asked if I fancied a full week seeing as they were busy.
The Mrs was working all week, mates were all working, drinking partner was abroad, so thought …Aye why not.
Did 2 runs down to Devon and surrounding counties and back, varied number of drops on each with a back load up Scotch in between, 6 days/5nts out…all done legal.
But everything that could go wrong did, so ended up virtually maxing out, (or near enough so), got up to about 73 ish hours I think it was?.. including a long day Saturday as I only got back as far as Yeovil on Friday night. :unamused:

Anyhoo …was sat last night talking to my 2 lads, who commented I’d been away all week, and that is how it always was when they were kids :frowning: so we got talking about how much a driver can make in comparison to the motor trade they are both in.
I worked my pay out roughly, and it came to about 810 or so quid top line…(not including the 5 nights out obviously btw, as I never count my subsistence/exs as actual ‘pay’ as such…in fact I look upon n/o ex as paying for my tax and n.i. and a bit of beer money :bulb: , that makes me feel better about it :smiley: )

(Also it incidentally dawned on me I earned relatively more 12 yrs ago doing Euro tramping :cry: )

Asked both my lads how much their pay would be in comparison doing same hours.
One was in excess of £1100 other one was in excess £1400…both flat rates excluding bonuses and sundries btw.

Ok they both have skilled jobs, one is a garage service manager, the other a spray painter, and in their trades they would not work so [zb] ridiculous hours, …but you get my drift.
Stupid hours, the top line figure Is ok to have, but ceases to be when you work out what you have done to earn it.

Bring on the ‘Do something else if you don’t like it’…I get that, but I am just making a point as to how things are in road transport in comparison to other trades, that probably cost the employee much less to actually go in to, so don’t give me the patronising lectures…pleeease. :unamused:
More so… please dont the deluded clowns on here who usually come on and tell us they are on ‘good money’ and who automatically spew out the old ‘Nature of the job/the way it’s ALWAYS been’ chestnut, cos you’re wrong. :bulb:
When I started (in the dark ages :smiley: ) when drivers had backbone and fought for half decent t.s and c.s, I was doing max 12.5 hour spreadover, and on time plus a half after 40 hours.
So my point is, if those t.s and c.s had not been handed back by cabbage drivers in favour of same rate right through, and we were all on time and a half after 40 hours…on my 73 hours, it would be (once again) a half decent job to do.

So verdict from me…job is crap/should be a lot better/but never will be unfortunately…unless maybe you are lucky enough to work for a good firm who values you, Union firm an/or Own account outfit that is. :bulb: …I dont qualify for any of those 3 :frowning: :smiley:
I feel much better after that belly aching moan. :laughing:

I don’t know why you whine, other members miss the steak on a Friday every week… on a serious note, if a driver is young and single, working away all week is no issue… especially, if living at home … can save for a home fast etc , good car not on HP … you gotta do what you gotta do… personally not for me, but if I had to do it to put money on the table to keep a home over my head I would do it tomorrow. One perk you get is seeing the wonderful views. But miss out on family growing up.

switchlogic:

Caerleon:

old 67:

Caerleon:
I am going to say something very controversial now!

Get the RHA to create a drivers union, appoint Bob Crow to lead it, and every UK driver register, in a few year’s time you will all be on >65K a year!

Did Bob Crow not pass away a good few years ago?

Regards John.

I wasn’t aware, but plenty of people like him out there to take up the challenge, maybe we should petition Boris to appoint Luke Vernon and Bertie to be joint Transport Ministers? Porkchop and Bacon sales increase = buying British = Happy and Wealthy nation!

It’s good to love the job you have, but an insult not to pay you for what you are worth!

Why thank you for your faith in me and the yellow one! I’ll tweet Boris now. Not holding out much hope though since I’ve been a bit rude about him and his shambolic government recently! :smiley:

You’ll get my vote too!
You can be spokesman because of your YouTube experience, and let Bertie do the thinking as he has more brain cells than Boris. Double winner!

Winseer:
One day the insurers of “little experience six-points OK” drivers - will rumble that they are taking the risks with entire fleets that are getting smashed up by that point, in a rather too regular fashion. .

You really…

Don’t think that insurers are losing money do you?

They’re well aware of Nigel Ninepoints and his mate Steven Sixpoints and they’ll price the premiums accordingly.

Insurance company losing money… not gonna happen.

Franglais:
You’ll get my vote too!
You can be spokesman because of your YouTube experience, and let Bertie do the thinking as he has more brain cells than Boris. Double winner!

Great let’s go! EDIT. BERTIE has always been the brains of the operation, he’s basically my handler! He’s also a hell of a lot smarter than scruff bag Boris

Well driving for a living is a piece of cake compared to working an actual trade :unamused:

Great let’s go! Boris has always been the brains of the operation, he’s basically my handler! He’s also a hell of a lot smarter than scruff bag Boris

you might want to edit the above switch… :smiley:

m.a.n rules:
Great let’s go! Boris has always been the brains of the operation, he’s basically my handler! He’s also a hell of a lot smarter than scruff bag Boris

you might want to edit the above switch… :smiley:

I love how that post basically confirmed what I was saying! Best hand phone to Bertie before I embarrass myself further

milodon:
Well driving for a living is a piece of cake compared to working an actual trade :unamused:

Rolling eyes? :neutral_face:
Nobody said it wasn’t, just cause it’s relatively easy is irrelevant really, there’s no connection or correlation between how hard work something is, with how much you are paid, otherwise builders labourers would be on more than solicitors and most civil servants.
Just saying.

