As you say you do wonder why they can’t do a Costco. Crick etc lock the wheels .
To add what I did learn with hindsight from my experience was that it’s better to walk away from any job that you’re not happy with rather than argue with the guvnor about it.
I certainly wouldn’t do that over trundling some pallets on and off a trailer.But in an ideal world 1970’s style demarcation was a good thing in everyone’s interests.It created employment for warehouse staff and improved the working conditions for drivers.
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Except in the real world I roped and sheeted and chained loads and worked with tilts and didn’t even mind trundling trailer loads of heavy palletised cards from their dock onto the trailer at Simon Elvin at Wycombe.Bearing in mind it was a lucrative overtime job added to job and finish trunk..No need to go to the Middle East for any of that.
Not the same thing as a union agreement based on past practice, that any warehouse type work anywhere was at the drivers’ discretion and choice.Torn up by the union itself to the detriment of the warehouse staff and drivers.
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When i started on my own in 1972 you / driver was expected to help load bricks at London Brick Works same as unloading all part of the job,
Some of us was silly enough to do what they called snachers , ie unload yourself for a few quid nothing wrong with that lol best i did was 9000 bricks in 2.5 hours on a nice hot sunny day at a printers in Bexely Heath, i remember it as if it was yesterday, not sure how long it would take me today though, the most i could do at a time was 13 faceing bricks, from what i see of things today i think we had the best days, we went out of or way to help others with sheets / changeing wheels, and always had time for tea, could always adjust the log book to suit,
I could not do it today with all the Elf and Safety BOLLOX you do not need all that ■■■■■ if you have Common Sence.
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Unfortunately though you do need common sense and it’s lacking. Critical thinking has been educated out of the younger generation unfortunately, you do get the odd one but en masse it’s not there. A reliance on a phone to tell you what to do isn’t critical thinking.
My pet hate that supervisors managers who can’t make a decision have to phone there line manager and so on. And about hour later they come to same descion I told em an hour before hand.
We have a system where it is up to hauliers/clients to make contracts competitively about such matters. Do you think that Governments should interfere in such matters?
If demurrage is/isn’t to be charged, if driver assisted load/unload is included or not in the haulage contract that seems to me to be a commercial decision.
Likewise for drivers: if the contract of employment specifies that drivers duties include assisting in such things then the drivers have the choice to seek work elsewhere.
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The whole point of the RHA is to represent hauliers. Hauliers are losing money when they’re stuck in places for hours. If you’ve never done Stoke Sainsbury’s it can be as much as 5 hours. If private companies are using other companies to do their work I have a serious problem with that. Like getting a rejected pallet because it’s not the one they ordered etc. they expect the hauliers to take it back let’s say 200 miles and not pay for it. That really happens. If there was legislation like demurrage the practice of using hauliers as their own personal transport would stop rapidly. I’ve had a full load rejected before because the dates in the bottles wasn’t the one they wanted. That load stayed on a trailer (storage) for free for 1 week whilst the 2 companies argued it out. Fair play to the boss at the time he just ended up stacking it in a field in the pissing down rain in winter and the company was told to uplift themselves. 3 other hauliers turned up to get the load with no forklifts, no access to the field etc. and the customer was incensed. Lol. What do they expect?
Yes. And it is for hauliers to freely make a commercial business decision.
They can choose to charge demurrage, or to swallow the cost of lost time.
The RHA must not fall foul of UK competition rules. If all hauliers agreed to charge the same demurrage? Looks like a cartel.
Never happened when I was in the sitting in the chair. Nothing moved for free.
Fine. And I will bet that the haulier did not lose a penny hauling it. If they did, it was because they were hauling summat without having a decent set of T&Cs of their own.
Wrong thread mate…should go on this one Waiting room myths
It happened. And it was on a farm in Worcestershire. Obviously you’ve got your finger in the pulse and have held the big boys to ransom with your T&C’s but smaller hauliers haven’t got that clout. This industry should be making decent wages and profits, with the shift to AI it’s going to get a lot harder. Mind you I’m sure negotiation with a robot that pulls in about 1tb of information a second won’t be a match for your skills.
By your logic CMR would be a cartel.