wheelnutt:
it was the UK parliament who passed the act, only the UK parliament can amend or change it.
That is exactly what they will be doing when the government of the day return to parliament in 2019 for a yes/no vote on the completed terms negotiated for leaving the E.
If you are selling your house, and you need to get £200,000 and the estate agent has valued it between £200,000 and £235,000, do you put it on the market at £200,000 knowing that the likely outcome will be £185,000?
alte hase:
Carryfast:
Look on the bright side.Martyring Brexit now might arguably do more to help to smash the Federal zb pile in the longer term.By creating more allies across Europe having shown it up for the undemocratic Soviet style agenda it is.Than trying to save Farage’s failed derailed plan,which Cameron knew was rigged from the start.Look on the bright side yourselves, the decision that Parliament must approve an Act for Britain to secede from the EU isn’t bad news, as already alluded to by wheelnutt the in-out referendum result was not legally binding on the government, in exactly the same way the referendum to join the EU, or whatever it was called, was not binding on the government at that time.
No referendum was needed to join and certainly no referendum is needed to leave the EU. The only votes that count are those in Parliament, the house and seat of UK authority. Any UK government can at any time end the UK’s membership of the EU; provided they haave sufficient support in Parliament
If the government never thought that it needs the permission of a referendum, ‘to delegate its powers’ and thereby ‘democratic accountability’,to an unelected federal foreign power,it wouldn’t have bothered either in 1975 or now.Nor would Farage have bothered with all the aggro of a pointless so called ‘opinion poll’.Nor would any ‘opinion poll’ have required to be held under the same electoral rules used for parliamentary elections.Nor would we have the clear stated intention by the majority government of the day that it’s for the people to decide by way of referendum.Which is why our membership was affirmed in 1975 by referendum not by government vote the latter of which probably would have taken us out at that time.No surprise the remainers had no issues about that referendum vote being nothing more than an ‘opinion poll’.
As it stands we’ve got a bunch of raving Socialist/Federalists trying to take advantage of parliamentary sovereignty to hand that same sovereignty and with it democratic accountability over to foreign collectivised federal rule.In which case we can either settle the argument democratically or unfortunately,as is more likely in the longer term,by force.
IE this argument isn’t one of remain or leave it’s one of undemocratic dictatorial collectivised centralised Federal government v National sovereignty and democratic accountability.On that note I’m a remainer ( within a Confederal Europe which gives the National MEP groups sovereign right of opt out and substitution etc.Bearing in mind that I’d see that PR elected representation,as being superior to our own corrupt unfit for purpose parliamentary one,with it’s support of equally corrupt EU federal government ). 
wheelnutt:
Seriously? Nothing to do with the EU, it was the UK parliament who passed the act, only the UK parliament can amend or change it.It has everything to do with the centuries old parliamentary supremacy.
It actually has everything to do with the fact that parliament doesn’t have the constitutional right to delegate its powers to foreign unelected government as in the case of the EU federal system.Bearing in mind we have an unwritten constitution.No surprise that the Socialist/Federalist agenda would try to cherry pick only the bits it wants while ignoring the bits it doesn’t in that regard to further it’s own aims.On that note it’s ironic that an EU Federalist would be shouting about ( national ) parliamentary supremacy.Which is actually what the leave agenda is all about and the remain ( Federalist ) agenda stands against. 
express.co.uk/comment/expres … to-stay-on
When will this naive fool realise that not staying on as leader of UKIP isn’t an option and that UKIP can’t function without his continuing leadership.Or that BREXIT was doomed from the start with the so called ‘referendum’ ( opinion poll ) being a pointless diversionary trap put there by ( Federalist ) Cameron for him to walk into.
