limeyphil:
mickyblue:
muckles:
limeyphil:
dbcooper:
if its over 7.5t gross you need to use tacho whether or not its private use, its a new strange ruling as you dont need o license if its private use but must use tachos 
,have had the same issues using a 13tonner for motor racing.
rubbish
No Fact! regs changed in 2007.
The following table shows current exemptions in the left hand column, comparing them to those which will come into force on 11 April 2007 in the right hand column.
Current Exemptions:
Vehicles used for the non-commercial carriage of goods and personal use.
New Exemptions:
Vehicles or combination of vehicles with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes used for the non-commercial carriage of goods.
Fact and also emergency vehicles are also exempt from it
exemptions which do not apply in this case.
the vehicle is over 3.5 tons, it is used commercially, it is not a 7.5 ton vehicle in an exempt class.
it dosn’t make any sense why they would even bother to refer to 7.5 tonners. you can drive a 44 tonner without a tacho, or o’licence for non commercial activities. but the fact remains you need an o’licence, and tacho for a vehicle over 3.5 tons, not 7.5 tons, unless it’s in an exempt class.
i don’t know where you got your info from, but it certainly isn’t the EU regs.
The original poster says the vehicle is for private use, just because the people who own are goping to Spain for competition it doesn’t mean it will be a business use. Some people are rich enough to do things like this, I know people who run classic racing cars, they’ll race all over europe, but it is for fun.
Sadly the other day I had to read the VOSA guidelines on at what point VOSA expects you to have a restricted O’Licence. They have a bit of lee way for minor winnings at sport or even running a freinds horse to a show for nothing more than Diesel money.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/10%20253a.pdf
"The need for a goods vehicle operator licence
In the majority of cases, goods vehicles with a gross plated weight of over 3.5 tonnes or, if there
is no plated weight, an unladen weight of over 1525 kg require a goods vehicle operator s licence,
if they are used to carry goods or burden of any description in connection with a trade or
business, or for hire or reward. However, generally, where a horsebox is used on an amateur
basis, we would not normally consider that the vehicle is being used for hire or reward, where it is
clear that the carriage of goods (in this case horses), is not with a view to making a profit.
Therefore, although we must point out in all correspondence that existing regulations do not
exempt private horseboxes from the requirements of operator licensing, we would not consider it
to be in the public interest to take any action where nothing more than petrol money or modest
prize money is involved.
“Modest prize money”.
Unfortunately, “modest prize money” has never been formally defined or quantified for the purpose of goods vehicle operator licensing. Nevertheless, where it is clear that there is only the prospect of nominal winnings which are merely incidental to the amateur activity, then VOSA would not consider that an operator’s licence would be required.
Where there is the likelihood of winning prize money is on a more regular basis (whether or not the activity is on an “amateur” basis) and any such success has attracted sponsorship -or any other form of corporate support -this may be construed as having a commercial element to it, where an operator’s licence may be required (N.B. this may include the vehicle bearing the sponsors name -in return for the financial support received)
Transporting a friend’s horse -in connection with amateur activity
VOSA will not take any action where it is clear that a friend’s horse is being transported for nothing more than petrol money, purely to cover costs -and where it is evident that there is no commercial element involved in the transport.
Therefore, if you only use the horsebox for “amateur” activities (see above) i.e you do not charge for horse transportation, no operator’s licence will be required.
As for the Tacho Regs, they changed the regs in 2007, which is where the Current and New exemption thing came from.
This is a link to VOSA current Tacho regs document.
dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/R … Europe.pdf
Page 14, under exemptions. 4th box down.
Vehicles or combinations of vehicles with a maximum permissible mass not exceeding 7.5 tonnes used for the non-commercial carriage of goods.
