whisperingsmith: > Monkey241: > Try and define what a flag shagger is.
In Simple terms 0
Not all come from Yorkshire, Lancashire & Essex.
Quite a few have served as cannon fodder in the UK Military, so we can forgive them for their blind faith
Oh dear.
You need to try much much harder.
I’ll simply point out the bl##ding obvious: having served I really don’t care what someone who hasn’t thinks about me or my service.
And on Brexit? That response shows the utter nihilism of your position: you lost using a set of tactics exemplified by the gammon meme. So you repeat the same tactics expecting a different result.
msgyorkie:
Ok…Brexit is good because the end of free movement has stabilised the UK job market. Yes Mr Links you will provide a tedious link showing that Labour miscalculated the amount of people wanting to move from Eastern Europe so are to blame however if we was not in the EU then that mass movement of people would not have happened. When Turkey finally joins the EU then we shall be shielded from the millions wanting to take advantage of the freedom of movememnt.
Brexit is good because we have now shelved a complete layer of political apparatchik that can no longer interfere with our way of life plus the associated costs of financing them.
Yes I am aware of the negatives of Brexit, always was even to the point of visiting the EU Brussels visitor center in 2015 to understand what good the EU can be. But on balance I felt and still do that leave was very slightly more of a benefit to myself and my family than remaining.
Hope that helps
Thank you.
Yes, I would argue that the Blair Gov was wrong to drop the borders too soon. As you know that wasn`t EU law, but a National choice.
“If we werent in the EU"... is counter factual. We were. "If we werent in the EU”…we might have been “Airstrip One” or a mega-power or a pauper. Good for novelists and fanatsists, but not much else.
“When Turkey joins the EU”?
If the UK was still in the EU it would have a say in that. If we stay out we will have no say in that.
Maybe the Tory Gov will realise we have a shortage of EU labour and so bypass the EU and look for a trade deal with Turkey, or India, or wherever?
Personally I reckon a staying with the EU would have been better: we had the pain of Blairs mistake, now decades later we have the East Euro economies taking off, with better pay...*and now*...we get out crazy. By the way, Turkey joined The Council of Europe in 1950....after various toings and froings it is still not in. Talks stalled again in 2016 and the EU says it is moving away from the EU not nearer. Turkey doesnt seem that big an issue to me.
Have we got rid of an expensive layer of Government?
Or have we be doing without a layer of UK Gov for years, that we now need to replace?
Take safety standards, how about car headlights?
The EU has 27 countries each contributing 1/27 of the cost of a lab.
We will have 1 country paying everything.
OR
We accept the EU regs…After all we want to sell our cars in the EU dont we? So we just accept their standards. And manufacturers wont want to have a separate standard for a small UK market, compared with a bigger EU one. Too dear for them, or charge the UK consumer a premium. It dont look too good to me. Whereas before we had a say in what those standards were, now we dont. May not matter in all things, in some things it does.
whisperingsmith: > Monkey241: > I’ll simply point out the bl##ding obvious: having served I really don’t care what someone who hasn’t thinks about me or my service.
I think I served before you were even born Ape Man
Then you must be pretty close to being dead- although your brain appears to have atrophied already.
I doubt you were born when I was in Vietnam in the latter half of the 60s - gives me a few bragging rights over those that were at the Iranian Embassy and just missed the Herald of Free Enterprise.
whisperingsmith:
I doubt you were born when I was in Vietnam in the latter half of the 60s - gives me a few bragging rights over those that were at the Iranian Embassy and just missed the Herald of Free Enterprise.
Odd that.
I had a mate on the Herald of Free Enterprise.
At least one of us is honest [emoji16]
msgyorkie:
Ok…Brexit is good because the end of free movement has stabilised the UK job market. Yes Mr Links you will provide a tedious link showing that Labour miscalculated the amount of people wanting to move from Eastern Europe so are to blame however if we was not in the EU then that mass movement of people would not have happened. When Turkey finally joins the EU then we shall be shielded from the millions wanting to take advantage of the freedom of movememnt.
