My mate…coughyeahrightcough 
lolipop:
dozy:
My mate left home at 9.30 a.m yesterday and arrived at work for 11 a.m ,he then finished his shift at 00.15 and then told his planner he would not be starting work until 1 p.m the next day at it would be abt 2 a.m when he got home ,shower ,cup tea in bed for 2.45 am and would need to be up for 8.30 am to get a shower ,breakfast to leave for 9.30 am to get there for 11 a.m ( 5 hrs apx sleep ) .
I thought this sounded reasonable but planner said he can’t plan for drivers changing there start times as and when it suits them ,thoughtsIts not the Planners problem as to where a Driver lives,or how long it takes him /her to commute,its the Drivers problem.
If commuting is a problem then the Driver needs to have a re-think on his employment
^This.
All Stobart job ads for day/night jobs state in the requirements:
Live within a reasonable travelling distance to the depot; we recommend 40 minutes
If his idea of ‘reasonable travelling distance’ is 1hr 45 mins, then his lack of sleep is his own fault. You don’t need to travel that far for a driving job with crap shifts on average wages…
Dozy is right. The employer knew where the driver lived when they set him on. An employer has a duty of care and this includes protecting people from themselves.
They are not fulfilling this duty if the give some one a job who has to travel for 90 mins. to get to work. The employer should check their records and dismiss anyone who lives that far away, or indeed moves to a new home that far away.
Is it any wonder the job is like it is when drivers won’t stand up to bad employers ?
Regards. John.
old 67:
Dozy is right. The employer knew where the driver lived when they set him on. An employer has a duty of care and this includes protecting people from themselves.
They are not fulfilling this duty if the give some one a job who has to travel for 90 mins. to get to work. The employer should check their records and dismiss anyone who lives that far away, or indeed moves to a new home that far away.
Is it any wonder the job is like it is when drivers won’t stand up to bad employers ?
Regards. John.
How do you know they didn’t ask him if he was happy with his commute & he said yes? The guys clearly a bit of a num nuts, so wouldn’t be a shocking revelation.
I’ve never been asked about my commute by an employer though I must say, but i’m of the opinion that a grown up, adult professional should be capable of making that judgement for themselves before attending interview…
Reasonable distance to work in the case of the job centre is that your expected to drive 1hr each way to and from work a day. That is their rules you have to apply for jobs that distance away.
dozy:
war1974:
would say he needs a different job if in 11 hours rest he can only manage 5 hours sleep. used to work a similar drive away and never had as little as 5 hours sleep unless I reduced it.should be able to plan to 11 hour breaks easy enough mind.
But out of the 11 hrs he has off ,3 hrs apx is commuting time ,leaving him 8 hrs in which to shower ,eat ,do a few chores ,that’s his point he can’t get in 8 hrs sleep ,which is what you should be doing if your going to stay healthy .
dozy in all honesty I doubt other than on a weekend I get 8 hours sleep and would guess even the trampers are pushing to get this (time they have had a shower / meal / watched a bit of tv/ online entertainment).
cant see how people are blaming the employer the driver knew where the depot was when he signed up how is it their fault? this is why we have so much Health and Safety nowadays grown men and women unable to take responsibility for their own actions. the only way the employer would in my eyes be at fault would be if they had moved him from a near depot to one further away.
rob22888:
old 67:
Dozy is right. The employer knew where the driver lived when they set him on. An employer has a duty of care and this includes protecting people from themselves.
They are not fulfilling this duty if the give some one a job who has to travel for 90 mins. to get to work. The employer should check their records and dismiss anyone who lives that far away, or indeed moves to a new home that far away.
Is it any wonder the job is like it is when drivers won’t stand up to bad employers ?
Regards. John.How do you know they didn’t ask him if he was happy with his commute & he said yes? The guys clearly a bit of a num nuts, so wouldn’t be a shocking revelation.
I’ve never been asked about my commute by an employer though I must say, but i’m of the opinion that a grown up, adult professional should be capable of making that judgement for themselves before attending interview…
Sorry. I guess the sarcasm in my post was a bit too subtle
Regards. John.
old 67:
rob22888:
old 67:
Dozy is right. The employer knew where the driver lived when they set him on. An employer has a duty of care and this includes protecting people from themselves.
