The problem being, and it’s not restricted to this incident, is that the long term results may or may not be reported, depending upon the agenda of the press.
Well so far little info was being released and now it’s a drug driver. But as always speculation will be rife and as for agendas well… Anyway I’m not going to comment any further and hope that it gets dealt with properly and the person or people involved face the consequences.
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Cheers for that mate.
So no need to comment on specifics, but I am just curious …
After you basically condemned the guys (whether they were ‘‘drunken football fans’’ or otherwise) for ‘taking action’ against this individual, labelling it ‘‘mob mentality’’..
I have told you what I would like to think I maybe would have done in that scenario…, want to help to stop it all.
Would you personally yourself not have felt the need to do similar if you had that opportunity?
Bearing in mind that it probably stopped him going any further and injuring more people or worse.
I would put it down as taking action, doing their bit, and preventing more carnage rather than ‘‘mob mentality’’
If anybody should be criticised it should be those actually on the scene or very close to it filming it all rather than helping stop it.
Good on those people who attacked (or retaliated ) I say.
My point is mob mentality rob, all those people knew at the exact moment a car had run lots of people over. They had no idea what had caused it, smashed the car to pieces and trying to drag the driver out to give him a kicking or worse.
i absolutely do not believe their intention was to stop the car or subdued him, look at the footage. Even when the police are there dealing with it people are still trying to get at the car and driver past the police.
The vehicle needed immobilising yes smashing the window and removing the keys fine. But smashing the whole car to huts and several people trying to drag the guy out the car, come on seriously they had no intention of not beating the ■■■■ out of the guy possibly even to death had the police not arrived.
Even when the police led him away with officers ringed around him people were still trying to attack him.
People were jumping to conclusions and I get uve never been in that scenario either but lots of people didn’t pile in out of the massive crowd.
And yes filming ■■■■ you know how I feel about that in this day and age, everyone films anything without giving a single thought to anyone else.
The biggest question was how the car was able to follow an ambulance through a temporary road block that was lifted for an emergency.
Whatever I say it’s clear we won’t agree on much.
And still at the end of the day all my thoughts are with those hurt and their families and hoping they all make a swift recovery and get over the trauma.
Thing is Simon whenever this sort of thing occurs people’s first port of thought is ‘‘terrorism’’…pure and simple.
I don’t give a flying ■■■■ if the bloke is black, white or green, the modus operandi of terrorism was there as first impression and intetpretation, and people are just totally pissed off with it all…hence the reaction, and hence the reaction in Southport
Apart from that mowing down people including women and kids, with zero thought or empathy, in my book whatever his motives or excuses, the bloke deserved a good kicking.
Now if that makes me harsh, uncivilised or ‘right kin wing’ or whatever tf anybody wants to call me…I simply do not care.
As you say we aint going to agree, but we definitely agree on your last paragraph.
I too hope these poor innocent victims of this ■■■■ make a full recovery,.as for him he deserves all he got, and gets from here.
But that is exactly the problem in society these days people jumping on the bandwagon and trying to make out it’s some for of terrorist attack when it clearly wasn’t in this case.
People expecting a name to be released, trying to find out who it is, it actually makes no difference who it is, something awful happend and it will be dealt with by the powers that be not mob mentality.
As and when things can be released then they will hopefully until then most of the crap flying around is speculation. And we will (like most bad things that happen) never know the full ins and outs of it, that is frankly life and sometimes there is no rational explanation for what happened or even why the person did what they did.
But let’s be honest making videos about it and trying to make some rhetoric about cover ups and such like is as bad as mis leading info from news outlets etc, the very thing lots of people are making out is a cover up.
People are morons it’s as simple as that, same with lorry drivers, do stupid stuff that makes us all look bad and incompetent, people are their own worst enemies and can’t see the wood for the trees.
And those that will take it to extreme levels in the name of football as well.
