Comes down to common sense and courtesy versus proportionate urgency. Essentially, adult descision making.
That doesn’t happen these days…
pierrot 14:
But by the sound of the OP it seems he was on a daily break.
It was a 45, at which no point did Rush-nels turn up.
Nobody complained to the office, just driver chat. I always stop when I get to 4 hours, that’s close enough. Why the need to wring every last minute out of your time when you don’t need to?
I’d also move the cones that salmonella vans leave behind, too. They might pay to sell their stale rolls in the layby but they don’t own the place.
Ah, Tuffnells. They leave a drag (as in trailer not Lily Savage) in a layby near Earthline everyday but the driver always leaves it at the entrance, then usually cones off. Doesn’t bother me in this case as my yard is only a mile away but it does ■■■■ off the tipper drivers when the quarry is busy and all the laybys in the area fill up. The layby was much larger but the council decided there wasn’t enough demand for wooden toadstools and lucky heather so it was closed off.
As for the cones left behind, thankyou Drive; They make great fire lighters if you stuff an oily rag in the top once placed on the rubbish pile. They also make a cheaper alternative to the ones grab drivers forget to pick up. 
More Ale:
I’d also move the cones that salmonella vans leave behind, too. They might pay to sell their stale rolls in the layby but they don’t own the place.
Youre right they dont own the place and quite within your rights to remove them…however…its just down to a little common courtesy. Food vans are not always the best but these guys provide a service even if it is just a quick cup of tea (i do my own food/drink but many dont) and like everyone are only trying to put a crust on the table…
Londontrucker123:
Wagon & Drag clearly unsuitable for part of the job, so it was dumped for a bit. If it was a one-off maybe, but if it’s a regular thing then as above, ■■■■ poor planning - shock horror.
I expect Chris 1207 would say that is exactly the sort of job a wagonndrag is for. A job where an artic is too large for access, but the company moves out a full load with one prime mover and driver rather than on two rigids?
Moving cones to take a 45, if youre staying with vehicle is, Id say fine.
Needing a place for the night? Awkward. If Id passed a couple of already full lay-bys, close on my time, and knowing there was unlikely to be any more nearby. . . well, Chris may come along in a bit and have to have ask me to move. For a little shunt out of his way Id do it. If he showed up hours later I may not be as friendly.
I do get upset with some parking antics in France. Especially those who do trailer swops in the Centre Routiers, using parking for swopping, not using the Restaurant there but taking space from those who do wish to eat there. It was/is a big problem in Reims, and elsewhere.
For those who don`t know the parking is free, provided by the local Chambre of Commerce, and there is often a Restaurant there. The restauranter pays rent on building to C of C. They need bums on seats to keep going, we want the good food, showers etc, but those who park ONLY for swops or those who are long term parking waiting for a back load are killing it. As it is a service for all it is not possible to move these “blockers” on, but they are a problem. Privte Restos will of couse move these mon from private land. End of diversion.
Once upon a time when drivers had a bit of empathy for each other both in road conditions and the trials and tribulations of the job in general these whinges never happened.
It maybe a bit cheeky putting cones out but that’s more for cars and vans rather than a fellow pro driver who back in the day if parked in front of your trailer would be more than happy to move. In fact one could consider he or she was reserving your spot.
Dashcams, ■■■■ poor training criteria, dumbing down etc just make threads like this more common.
Standards are slipping off the proverbial cliff.
Franglais:
I do get upset with some parking antics in France. Especially those who do trailer swops in the Centre Routiers, using parking for swopping, not using the Restaurant there but taking space from those who do wish to eat there. It was/is a big problem in Reims, and elsewhere.
For those who don`t know the parking is free, provided by the local Chambre of Commerce, and there is often a Restaurant there. The restauranter pays rent on building to C of C. They need bums on seats to keep going, we want the good food, showers etc, but those who park ONLY for swops or those who are long term parking waiting for a back load are killing it.
Totally agree ref Reims. We use a yard there for drop/swops and the place is always rammed, you get free use of the showers/ canteen/ rest room ect which is good but any more than an hour and other hauliers (doesnt affect us as we effectively work for the same co. in Malaga) are asked to park elsewhere if waiting for a backload as more often than not there just isnt enough space, guess where they end up…not always the drivers fault but as you say not the problem of the restauranteur either…
Dipper_Dave:
Once upon a time when drivers had a bit of empathy for each other both in road conditions and the trials and tribulations of the job in general these whinges never happened.It maybe a bit cheeky putting cones out but that’s more for cars and vans rather than a fellow pro driver who back in the day if parked in front of your trailer would be more than happy to move. In fact one could consider he or she was reserving your spot.
Dashcams, ■■■■ poor training criteria, dumbing down etc just make threads like this more common.
Standards are slipping off the proverbial cliff.
Couldn’t agree more with all of that mate.
Franglais:
Londontrucker123:
Wagon & Drag clearly unsuitable for part of the job, so it was dumped for a bit. If it was a one-off maybe, but if it’s a regular thing then as above, ■■■■ poor planning - shock horror.I expect Chris 1207 would say that is exactly the sort of job a wagon
ndrag is for. A job where an artic is too large for access, but the company moves out a full load with one prime mover and driver rather than on two rigids?
Both correct, often it’s ■■■■ poor planning, but often it’s ■■■■ poor customers (paperwork says unrestricted access - which comes from the customer) - possibly one of the reason it’ll go out on a W&D anyway, rather than on a full size flat, if the planners suspect it’s going to be a ball-ache. Also, we can go on jobs hundreds of miles away from base, but where 2/3 jobs are within a few miles from each other - is it really realistic to send 2/3 trucks? No.