They are not fulfilling this duty if the give some one a job who has to travel for 90 mins. to get to work. The employer should check their records and dismiss anyone who lives that far away, or indeed moves to a new home that far away.
Is it any wonder the job is like it is when drivers won’t stand up to bad employers ?
Regards. John.How do you know they didn’t ask him if he was happy with his commute & he said yes? The guys clearly a bit of a num nuts, so wouldn’t be a shocking revelation.
I’ve never been asked about my commute by an employer though I must say, but i’m of the opinion that a grown up, adult professional should be capable of making that judgement for themselves before attending interview…
Sorry. I guess the sarcasm in my post was a bit too subtle
Regards. John.
I must admit I missed it too John.
having said that whilst your sarcasm was just that, there seems to be a never ending stream of wet behind the ears drivers who think that by choosing driving as a profession they are always going to start at 7am be back home by 4pm and earn 35k a year. this is great for those who have this but lets be honest 90% of haulage isn’t like this. 8 hours sleep good god think I classed 6 as a lie in.
can you show me anywhere in the GV262, or, in fact, any other official document, where it states that you MUST have 8 hours sleep per night (or daily rest period)?
the last time i read the rules, it does not state what you must do during that time, it only states that you must not do any work related activities
for all the rules state, you could ■■■■■■■■■■ yourself stupid for 11 hours, then drive again, perfectly legal, as long as you kept the curtains closed in your time off
My first real C+E job was usually 6am starts. But it was long days and I wasnt finished and home till 8/9 ten oclock sometimes. And by the time id got home,had a shower,took the dogs out and spoke to the missus,had my dinner etc sometimes I wasnt in my bed till 1am. And then up at 0430 to deal with dogs etc before leaving for a 6am start.
Course it was on containers so I was always sure of catching a bit of shut eye during those 4 hour loading stints 
shuttlespanker:
can you show me anywhere in the GV262, or, in fact, any other official document, where it states that you MUST have 8 hours sleep per night (or daily rest period)
The law (RTA) does state that a driver must not drive tired
A LGV driver was recently prosecuted under that law
shuttlespanker:
for all the rules state, you could ■■■■■■■■■■ yourself stupid for 11 hours, then drive again, perfectly legal, as long as you kept the curtains closed in your time off
no wonder you had this look 
on your face last time I saw you
ROG:
shuttlespanker:
can you show me anywhere in the GV262, or, in fact, any other official document, where it states that you MUST have 8 hours sleep per night (or daily rest period)The law (RTA) does state that a driver must not drive tired
A LGV driver was recently prosecuted under that law
that may be the case ROG, but, where in the GV262-03, or any other legal document, state that you MUST have 8 hours sleep?
some people can function perfectly well on 4 hours, others need 10 hours
everybody is different
nick2008:
shuttlespanker:
for all the rules state, you could ■■■■■■■■■■ yourself stupid for 11 hours, then drive again, perfectly legal, as long as you kept the curtains closed in your time offno wonder you had this look
the start times for the following days work begin when you finish your previous shift so long as its either a reduced 9 or a statute 11. what a driver does in between is his business, but you cannot dictate to a planner what times you want to start because you have a long commute…seems like you work too far away…or your not into transport.
waynedl:
Finish at 0015 - refuses to start at 11am as it’s not enough time, says he’ll be in at 1pm - correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s 12hrs 45mins off.
Last time I checked, which was when I was a kid, but 12hrs 45mins was more than 11hrs
Finish at 00.15 start at 11.00 isn’t 11 hours either.At least 12 hours off is a reasonable demand.As for the bs EU limits or the idea that the ‘rules’ don’t set a reasonable sleep regime,that isn’t how the law will see it if a driver runs off the road or into something. 
ROG:
shuttlespanker:
can you show me anywhere in the GV262, or, in fact, any other official document, where it states that you MUST have 8 hours sleep per night (or daily rest period)The law (RTA) does state that a driver must not drive tired
A LGV driver was recently prosecuted under that law
The Gary Hart case says everything about it all being about how much sleep a driver has had if/when the zb hits the fan.
dozy:
My mate
Your mate. Riiiiiiiight 
raymundo:
And … why would he need 2 showers in the space of six hours, one a week is good enough for anyone
Whether you need it or not !