So like I said hope everyone make a full recovery and can deal with any trauma issues afterwards and move on, then again some people are better at moving on and some make of their lifetime to remember it every day and expect massive changes to be made for every what if.
Life is bloody unfair and it’s stinks at times and bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people and everything else in between. Life is not fair no such thing exists, some people are lucky and some are unlucky, sometimes being In the wrong place at the wrong time is all it takes.
Let’s just say there is ‘other’, more off message, information on this incident out there.
Say what?……
Do tell please
Ok, so you are stood with your wife and family in a crowd, and some f/wit is coming at people in a speeding revving van.
You can say what you like Simon, but due to past incidents, and it having all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack, it is natural people are going to think that way.
Believe it or not I have told my wife and kids to watch out for this type of sh since the events in Germany…was it? There have also been a couple of others as far as I know
In city breaks with the wife I am always aware when crossing roads against traffic, you may think I’m paranoid, I prefer to call it ‘‘streetwise’’ and ’ on the ball’'.
Yeah maybe so after the event it is (reasonably) clear, but not if you are stood among it at the time.
Again…what do ‘‘they’’ expect after the ‘‘Welsh Choir boy’’ b/s, .. . and still not acknowledged as ‘terrorism’ .
Again we have contrasting views on this, so we’ll maybe leave it at that eh?
Although I fully agree about some lorry drivers being morons.
I’m intrigued.
You obviously know why it’s not a bright idea to post directly or indirectly anything not in line with the approved Starmer narrative.
You’ll have to go looking for yourself.A mad Scouse Welshman who knows who cares it ain’t worth going to the gulag for.
Fully understand, but would appreciate if you don’t make statements to any different as what we are all following
I am answering this on the assumption that you genuinely don’t know what he means but I think I know what Carryfast is referring to here.
There was some still images & videos circulating of a very South Eastern European/Arabic looking man supposedly getting out/being dragged out of the car that drove into the crowd, according to this version of events he was very quickly bundled into the police car under a blanket to hide his identity and also there was some mystery guy immediately removing the number plate from the vehicle. Meanwhile the 53 year old white British guy that has been highlighted by all news sources, was the one who actually dragged this guy out the car rather than him actually being the driver. This has also been fuelled by the police later issuing a report that they “believe” him to be the driver.
Personally I don’t believe any of this alternative version of events that I’ve read about and seen. I just think it’s a tragic event that has been hijacked by some people who have to believe everything is a conspiracy. If there was foul play at work then why try and hide it? Especially when it took place at a parade that had around 1 million in attendance with all the mobile camera footage that would have been floating about.
If that was true, with the amount of people around as witnesses, it would be nigh on impossible to keep under wraps, and would have came out immeadiatelly you would think, and be more widespread.
First I have heard it anyway.
Sounds somewhere betweena bit ‘iffy’ and downright implausible to me…but you never know what tf this govt is up to with their cover ups.
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That’s where this version of events fails, there is just too many people there for it to be anything other than what was reported so far.
we will see when he is in court as hopefully the case will be reported in the media. I find the excuse he was under the influence of drugs a little thin but what do i know never taken any (of the illegal kind before someone says i bet you have taken paracetamol). I find it had to believe that you can be that zonked out that you think its a good idea to drive through a load of innocent people
Or it could be the opposite too many people saw ‘an’ ‘alternative’ story ?.That’s why there is an ‘alternative’ story ?.Obviously in the new Yugoslavia no one with any sense is going to argue.
Obviously the narrative is whatever Starmer says it is.
Not everything is a conspiracy you know. Sadly for all involved here this was just a chain of unfortunate events coming together. Thankfully no-one has been killed.
As for why you are babbling on about Yugoslavia related to this subject, no idea! 
Best delete this post I reckon. As watched news and police woman. Spokeswoman was doing press conference.
And she said people shouldn’t discuss this online speculate or post anything as it could jeopardize the upcoming court vase