I have a crane on my W&D, and I’m expected to crane stuff off in all manner of places. A recent pain in the hole was an ‘unrestriced access’ job, address was about as vague as you could get - postcode took you to a cross roads about a mile away from the actual location… the job ended up being up a single track lane, off of another narrow lane (sign-posted unsuitable for HGV), in the middle of the countryside, and they wanted me to reverse downhill, in the dark, into a narrow driveway, to crane pallets off.
Guess what, the drag got dropped, if it hadn’t, the customer wouldn’t have got their goods. Struggled to get in even with just my rigid. Knew that one was going to be a cluster ■■■■ when I called the guy for directions and asked what the access was like… his response was “are you in a 7 n half tonner?” 
Chris1207:
Guess what, the drag got dropped, if it hadn’t, the customer wouldn’t have got their goods. Struggled to get in even with just my rigid. Knew that one was going to be a cluster [zb] when I called the guy for directions and asked what the access was like… his response was “are you in a 7 n half tonner?”
A client that knows what a 7 n half tonner is! Thats better than a customer saying "had big uns up `ere mate", then having a heart attack when you clip his hedges and trees free of charge.
Franglais:
Chris1207:
Guess what, the drag got dropped, if it hadn’t, the customer wouldn’t have got their goods. Struggled to get in even with just my rigid. Knew that one was going to be a cluster [zb] when I called the guy for directions and asked what the access was like… his response was “are you in a 7 n half tonner?”A client that knows what a 7 n half tonner is! That
s better than a customer saying "had biguns up `ere mate", then having a heart attack when you clip his hedges and trees free of charge.
Like the farmer who says on the phone… ‘‘Yeh bring your artic down mate, no probs, I have them in every week’’ which he does, but short arsed milk tankers with rear steer.
pierrot 14:
robroy:
I’m with pierott on this, I would not block in another driver’s trailer either.
There again I park in more imaginative places than lay bys.
He may have dropped his trailer there for a number of valid reasons, if it was me I would have given him the benefit of the doubt, but that is just me, I tend to consider my fellow drivers.Isn’t it just down to driver etiquette and respect for the fellow routier Robroy ?
Well it always was when I started, …the days before ‘‘The knobs’’ were allowed out on their own with big trucks.
I would leave the cones, help a brother out. I must be to nice as I think about other drivers too much e.g if there are only two places left in the services if I can lock it round in my relatively small tipper trailer and get in the space no problem that would have been a blind side in a full length trailer that’s the space I pick and leave the drive forward space.
Edit, I also think rigid drivers should do the same and occupy blind reverse spaces before using the drive in bays.
mrginge:
I would leave the cones, help a brother out. I must be to nice as I think about other drivers too much e.g if there are only two places left in the services if I can lock it round in my relatively small tipper trailer and get in the space no problem that would have been a blind side in a full length trailer that’s the space I pick and leave the drive forward space.Edit, I also think rigid drivers should do the same and occupy blind reverse spaces before using the drive in bays.
Picking of parking slots: if theres say three in a row, Id also go for one on the end leaving the easiest ones free. How many would just go for the center one leaving two awkward slots left? Too many maybe.
mrginge:
Edit, I also think rigid drivers should do the same and occupy blind reverse spaces before using the drive in bays.
I never use the drive in spaces, I find it easier to get dead centre of a space with an 8w if you reverse in. I tend to park to the front of a space too so drivers don’t start to reverse in and realise I’m already there.
Muckaway:
Ah, Tuffnells. They leave a drag (as in trailer not Lily Savage) in a layby near Earthline everyday but the driver always leaves it at the entrance, then usually cones off. Doesn’t bother me in this case as my yard is only a mile away but it does ■■■■ off the tipper drivers when the quarry is busy and all the laybys in the area fill up. The layby was much larger but the council decided there wasn’t enough demand for wooden toadstools and lucky heather so it was closed off.
As for the cones left behind, thankyou Drive; They make great fire lighters if you stuff an oily rag in the top once placed on the rubbish pile. They also make a cheaper alternative to the ones grab drivers forget to pick up.
Muck is that the one I see shoved rear out on the southbound side of A4260? If so it’s there often, I surprised it hasnt been broken into by now.
Aurri:
Muckaway:
Muck is that the one I see shoved rear out on the southbound side of A4260? If so it’s there often, I surprised it hasnt been broken into by now.
That’s the one mate, it’s there most days. Rough looking thing.
This could be like the spar drivers. They go out in a wagon & drag on shop deliveries but the drag is not equipped with a tail lift. Drag gets dropped somewhere until the rigid is tipped then it returns to tranship the stock from the drag onto the rigid before moving on to a different area and dumping it to continue deliveries
scanny77:
This could be like the spar drivers. They go out in a wagon & drag on shop deliveries but the drag is not equipped with a tail lift. Drag gets dropped somewhere until the rigid is tipped then it returns to tranship the stock from the drag onto the rigid before moving on to a different area and dumping it to continue deliveries
I think I have now decided never to go near Spar, Tuffnells, Sports direct and so on companies that use wag n drag’s for anything other then night trunks 
mrginge:
scanny77:
This could be like the spar drivers. They go out in a wagon & drag on shop deliveries but the drag is not equipped with a tail lift. Drag gets dropped somewhere until the rigid is tipped then it returns to tranship the stock from the drag onto the rigid before moving on to a different area and dumping it to continue deliveriesI think I have now decided never to go near Spar, Tuffnells, Sports direct and so on companies that use wag n drag’s for anything other then night trunks
Even that is a push. Spar use A-frames. I gave up trying to reverse them and let the shunter pick the drag up and put it on a bay with his tractor (he used an actual tractor, not a tractor unit)