id try derek spall at d.j.spall if i wanted an ageing truck /body how you describe hes the sort of breakers yard that hoards/sells on anything of use .Long way from Manchester out at Dallinghoo in Suffolk but i know hes carted big trucks across the country
Very topical, I’ve just been reading today about a driver who’s said he’s had a £1000 fine for parking in a layby at night with no lights.
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wait what. the layby isn’t part of the carriageway is it
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I remember being told that if there is a physical divide, grass verge, raised kerb etc its not part of the highway so lights not required but if no divide then it is so they are needed. I know some one who puts rechargeable bicycle lights front and rear and he says he’s had no problems!!
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Yup I had my trusty Ever ready bicycle lights, never let be down
ahoy truckers:
albion1938:
SWEDISH BLUE:
DVLA know whether it’s insured and people have been nicked for having tax but no insurance as the computer picks it up.
BernardBut has anyone been done yet for having no insurance while the vehicle is parked up?
There was a Transit type van parked near the Burger Van at Avonmouth parked with a caravan attached. The lads were living in while working at the cold store nearby. That got a sticker on the screen saying No Insurance and the van was gone within a week, Buy the caravan was still there.
Didn’t some firm do this on the isle of sheppey recently but with vans. Council took them to court to remove them.Can’t remember the
outcome of the court case.
ahoy truckers:
albion1938:
SWEDISH BLUE:
DVLA know whether it’s insured and people have been nicked for having tax but no insurance as the computer picks it up.
BernardBut has anyone been done yet for having no insurance while the vehicle is parked up?
I’ve been led to believe that’s a yes. (Feedback from clubs and media I use as owner of two exempt vehicles, one’s a lorry). If it’s on the public road it has to be taxed and insured. The DVLA tax system is linked to the insurance database so can pick up discrepancies and issue penalties.
Edit. Should also have said , Police ANPR camera will pick it up. And anybody who doesn’t like the look of it can check it’s status and report it.
Needs to have insurance, needs taxing even though Historic Tax is £0. Even though it doesn’t need a MOT it needs to be roadworthy and meet the minimum MOT standards as well as meeting Construction and Use regs.
In regards as to what is deemed to be public highway there’s a lot of people living in houses which had long grass verges between their garden wall and the pavement at the side of the road, areas like this who parked untaxed cars on it finding out that it was the Queens Highway right up to their garden wall.
Continuous road tax rules means you either have to tax it or declare SORN. If you don’t declare SORN and it’s untaxed the registered keeper can be done for no tax. If you declare SORN and park it on the public highway the registered keeper can be done for keeping an untaxed car on the road.
stu675:
SWEDISH BLUE:
Any vehicle parked on the road has to have Tax, even if exempt, insurance and M O T, unless exempt. Good Luck.Both MOT and tax can end at 40 years old.
gov.uk/historic-vehicles
Still needs taxing but it’s £0 rated. Even says that in your link…
Historic vehicle tax exemption
You can apply to stop paying for vehicle tax from 1 April 2022 if your vehicle was built before 1 January 1982. You must tax your vehicle even if you do not have to pay.
stu675:
Both MOT and tax can end at 40 years old.
gov.uk/historic-vehicles
Not quite. Vehicles automatically become MOT exempt at 40 years old.
Vehicles can have their taxation class changed to “Historic Vehicle” on the next 1st April following their 40th anniversary of first registration, unless they were registered in the first week of the year in which case it is assumed that they were manufactured in the previous year.
Historic vehicles still need to be taxed in any of the usual ways but there is no fee payable for this.
Went through all of this a few years back with my 1978 Honda Express.
Harry Monk:
stu675:
Both MOT and tax can end at 40 years old.
gov.uk/historic-vehiclesNot quite. Vehicles automatically become MOT exempt at 40 years old.
Vehicles can have their taxation class changed to “Historic Vehicle” on the next 1st April following their 40th anniversary of first registration, unless they were registered in the first week of the year in which case it is assumed that they were manufactured in the previous year.
Historic vehicles still need to be taxed in any of the usual ways but there is no fee payable for this.
Went through all of this a few years back with my 1978 Honda Express.