He now needs to call it what it is not a remain v leave argument but a European wide Federalist v anti Federalist fight that needs to be fought out in Europe as part of Europe.In which case UKIP was always in a stronger position by taking a remain line with it’s representation based on the MEP PR electoral system not the now proven corrupt and pointless UK parliamentary one.IE let’s now do what we should have done from the start by taking the fight to the remainers on their own turf within Europe on the basis of Confederal government v Federal and not bothering with the lost cause of the pointless corrupt undemocratic UK parliamentary system.Which uses its sovereignty only when it suits it for its own EU Federal government aims.
cav551:
So it’s back to the unwanted EU again. It got nothing to do with centuries-old constitutional rights establishing parliamentary sovereignty. It’s got a whole lot more to do with vested interests bankrolling this legal action because they are terrified that the abolition of free movement of people to the UK will threaten their profits derived from cheap imported labour.
I think you can add to that US government paranoia regarding secession and/or Confederal government v Federal,anywhere within what it considers as its sphere of influence.In this case Europe.Although a Trump win might be a game changer in that regard hence one of the reasons for the same establishment hatchet job being carried out against his bid for the US presidency.
With the announcement today of a tory mp resigning his seat and so triggering a by election, Nigel Farage has a few weeks to consider whether he will stand for parliament. He probably has a better chance of success this time around.
cav551:
With the announcement today of a tory mp resigning his seat and so triggering a by election, Nigel Farage has a few weeks to consider whether he will stand for parliament. He probably has a better chance of success this time around.
That was my local MP. Nice to see someone in office displaying principles and conviction (as opposed to convictions!) for once.
cav551:
With the announcement today of a tory mp resigning his seat and so triggering a by election, Nigel Farage has a few weeks to consider whether he will stand for parliament. He probably has a better chance of success this time around.
We’ll at least find out if he really is running scared of an establishment threat if he doesn’t at least either go for that.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e … m-36616740
Or could he do more damage to May’s obvious hidden remain agenda by going with my idea of changing UKIP’s position to remain and causing havoc within the EU parliament by building alliances with the anti Federal government groups across Europe.Bearing in mind UKIP’s much stronger position there under the PR electoral system.
On that note it’s clear that May is saying one thing while actually doing everything possible to help the remainers challenge to the referendum,by delaying Brexit probably now beyond return.Not surprising being that she’s a committed remainer obviously put there by Cameron.
the maoster:
cav551:
With the announcement today of a tory mp resigning his seat and so triggering a by election, Nigel Farage has a few weeks to consider whether he will stand for parliament. He probably has a better chance of success this time around.That was my local MP. Nice to see someone in office displaying principles and conviction (as opposed to convictions!) for once.
Is Farage eligible to stand in that seat? Would someone like yourself bother to vote for him?
The Tories are not standing a fresh blue-rosetted hatstand to go up against Zac Goldsmith in Richmond, who will be re-standing as an independent.
Perhaps the Tories might like to oblige in your constituency as well, so it’s a straight choice between UKIP Farage and LibLabFlab someone else? 
GORDON 50:
This court ruling is simply a case of the remainers not being happy with the referendum result (the will of the people) and are now doing whatever they can to overturn it. The judge was obviously a remainer, this Gina bird definitely is, and I’ve got a horrible feeling that they’ll get their way in the end, this referendum thing was a complete waste of time.
It just forces us up against a wall and says “Hard Brexit or No Brexit”.
It was always going to be hard, for those of us who voted Brexit for an actual decent reason.
A snap election would now blow this wide open. I wonder if Parliament would oblige by suspending the “Fixed Term Parliament Act” so a snap election CAN indeed be called by Theresa May?
the maoster:
cav551:
With the announcement today of a tory mp resigning his seat and so triggering a by election, Nigel Farage has a few weeks to consider whether he will stand for parliament. He probably has a better chance of success this time around.That was my local MP. Nice to see someone in office displaying principles and conviction
Depends on the definition of ‘principles’.His stance seems to be that of supporting Farron and Corbyn in not recognising the surpremacy of the referendum vote or the manifesto it was based on.Which is clearly that of hard Brexit done sooner rather than later.While the muppet is contradicting that by saying he wants soft Brexit ( EEA ) together with sovereignty.Which are both mutually exclusive especially in the case of free movement. 