Brexit is good because we have now shelved a complete layer of political apparatchik that can no longer interfere with our way of life plus the associated costs of financing them.
Yes I am aware of the negatives of Brexit, always was even to the point of visiting the EU Brussels visitor center in 2015 to understand what good the EU can be. But on balance I felt and still do that leave was very slightly more of a benefit to myself and my family than remaining.
Hope that helps
Thank you.
Yes, I would argue that the Blair Gov was wrong to drop the borders too soon. As you know that wasn`t EU law, but a National choice.
“If we werent in the EU"... is counter factual. We were. "If we werent in the EU”…we might have been “Airstrip One” or a mega-power or a pauper. Good for novelists and fanatsists, but not much else.
“When Turkey joins the EU”?
If the UK was still in the EU it would have a say in that. If we stay out we will have no say in that.
Maybe the Tory Gov will realise we have a shortage of EU labour and so bypass the EU and look for a trade deal with Turkey, or India, or wherever?
Personally I reckon a staying with the EU would have been better: we had the pain of Blairs mistake, now decades later we have the East Euro economies taking off, with better pay...*and now*...we get out crazy. By the way, Turkey joined The Council of Europe in 1950....after various toings and froings it is still not in. Talks stalled again in 2016 and the EU says it is moving away from the EU not nearer. Turkey doesnt seem that big an issue to me.
Have we got rid of an expensive layer of Government?
Or have we be doing without a layer of UK Gov for years, that we now need to replace?
Take safety standards, how about car headlights?
The EU has 27 countries each contributing 1/27 of the cost of a lab.
We will have 1 country paying everything.
OR
We accept the EU regs…After all we want to sell our cars in the EU dont we? So we just accept their standards. And manufacturers wont want to have a separate standard for a small UK market, compared with a bigger EU one. Too dear for them, or charge the UK consumer a premium. It dont look too good to me. Whereas before we had a say in what those standards were, now we dont. May not matter in all things, in some things it does.
So therefore able to controll our flow of immigration. Immigration (of which I whole heartedly support when controlled) needs for the UK not the EU
OwenMoney:
No. What are the benefit’s to Brexit. I am in France . I don’t see any. Brexit is not in the press here. What have you got better ?
With all due respect, how Brexit would affect people who live in Europe wasn’t a concern of mine nor many others when I voted to leave in 2016. I don’t live or work in those countries, I voted to leave based on what I felt was best for the country I live in and for my family and now 2 young kids.
As for better, well the monthly amount of money that goes into my bank account each month has significantly increased in the last year because of Brexit.
Ok.
So, Thank you.
You have more money . That’s nice . Long overdue.
What else changes ? Where else benefits/ loss ?
Yes, the “more money” is a pretty important one. I have 2 young kids, a mortgage and bills to pay. I want to be able to give my kids the best life possible and best start in life by earning as much as possible so I can fund the usual things like their first car, Uni fee’s/living costs, house deposit etc, so if that upsets someone in France, Spain or wherever because I voted for Brexit then tough!
One of the major factors of Brexit and why vote leave won was that uncontrolled mass immigration suppresses wages and that’s a fact. Another fact is the unprecedented wage increases across the board from drivers all over the country in the last 6 -12 months, coincidence■■? … and no Franglais I am not providing “a link” to back up that point of view as I don’t need too!
As for other benefits, being able to negotiate our own trade deals outside of the EU, no more being governed by an unelected body and everything that brings, being able to make our own rules and regs.
Are there going to be negatives and things we have to adapt to by not being part of the EU, yes 100%. That’s the funny thing though, people who voted leave realise this as opposed to some on here who wanted remain and refuse to acknowledge anything positive about leaving.
OwenMoney:
No. What are the benefit’s to Brexit. I am in France . I don’t see any. Brexit is not in the press here. What have you got better ?
With all due respect, how Brexit would affect people who live in Europe wasn’t a concern of mine nor many others when I voted to leave in 2016. I don’t live or work in those countries, I voted to leave based on what I felt was best for the country I live in and for my family and now 2 young kids.
