Roymondo:
If someone else is picking up the tab, does it really matter if you do the training in an old knacker of a vehicle?
thats the point ,the company is not picking up the tab
that are making him sign a finance agreement to pay for it
Not sure if that’s correct, the op’s wording is a bit ambiguous he says work it off or pay if you leave.
That could mean you agree they take it out of your wages or it could mean you agree to work for them for a period and if you leave in that period you pay.
Sorry I’ve been out all day! Thanks for replies lads
In a nutshell I’m gonna ask them in more detail tomorrow about the whole agreement, BEFORE I sign anything of course, and ROG I’ll make sure it’s a reputable school, think they have links to flair in Chelmsford, but I’m saying no more at this stage
Yes I do want to do C+E that’s the point, and the way I see it gaining experience wise, I would prefer to gain the “two year” experience in an artic rather than a rigid as that would be more relevant.
I did this through the company I was Woking for at the time .I singed a contract to say I would work for them for 2 years or pay them back it was based on some sort of sliding scale I can’t remember the details now .I stayed there for 11 years so that wasn’t a problem . The best thing about it was there was none of this no experience no job l past on the Friday on the Monday I was sent out with another driver for a week and then let loose on my own if you like the company were your at its a good way to get round that
My last firm paid for my class2 back in 2006, although I funded the theory and medical. It was mooted about signing a contract for ‘x’ years which I mentioned to my instructor, his words to me were ‘it’s not worth the paper it’s written on’. After all that I never signed anything and continued in their employment for another 7 years. I’ve just done my class 1 and although my boss offered to part fund (50/50 I think) I declined his offer and paid the whole amount myself, I’m happy enough where I am, but if something came up that really appealed to me and I’d stand a chance of getting it I’d move on for experience.
I start my 2 year contract tomorrow jumping right into my class 1 training. Best thing ill have done for a long while and a decent job with a decent firm. Some people will have opinions but if it suits you and the money and the job itself is to your liking. It doesn’t matter about anything else.
There are a couple a firms in this area who put you through np 1 of the companies he put a couple lads through but they had been there a few years
Same as the other 1 lad started there in the yard at 15 boss helped him with his car ( yep he paid back weekly from wage ) then paid for his C &C+E no clauses he is sell there 8 years later same as a couple other lads C C+E
As already stated above,legally no company can hold you to anything you may sign with regards to training.
Do they ask office workers,order pickers,vehicle loaders or fork lift truck drivers to agree to cover the cost of their training if they leave???No because they know they can’t.
The company will pay for your class 1 and hope that you will stay with them because they know you know that you will struggle to get on anywhere else without experience and also hope you show a degree of loyalty to them because they have funded your training.
Legally there is no court in the world that will order you to pay back your training costs.
Personally I wouldn’t,you take said company up on the offer pass and get your class 1,then you start artics and for some reason don’t get on with it and hate it your stuck there for the period of paying them back.
If you can afford to do it yourself I would then your license to take where and when you like.
I’ve had a couple of training agreements over the years. Known as training bonds in t old days. They were a fair system usually and worked mostly. Nearly all the training agreements stated the company was liable for the training fees. They weren’t credit agreements or loans. The agreements were just that, between you and the company. The amount you owed usually decreased by 36 amounts over 3 years. Typically the value was for £13k - 20k hence the 3 years. For a lesser amount a year to two years at a push is reasonable on my opinion.
All the training agreements I ever recieved had in writing that if you failed the training, we’re dismissed or redundant then you were NOT liable. This was fair, to avoid the temptation for a company to invent false terms to fire you and then chase the money if they changed their mind. If they fired you, they couldn’t claim the money. It set the stage for both parties. They’d train you, you stayed. If you left, you paid a proportional amount. In return as a show the company weren’t using you for a tax dodge and intended to honour their part rather than just offering an expensive way of training, a no jeopardy clause was written in to cover the event of termination.
I’d insist on any training agreement stating that in the event of termination, dismissal or redundancy that no money is owed.
ckm1981:
As already stated above,legally no company can hold you to anything you may sign with regards to training.
Do they ask office workers,order pickers,vehicle loaders or fork lift truck drivers to agree to cover the cost of their training if they leave???No because they know they can’t.
Actually, it’s very common practice for this to happen.
I work in IT, and if I am sent on training that the company requires, I have to pay back the course costs if I leave within 12 months. The amount does pro rata down from 100% if I leave straight away to zero at 12 months. This was in the Contract of Employment I had to sign when offered the job.
The last course I did costed the company £2,500+VAT for a 5 day course, so not insignificant.