I still fail to see why driving should be paid better than skilled labor.

milodon:
I still fail to see why driving should be paid better than skilled labor.

Simple because of the inconvenience and unknown an example is like some of these trades men turn in to pumpkins if they’re not back on time :laughing:

milodon:
I still fail to see why driving should be paid better than skilled labor.

You seem to be having a ■■■■ good argument with yourself mate. :smiley:
Again…nobody said it should. :neutral_face:

Of course the example I gave of my own two lads who have both went to college and done an apprenticeship should be paid more than me, (a low life driver I think is the common consensus) I get and accept that…but why should transport drivers not be on a decent pay STRUCTURE as they once were (as I said in o/p) a decent rate for the excessive overtime hours after 8 hours that we are expected to work as a matter of routine…or at the very least a better hourly rate if the crap firms (such as mine) still insist on paying the same rate right through.
Hope that clarifies my point this time.

milodon:
I still fail to see why driving should be paid better than skilled labor.

You demean those drivers who take a pride in their work and are skilled at their job, all trades have hangers on bodgers and cowboys, in lorry world we have wheel attendants who have not the slightest interest in upping their game.

Skilled careful productive efficient drivers deserve good pay, just like their equivalents in the trades earn.

And yes, lorry driving as a whole can be a skilled occupation, sadly just like other trades there’s a large number of numbskulls have got into the game who really shouldn’t be there, sadly too many operators are clueless as the difference between a lorry driver and a steering wheel operative so resort to the typical modern management response of one size fits all stylee based on the lowest common denominator, they deskill the job to idiot level and haven’t a clue why they attract idiots whilst the remaining good drivers gradually get poached by more enlightened companies who welcome them with open arms and offer proper Ts and Cs.

This is one aspect i’ve been banging on about for years, too many drivers welcomed the job being made easy peasy, back when the job involved some graft muck hardship and nous it kept the numbers prepared to do it down, supply and demand did the rest.
This is why the specialist sides of transport still pay better overall.

Isn’t the main argument about having a “trade” always been about shortage of labour in certain areas?

Younger people have not been training up since the 90’s, with Blair shifting the course of this country so that all younger shortages of labour - got replaced by mainly Eastern European talent coming in.

Here we are more than two decades on, and those first generation of EEs that settled here, may have since had families of their own, their kids taught WHAT exactly in schools these days since?

If you’ve got a English Dad and Polish Mom, or Romanian Dad and English Mom - then how did you, the generation born SINCE 1997 - get on with the world of work?

Leaving the EU - merely turns off the taps for older talent carrying on coming here. It doesn’t change that permanent shift in the UK culture fabric that happens from time to time throughout British History.

We had a lot of North Americans settle over here after WWII for instance, Indians come here during the “British India” times, West Indians during the post-war years, and going back further - even German high talent like Hershel and Handel when our monarchy got “donated” to the House of Hannover on the death of Stuart Queen Anne.

It is very “British” of us then, I suggest - for us all to end up “Mixing and Matching”, not necessarily in our relationships, but at very least at the places we frequent.
Who on here has never been to a Corner Shop, a sit-down Restaurant, a London Market, or had some building work done by an actual company with premises that you can walk into?

Meanwhile, we ■■■■■■■■ Brits - have been walking backwards. The so-called “Little Britain” culture in my experience is more like what we might once have called the “Brudder” culture, since I cannot name it directly on here, Political Correctness being what it is.

Thus, we Brits didn’t really have a culture worth saving in the FIRST place - didn’t we?

There will be those that will never forgive Blair for what he’s done to our once-great nation, and there will be others who’ll not forgive Boris for what he’s doing right now, along the same lines.

Forced integration with Europe even as we leave the EU - will supress wages, heighten tensions, and divide poltics for years to come.
The only force that could ever truly “Unify” this country - would be the same one that destroyed the Empire - an all out Major War, not necessarily WWIII.

Winseer:
Isn’t the main argument about having a “trade” always been about shortage of labour in certain areas?

Younger people have not been training up since the 90’s, with Blair shifting the course of this country so that all younger shortages of labour - got replaced by mainly Eastern European talent coming in.

I best let my qualified mechanic brother know he’s Polish now

switchlogic:

Winseer:
Isn’t the main argument about having a “trade” always been about shortage of labour in certain areas?

Younger people have not been training up since the 90’s, with Blair shifting the course of this country so that all younger shortages of labour - got replaced by mainly Eastern European talent coming in.

I best let my qualified mechanic brother know he’s Polish now

you best leave it to your mom and dad luke, it may come as a shock that he’s adopted after all these years… :wink: