99% of people on here aren’t drivers they are steering wheel attendants who wouldn’t/couldn’t change a wheel if needed ,why don’t they just apply another layer of cotton wool and get back under the duvet TOSSERS
chester:
Left hand down!:
chester:
Not many replies from truck drivers as of yet what a XL trailer is?
It only works if your load is loaded front to rear
ie bulkhead to rear doors.
if Your on multi drop then you will need dunnage to accomadate the loads you have delivered.If your not delivering full loads all of the time then a XL rated curtain means naff all.
Don’t let you TM fool you otherwise.A load bearing curtain is a constraint not a restraint.
A internal strap will be accepted by DVSA (VOSA) per strap to restrain 400kg.If Iam wrong please quote me!
You are wrong.
DVSA draft:
Positive fit is defined as loading right up to the headboard, with no more than 80mm between the load and each curtain, and secured at the rear if the load does not reach the doors or rear of the body. In regards to multidrop work, the DVSA said: “As the load diminishes, the driver must either fill any gaps to maintain the positive fit, or use additional securing measures.”So if on multi drop and your using a XL trailer you have to replenish any gaps for a positive fit. It clearly states that in the quote you’ve posted
Or use additional securing measures. (Meaning a XL trailer means naff all as you might as well just be using a normal curtain sider)Drivers are still thinking just because the trailer has load bearing curtains the load doesn’t have to be restrained.
If you have a part load,the load has to been restrained, or gaps filled to make it a full load again.
If you have a full load, the load doesn’t need restraining.
Do you not understand plain English or are you just a typical thick ■■■■ driver? It says quite clearly “and secured at the rear if the load does not reach the doors” so your argument that it means “naff all” if you have a part load is completely wrong as you could have 2 pallets on the headboard with straps across the back of them and it would be perfectly safe and legal so long as the curtain is marked EN 12642XL and the 2 pallets are no greater than 8cm from the curtains laterally. So long as the pallets are up against each other from the headboard then you can carry any amount of pallets but they must be “secured at the rear”.
Left hand down!:
Do you not understand plain English or are you just a typical thick [zb] driver? It says quite clearly “and secured at the rear if the load does not reach the doors” so your argument that it means “naff all” if you have a part load is completely wrong as you could have 2 pallets on the headboard with straps across the back of them and it would be perfectly safe and legal so long as the curtain is marked EN 12642XL and the 2 pallets are no greater than 8cm from the curtains laterally. So long as the pallets are up against each other from the headboard then you can carry any amount of pallets but they must be “secured at the rear”.
Brilliant!
Now the personal insults start.
Why are you telling me what I already know 
Iam aiming my posts at the operators/drivers who are thinking that just because you have load bearing curtains the load doesn’t need restraining where in some cases it will.
You are arguing with me by agreeing with me.
von max:
99% of people on here aren’t drivers they are steering wheel attendants who wouldn’t/couldn’t change a wheel if needed ,
What has changing a wheel got to do with being a driver That’s like saying a tyre fitter is useless because he can’t secure a load 
chester:
Left hand down!:
Do you not understand plain English or are you just a typical thick [zb] driver? It says quite clearly “and secured at the rear if the load does not reach the doors” so your argument that it means “naff all” if you have a part load is completely wrong as you could have 2 pallets on the headboard with straps across the back of them and it would be perfectly safe and legal so long as the curtain is marked EN 12642XL and the 2 pallets are no greater than 8cm from the curtains laterally. So long as the pallets are up against each other from the headboard then you can carry any amount of pallets but they must be “secured at the rear”.Brilliant!
Now the personal insults start.
Why are you telling me what I already know
Iam aiming my posts at the operators/drivers who are thinking that just because you have load bearing curtains the load doesn’t need restraining where in some cases it will.
You are arguing with me by agreeing with me.
I’m not agreeing with you because your post is factually incorrect, as I have addressed above. You now appear to contradicting yourself and generally making a big song and dance over not a right lot. Perhaps you should stick to your push bikes and let the big boys drive the trucks where we actually know how to correctly interpret the law. As you were.
Merely pointing out the obvious about common sense with loads but then again like I said 99%
VOSA caught out talking ■■■■■■■■ on load security
UKIP have actually said they’ll scrap DCPC
Farmfoods driver in the hen party minibus fatal found unanimously not guilty.
Tough times for the Trucknet finger waggers, at the moment.
So, just to clarify, the 27 ton of timber that I’m picking up tomorrow, does not need any additional strapping down?
fdm is taking ■■■■ or part of the 99%
chester:
Not many replies from truck drivers as of yet what a XL trailer is?