Roymondo:
If someone else is picking up the tab, does it really matter if you do the training in an old knacker of a vehicle?
thats the point ,the company is not picking up the tab
that are making him sign a finance agreement to pay for it
I wonder if “the company” is offsetting the training cost, vat etc, claiming it all back as a business cost and your paying back full whack…
Double whammy winner for the company?
ckm1981:
As already stated above,legally no company can hold you to anything you may sign with regards to training.
Do they ask office workers,order pickers,vehicle loaders or fork lift truck drivers to agree to cover the cost of their training if they leave???No because they know they can’t.
Actually, it’s very common practice for this to happen.
I work in IT, and if I am sent on training that the company requires, I have to pay back the course costs if I leave within 12 months. The amount does pro rata down from 100% if I leave straight away to zero at 12 months. This was in the Contract of Employment I had to sign when offered the job.
The last course I did costed the company £2,500+VAT for a 5 day course, so not insignificant.
When you attended the interview for the job and before they employed you did they tell you that YOU would be liable for the costs of any additional training during your employment?
If so and you still accepted the job knowing you would be having to pay a % of your wage back to them to do the job they employed you to do then more fool you,if they didn’t tell you this before they employed you then they took you on as an employee based on the skills/qualifications you already held,if at some stage they needed to re train you then that’s up to them to finance,what if you had refused would they have sacked you?If so you should of let them you’d of had a nice little settlement due from an employment tribunal.
Yes I’ve done it. Been in same job 8 years so I knew what was what, 2 years to ‘pay back’ is nothing to me, I wasn’t thinking of leaving anyway as I’m happy where I am. My wages went up onto class 1 rate which I roughly worked out to be about £2,000 per year above my class 2 wage but at the moment it’s going to be more like £5,000 per year on top. Office staff attitude hasn’t changed one bit towards me and yes, sometimes I still drive a rigid but on class 1 wages
You see paying for it yourself or the company taking it from your wages should you leave equates to the same thing, with the bonus that if you leave in let’s say a year you may well pay back less thus saving a few quid.
I understand this might throw a few people but he might actually like working for the company, they might be a decent company to work for with no ulterior motives other than wanting to promote from within. There, I’ve said it.
Something I’ve said more companies should be doing.
BillyHunt:
I understand this might throw a few people but he might actually like working for the company, they might be a decent company to work for with no ulterior motives other than wanting to promote from within. There, I’ve said it.
Something I’ve said more companies should be doing.
There’s a shocker: user talks sense on a forum - what will become of us? Will someone please think of the children!?!
ckm1981:
As already stated above,legally no company can hold you to anything you may sign with regards to training.
Do they ask office workers,order pickers,vehicle loaders or fork lift truck drivers to agree to cover the cost of their training if they leave???No because they know they can’t.
Actually, it’s very common practice for this to happen.
I work in IT, and if I am sent on training that the company requires, I have to pay back the course costs if I leave within 12 months. The amount does pro rata down from 100% if I leave straight away to zero at 12 months. This was in the Contract of Employment I had to sign when offered the job.
The last course I did costed the company £2,500+VAT for a 5 day course, so not insignificant.
When you attended the interview for the job and before they employed you did they tell you that YOU would be liable for the costs of any additional training during your employment?
If so and you still accepted the job knowing you would be having to pay a % of your wage back to them to do the job they employed you to do then more fool you,if they didn’t tell you this before they employed you then they took you on as an employee based on the skills/qualifications you already held,if at some stage they needed to re train you then that’s up to them to finance,what if you had refused would they have sacked you?If so you should of let them you’d of had a nice little settlement due from an employment tribunal.
Did you not read my post? I would only have to pay any monies back to the company if I were to leave within 12 months of taking the course, as the course is a significant cost to the company and also makes me more employable to a competitor. If I stay (and I’ve been there 7 years now), then I don’t have to pay a penny.
Oh, and it’s “should have/should’ve” not “should of”
Read the post properly before you reply with tripe next time!
so I have been at my current employer for 18 months and It seems like yesterday, 2 years is nothing time wise and the only thing I would be looking at is whether the job is different to what I am on (if your a day lad class 2 then get class 1 and moved to tramping it will be hard but if you stay a day lad whats the issue?).
your wages should increase you have a guaranteed way around the 2 years experience (I know a lot of areas this is being eroded), you should know the company ideally prior to signing up.
its not a ‘credit agreement’ more a case of if we pay £x you stay for Months x, if you leave you pay for the cost of the training as you now have a new qualification (which you would have to pay either way if your going from class 2 - 1), if you don’t like that idea go and pay up front with your own money its that simple or work out what is quicker (saving x amount each month and taking it yourself or working it off so to speak).
if you like the company were your at its a good way to get round that