On that note it’s no wonder that he can’t represent the views of massive Brexit vote constituency who knew exactly what they were voting for and who just want May to get on with delivering it.While reading between the lines it looks like he’s back tracking on the free movement issue at least probably based on the wishes of the ‘business community’ in his constituency.On that note I’d guess that his constituency rightly told him to do one rather than him wanting to throw away an MP’s salary on 'principle.
Winseer:
GORDON 50:
This court ruling is simply a case of the remainers not being happy with the referendum result (the will of the people) and are now doing whatever they can to overturn it. The judge was obviously a remainer, this Gina bird definitely is, and I’ve got a horrible feeling that they’ll get their way in the end, this referendum thing was a complete waste of time.It just forces us up against a wall and says “Hard Brexit or No Brexit”.
It was always going to be hard, for those of us who voted Brexit for an actual decent reason.
A snap election would now blow this wide open. I wonder if Parliament would oblige by suspending the “Fixed Term Parliament Act” so a snap election CAN indeed be called by Theresa May?
You’d need to be naive in the extreme to think that May,Corbyn and Farron aren’t all on the same side in this fight.On that note there’s no way that they’ll want to remove the insurance policy of the fixed term parliament that Cameron and Clegg had arranged in that regard obviously for precisely this possibility.In that they were always going to use it as delaying device to allow the establishment to over turn any potential leave vote.While even a snap election would be more likely to result in a majority LabLibDemCon Europhile MP alliance than any chance of transferring the Brexit referendum vote into a constituency boundary majority.
As for hard Brexit that’s exactly what the Leave referendum manifesto says.
I heard a guy on lbc last night with a very valid point. Article 50 isn’t the right way to go. All that does is hand the power to the eu, allowing them to dictate the terms as it’s our clock that’s ticking down. It also gives businesses a two year time frame to leave the uk, make people redundant etc. The best way to go is to repeal the European communities act, then you’re out the next day. Forcing all the “we’ll leave the uk” companies to ■■■■ it up and get on with it, and allowing us to set the pace on a negotiation deal
Brexit will continue .reading all this what ifs from remoaners and brexiters is all pointless
This referendum will change things.
The slime balls behind the propaganda machine
Are up to something that must eventually
Benefit them from all of this .Like printing leaflets about it during the debates ,who proffited there ?Like now with the pound up and down who proffited there ?
It is all about the big money gamblers .
The little man will be treated to a soft brexit .Or maybe even some other made up form of taxation
Will be bunged in somewhere .who knows what slimey nonsense is upon us .just look after your families and get on with it .
OVLOV JAY:
I heard a guy on lbc last night with a very valid point. Article 50 isn’t the right way to go. All that does is hand the power to the eu, allowing them to dictate the terms as it’s our clock that’s ticking down. It also gives businesses a two year time frame to leave the uk, make people redundant etc. The best way to go is to repeal the European communities act, then you’re out the next day. Forcing all the “we’ll leave the uk” companies to ■■■■ it up and get on with it, and allowing us to set the pace on a negotiation deal
Great attitude of yours or the guy on lbc. But its totally stupid. You leave without deal for the single market - what happen, financial market in UK collapse with the pound plummeting to the ground, people will go crazy and try to withdraw their savings from banks, does shutting them all down,car manufacturing stop export to the EU, because of tomorrow your are a third party country - 15% tariffs on cars by WTO etc. The whole country economy will collapse in a week. Without a deal the pound will worth less then a lev/zlota/krona, you can see what happen to the pound after a stupid UK gov statement, can you imagine what will happen of the pound if May do your idea of a plan: oh well we are out tomorrow, no deal in sight, but who cares we want out.
And because of the pound devalueting everything will be a lot more expensive, especially manufacturing of goods for whom you need to by raw materials in dollars in the international market.
Total joke of a comment of this guy on lbc…
You could negotiate deals with the rest of the world, good luck when you are on your own, small and bullied by everyone!
theguardian.com/politics/20 … trade-deal
“The EU is India’s largest trading partner … but exports from the UK to India have been declining,” he said, adding that trade would also be hit by the drop in sterling, which rallied on Friday.
“Now, exports from India to the UK will also decline because you’ve lost 18% of your pound’s value. So if I’m sending something to the UK and getting a lower return on it, I’m going to have a think about that. It’s a double hit.”