It only works if your load is loaded front to rear
ie bulkhead to rear doors.
if Your on multi drop then you will need dunnage to accomadate the loads you have delivered.If your not delivering full loads all of the time then a XL rated curtain means naff all.
Don’t let you TM fool you otherwise.A load bearing curtain is a constraint not a restraint.
A internal strap will be accepted by DVSA (VOSA) per strap to restrain 400kg.If Iam wrong please quote me!
So not so much BOOM but common sense
You are wrong on everything, its all in the article link. XL trailers are trailers with load bearing curtains. To the driver to all extents and purposes they look no different.
It doesn’t just work if they’re loaded front to rear. If you bothered to read the article they need to be loaded from the bulkhead and secured at the rear if they don’t go to the back doors. Two internal straps over the rear or a ratchet strap over the rear is securing it as required.
As for multi drop you’d do that anyway. Only a complete halfwit would drive around with one pallet on one side of the wagon with nothing on the other side. I’ve never ever run around like that and have always had something to support an odd pallet, usually a stack of empties, or like yesterday I got the depot I was delivering at to drop down one of a stack of two pallets for the next drop and place them side by side.
fdm:
So, just to clarify, the 27 ton of timber that I’m picking up tomorrow, does not need any additional strapping down?
Just tie your curtains back and you’ll be grand!
fdm:
So, just to clarify, the 27 ton of timber that I’m picking up tomorrow, does not need any additional strapping down?
just tell your boss, that the rha and fta are selling lots of XL stickers for the lazy drivers like on the back of the bibby trailers! Job done, Gravity shall feel your load on DRIVER! Lol 
Common sense… Like the name off the topic. With XL trailers you are not obligated to strap and secure your load, for the VOSA or BAG. But if you are a experienced driver who ofcourse had sometimes in the past payed for damaged goods you ofcourse gonna strap any load that can be damaged by moving, or that can cut your curtains, like timber or steel. Its simple as that. Glad to help 
von max:
fdm is taking ■■■■ or part of the 99%
Boris1971:
Can anyone explain what that means, or give me an example of a load we do not have to strap down.
It mainly means that supermarkets can just load cages without having to secure them down (the way they do now). Instead they can just use restraint to stop them going backwards (the way they do now).
andjelko:
Common sense… Like the name off the topic. With XL trailers you are not obligated to strap and secure your load, for the VOSA or BAG. But if you are a experienced driver who ofcourse had sometimes in the past payed for damaged goods you ofcourse gonna strap any load that can be damaged by moving, or that can cut your curtains, like timber or steel. Its simple as that. Glad to help
the XL certificate (yes, a certificate, not just a sticker on the outside) is for palletized goods, not timber or steel
milodon:
andjelko:
Common sense… Like the name off the topic. With XL trailers you are not obligated to strap and secure your load, for the VOSA or BAG. But if you are a experienced driver who ofcourse had sometimes in the past payed for damaged goods you ofcourse gonna strap any load that can be damaged by moving, or that can cut your curtains, like timber or steel. Its simple as that. Glad to helpthe XL certificate (yes, a certificate, not just a sticker on the outside) is for palletized goods, not timber or steel
cant untherstend your point, thats what I writed down, I suggest you read my post and the first post and the link provided in the first post again …
fdm:
So, just to clarify, the 27 ton of timber that I’m picking up tomorrow, does not need any additional strapping down?
Highly unlikely that a load of timber would be a ‘positive fit’ as defined in the EU regulations.
There’s some crap being posted on here.
A trailer/body built to the XL standard will contain the load according to the certificate and accompanying criteria. That might be less than you think.
So if I have a trailer can carry a 27000 kg payload and the ‘XL’ certificate says the curtains will take 50% of the payload if there’s no more than 80mm gap then fine - BUT - in most cases it MUST have a coefficient of friction between the load bed and floor of at least 0.6. Most pallets on a wooden floor reach 0.3 So unless you have friction enhancing material that means the certificate is void.
Also - if the ‘XL’ certificate says the headboard will take 50% of the payload and the DFT code of practice tells us 100% of the payload (80% in Europe) may act forward then some of the load will still need restraining in a forward direction or the headboard may be overloaded.
The coefficient of friction is critical and we just don’t use friction matting in this country to the extent they do in mainland Europe.
As for a curtain trailer that can contain 100% of the payload - extremely rare. They are available but tend to have a reduced payload due to the extra strength built in. The ones I have seen also have ‘special’ internal straps at the side which are like ratchet straps and attached to a reinforced super structure. They also have reinforced headboards.
If you are gonna use an ‘XL’ trailer check the certificate AND the criteria the load must meet.
shep532:
If you are gonna use an ‘XL’ trailer check the certificate AND the criteria the load must meet.
Of course, it should go without saying, that’ll be done on the risk assesment !