As for better, well the monthly amount of money that goes into my bank account each month has significantly increased in the last year because of Brexit.
Ok.
So, Thank you.
You have more money . That’s nice . Long overdue.
What else changes ? Where else benefits/ loss ?
Yes, the “more money” is a pretty important one. I have 2 young kids, a mortgage and bills to pay. I want to be able to give my kids the best life possible and best start in life by earning as much as possible so I can fund the usual things like their first car, Uni fee’s/living costs, house deposit etc, so if that upsets someone in France, Spain or wherever because I voted for Brexit then tough!
One of the major factors of Brexit and why vote leave won was that uncontrolled mass immigration suppresses wages and that’s a fact. Another fact is the unprecedented wage increases across the board from drivers all over the country in the last 6 -12 months, coincidence■■? … and no Franglais I am not providing “a link” to back up that point of view as I don’t need too!
As for other benefits, being able to negotiate our own trade deals outside of the EU, no more being governed by an unelected body and everything that brings, being able to make our own rules and regs.
Are there going to be negatives and things we have to adapt to by not being part of the EU, yes 100%. That’s the funny thing though, people who voted leave realise this as opposed to some on here who wanted remain and refuse to acknowledge anything positive about leaving.
A fact that was insistently denied during the campaign
Franglais:
If you want to discuss the benefits of Brexit, you are free to tell me, and Owen, W.S., everyone, what they are.
Please do.
If you know of benefits, but cant find any links to them...I will confess to being doubtful of them. After all all of here are OK-ish on www arent we?
No need for a link for a point of view. Probably a link for evidence about facts that support that point of view.
If I say Brexit is rubbish. That is a point of view.
If you Breixt is good. Point of view. Conversation over.
OR
If I tell you that Brexit is rubbish because costing us all ten billion pounds a minute, that supports my point of view. I doubt you would believe me, without a link.
I wouldnt blame you either . Everyone knows its nearer twenty billion quid a second!
Benefits of Brexit and my opinion on it, see my post above in reply to Owen - not typing it again.
As for your link obsession then if I wanted to find “links” to my point of view and what I believe are benefits I could, I just can’t be bothered and don’t see it necessary. As I said previously, I go out and about in the real world with my eyes open and am able to see what is going on out there.
Like mentioned in my post to Owen above, the significant extra money I have received (thanks to Brexit) in the last year for doing the same job is all the “proof” and “facts” I need.
While we are on the subject, of all the stories and links you provide about the negatives of Brexit, how many actually affect YOU directly in your day to day life like a large wage rise does for instance in my case?
Franglais:
If you want to discuss the benefits of Brexit, you are free to tell me, and Owen, W.S., everyone, what they are.
Please do.
If you know of benefits, but cant find any links to them...I will confess to being doubtful of them. After all all of here are OK-ish on www arent we?
No need for a link for a point of view. Probably a link for evidence about facts that support that point of view.
If I say Brexit is rubbish. That is a point of view.
If you Breixt is good. Point of view. Conversation over.
OR
If I tell you that Brexit is rubbish because costing us all ten billion pounds a minute, that supports my point of view. I doubt you would believe me, without a link.
I wouldnt blame you either . Everyone knows its nearer twenty billion quid a second!
Benefits of Brexit and my opinion on it, see my post above in reply to Owen - not typing it again.
As for your link obsession then if I wanted to find “links” to my point of view and what I believe are benefits I could, I just can’t be bothered and don’t see it necessary. As I said previously, I go out and about in the real world with my eyes open and am able to see what is going on out there.
Like mentioned in my post to Owen above, the significant extra money I have received (thanks to Brexit) in the last year for doing the same job is all the “proof” and “facts” I need.
While we are on the subject, of all the stories and links you provide about the negatives of Brexit, how many actually affect YOU directly in your day to day life like a large wage rise does for instance in my case?
Brexiteers are apparently the stuff of unicorns, yet all the evidence on here suggests we actually had a very pragmatic view of Brexit.