The picture is not uniformly bad: for some Indian businesses the impacts of Brexit present an opportunity, said Anuj Chande, a partner and head of the South Asia group at Grant Thornton.
“For those looking at acquisitions in the UK, the cost of those acquisitions has become much cheaper,” he said. “So we’re seeing increasing interest to buy into food manufacturing and distribution, and in the technology space.
“Equally, you’ve got a lot of Indian companies that aren’t necessarily looking to Britain as a launchpad into the EU but looking to capitalise on the design and experience of UK companies.”
Britain and India still shared deep cultural links that made it an attractive place to establish a base, he said.
“But the majority are concerned about what the future relationship with Europe is going to be, and if it’s going to go down the really hard Brexit route, then it’s going to raise some issues for Indian companies,” said Chande, amid great disagreement over what the Brexit deal should look like within the UK.
India’s pharmaceutical industry, expected to be worth more than £40bn by 2020, is one that might struggle to make large investments in the UK after Brexit.
London has been a hub for drug companies because the European Medicines Agency, which sets standards across the bloc, is headquartered in Canary Wharf. Spain and Sweden are reportedly among those already lobbying to be its new home.
India’s largest carmaker, Tata, will also be sweating over negotiations between Britain and the EU. About 90% of its value is ■■■■■■■ in the UK-based Jaguar Land Rover, which is dependent on European supply chains and markets that might soon attract steep duties.
The German Council of Economic Experts, who advise on policy to the German government, have urged Chancellor Angela Merkel to block Brexit.
Dolph:
OVLOV JAY:
I heard a guy on lbc last night with a very valid point. Article 50 isn’t the right way to go. All that does is hand the power to the eu, allowing them to dictate the terms as it’s our clock that’s ticking down. It also gives businesses a two year time frame to leave the uk, make people redundant etc. The best way to go is to repeal the European communities act, then you’re out the next day. Forcing all the “we’ll leave the uk” companies to ■■■■ it up and get on with it, and allowing us to set the pace on a negotiation dealGreat attitude of yours or the guy on lbc. But its totally stupid. You leave without deal for the single market - what happen, financial market in UK collapse with the pound plummeting to the ground, people will go crazy and try to withdraw their savings from banks, does shutting them all down,car manufacturing stop export to the EU, because of tomorrow your are a third party country - 15% tariffs on cars by WTO etc. The whole country economy will collapse in a week. Without a deal the pound will worth less then a lev/zlota/krona, you can see what happen to the pound after a stupid UK gov statement, can you imagine what will happen of the pound if May do your idea of a plan: oh well we are out tomorrow, no deal in sight, but who cares we want out.
And because of the pound devalueting everything will be a lot more expensive, especially manufacturing of goods for whom you need to by raw materials in dollars in the international market.
Total joke of a comment of this guy on lbc…
I’ll believe all the scare stories when costa and Starbucks start shutting coffee shops 
Stanley Knife:
The German Council of Economic Experts, who advise on policy to the German government, have urged Chancellor Angela Merkel to block Brexit.
But why. Surely it’s in Germany’s best interest for Brexit. Seeing as how banks are supposed to be flocking to Frankfurt or whatever. More scaremongering. They know we’ll be better off on our own and are ■■■■ scared their own people will want the same.
OVLOV JAY:
I heard a guy on lbc last night with a very valid point. Article 50 isn’t the right way to go.
Firstly it’s clear that article 50 is a document which effectively removes the right of secession of member states.While the whole judicial challenge is a corrupt red herring in that we’ve got a majority Conservative government which now has a referendum mandate for hard Brexit with no need for article 50 and obviously no chance of any challenge by parliamentary vote because that’s the definition of a parliamentary majority.In which case the only possible reason that it won’t do so is that Cameron’s bs referendum statement,that the ( Conservative ) ‘government’ would be bound by the referendum result,was a deliberate lie because the Europhile Con MP’s were never going to honour a Leave vote,let alone one based on a hard Brexit mandate,only a Remain one.