I thought you had to apply for being mot exempt… I certainly know that my p6 isn’t and that’s a 73
albion1938:
ahoy truckers:
I’ve been led to believe that’s a yes. (Feedback from clubs and media I use as owner of two exempt vehicles, one’s a lorry). If it’s on the public road it has to be taxed and insured. The DVLA tax system is linked to the insurance database so can pick up discrepancies and issue penalties.Edit. Should also have said , Police ANPR camera will pick it up. And anybody who doesn’t like the look of it can check it’s status and report it.
I’m wondering about the agents for the DVLA that come round and clamp your car if tax unpaid is over 30 days, if they have access to this data for insurance and if so they clamp for no insurance
I remember a big red classic double decker red London bus being parked up in the back ally of a side street at the dock of Brighton-on-hove, and being used as a transport cafe. Dont know if its still there today that is, but I wonder how they delt with the insurance
corij:
id try derek spall at d.j.spall if i wanted an ageing truck /body how you describe hes the sort of breakers yard that hoards/sells on anything of use .Long way from Manchester out at Dallinghoo in Suffolk but i know hes carted big trucks across the country
Quite a bit of a haul for an old shell with a log book but worth a phone call I guess!
I see a lot of old 40 foot trailers going for little money on feeBay, but not seen any as classic 40 year old plus historic trailers. But I guess you have to tax them and pay a fee if under 40 years even if attached to a unit. Dont see any 40+ classic units for sale either! Ridget lorries, not a lot of those seen on feeBay too; the odd one now and again but not with a decent box for storage
Conor:
. Even though it doesn’t need a MOT it needs to be roadworthy and meet the minimum MOT standards as well as meeting Construction and Use regs. .
Not sure what the Construction and Use regs are but, I see no evidence that it dose need to be road worth wile it is parked up; Further more I read a .gov website artical a few months ago stating that it must be road worthy and it gave a list of requirments which looked nothing as great as the MOT
Conor:
In regards as to what is deemed to be public highway there’s a lot of people living in houses which had long grass verges between their garden wall and the pavement at the side of the road, areas like this who parked untaxed cars on it finding out that it was the Queens Highway right up to their garden wall.
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In deed! And I used this as my argument for parking a caravan up on the fell a long time ago
Found it hear
gov.uk/historic-vehicles
You do not have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle each year. However, you must still keep it in a roadworthy condition.
Not a lot rely to say about what needed to be road legal
gov.uk/check-vehicle-safe
Walsh and Dearden, Darwen.
Why go through a this trouble. Just stick your declaration of being a Freeman of the Land I the window, and that the law doesn’t apply to you…
cooper1203:
Harry Monk:
stu675:
Both MOT and tax can end at 40 years old.
gov.uk/historic-vehiclesNot quite. Vehicles automatically become MOT exempt at 40 years old.
Vehicles can have their taxation class changed to “Historic Vehicle” on the next 1st April following their 40th anniversary of first registration, unless they were registered in the first week of the year in which case it is assumed that they were manufactured in the previous year.
Historic vehicles still need to be taxed in any of the usual ways but there is no fee payable for this.
Went through all of this a few years back with my 1978 Honda Express.
I thought you had to apply for being mot exempt… I certainly know that my p6 isn’t and that’s a 73
Kawasaki or Rover? Either way it’s over 40 years old and as long as it’s registered in the “historic vehicle” class and not substantially modified it’s automatically exempt MOT and tax is free.
Bernard
Vehicles that do not need an MOT
You do not need to get an MOT if:
the vehicle was built or first registered more than 40 years ago
no ‘substantial changes’ have been made to the vehicle in the last 30 years, for example replacing the chassis, body, axles or engine to change the way the vehicle works
If you’re not sure if there have been any substantial changes you can:
read the full guidance on MOT exemptions for historic vehicles
speak to a historic vehicle expert
Vehicles exempt from vehicle tax
If your vehicle was built before 1 January 1982, you can stop paying vehicle tax from 1 April 2022.
If you do not know when your vehicle was built, but it was registered before 8 January 1982, you do not need to pay vehicle tax from 1 April 2022.
What you have to do
You must apply for a vehicle tax exemption to stop paying vehicle tax. This is sometimes called putting a vehicle into the ‘historic tax class’.
You do not have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle each year. However, you must still keep it in a roadworthy condition.