Spot on mate. Something lefty bedwetters cannot seem to get their head around.
Many people voted Brexit to gain control on immigration. Look what happened, the establishment could never ever accept the result and proved it by their calls for a second referendum. We live in a so called democracy yet the very people at the top of our democracy couldn’t accept the democratic vote. Many of the last Tory cabinet were remainers, hardly the perfect scenario to embrace and carry out what the public had voted for.
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Are you suggesting that there were no restrictions on migration before Brexit?
That is clearly not true. That is you trying to make an impact.
Drs etc need to get informed consent from a patient before an operation. The referendum was not made on information, but on misinformation and lies.
The Brexit referendum was about Leaving The EU.
It was not about immigration policies any future Govs might have.
It was not even about what sort of exit it would be.
An exit with total free trade sought by some with unrestricted imports and exports, or a more restrictive regime with tariffs on all imports as we become more self sufficient.
Many politicians sold it as a vote on migration, many voted on that basis, but the question was not about that.
The assumption many made was that Brexit would reduce migration.
Another assumption was that reduced migration would make us better off. That is a basic misunderstanding of how western economies work. A lie.
Politicians, lies, never?
The point I was making was that the last government, going forwards, NEVER embraced Brexit. " Taking back control of our borders" really?
Agree to a degree
Politicians, lies, never?
And so once again
Hey franglais, what’s your take on why many European countries are very much turning to the right in politics? Could it possibly be to do with mass uncontrolled immigration? There’s a lesson to be learned for our politicians.
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Only back on this thread at you, as I aint sussed how to PM on this latest kin site.
Go back to the start of this thread, go on the political thread, go on the old covid threads…you are wasting your time arguing with this guy…I found that out only too well.
On this particular thread you are feeding his obsession, he will perpetuate it for years…as he has done already.
On the political thread (and in fact the old covid one ) you are arguing with some brainwashed type borg, and his pathetic liberal lefty views are immovable.
You can never get him to admit he is wrong, even when he is, as his opinions are strictly formed by official rhetoric and narrative…and he sticks to them like glue…
But then he eventually gets frustrated culminating in pseudo bravado , crossing the line in fact, saying to people what he would never say to your face, as he knows he is safe hiding behind his computer.
I tried the tactic of banging on about a specific couple of issues, (The blatant 2 tier system,.and illegal immigrants) safe in the knowledge I was accurate glaringly so in fact, to anyone who had open eyes, but not him.
Just to basically show him up, to him trying to defend the indefensible and giving a grossly innacurate opposing opinion contrary to actual reality (aka Comical Ali 
) it worked lije clockwork on many occasions.
It may even have worked as he is very quiet on there now and took to ignoring me virtually I notice .
So unless you are prepared for another 5 years of arguing over a done deal, maybe best to turn it in.
Well rr, I do actually have a life like you, I just appear sporadically and generally he usually jumps on most things I post so I post back, when I want a laugh at his expense. He does certainly have a way of selective answering. I do find it hard to believe his obsession with ANYTHING Brexit related even after all the years.
Maybe get a life sums him up.
Of course politicians lie. Some more than others, but there ya go.
Some offer simple solutions to complicated problems.
Leave the EU and it’ll all be upsides and no downsides.
It doesn’t matter a toss whether or not a Gov embraced Brexit!
The whole premise that leaving would solve problems without cost was nonsense, it was a lie. A lie told by y’know politicians.
Believing a lie really, really, sincerely does not make the truth. Embracing nonsense does not make it sense.
I can embrace the idea that the next Gov will raise public spending on the NHS, pensions for the elderly, and drop taxes for all.
Doesn’t mean for a second it is going to happen. No matter how much I want to believe in it, doesn’t matter how much anyone embraces it, it is not possible to do it.
Are there issues with immigration? Of course there are.
Are EU countries dealing with them in different ways? Yes they are.
Are any saying it is necessary to commit self harm by leaving the EU? I don’t think so.
So going back to why many people voted for Brexit, it was to take back control of our borders, ie immigration. Given the ex Tory government gave us the vote and we voted in favour of it and after BJ went Sunak lined his government with mostly remainers, even bringing back Cameron, hardly helpful, hardly embracing the task in hand given democracy had spoken.
No. I’m talking about the mass immigration problems and the way voters are turning in other countries, it’s not just this bigoted and racist land, is it?
So AFTER Brexit was negotiated, and AFTER we had left the EU, we had a Cabinet that thought Brexit was not a good thing.
So what?
In the 2019 election the Tories had a pro Brexit Manifesto, anti Brexit candidates were dropped, the Johnson Cabinet was overwhelmingly pro Brexit. It was them that gave us the deal we had. Not Sunak’s Gov.
It really is foolish believing the nonsense that Farage and others come out with: If I was in charge I would have got a better deal etc etc. The gobby bloke in the pub who can run the footie team better!
Yes!
They voted for Brexit to control immigration.
Brexit does not control immigration.
They could vote for a party that promises to give us sunny days and 4hrs rain every night between 01hr00 and 05hr00.
They could get a cabinet that embraces that policy. They can really believe in that policy.
It is still nonsense!
And in what way has Brexit improved anything?
Politicians lie, we have already covered that.
Politicians lie, we have already covered that.
I’m talking about voters turning to right wing parties across mainland Europe, what’s Brexit got to do with how they choose to vote?
You are confusing yourself now.
You started by saying that immigration was the reason many wanted Brexit.
I pointed out that Brexit has little to do with immigration.
You said that politicians lie. I agree.
Those who told you Brexit would fix all immigration issues were lying.
You said that other EU countries are concerned about immigration. I agree.
They are not thinking of leaving the EU in order to deal with those issues.
It is you who is still conflating Brexit with world wide immigration issues.
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And the same lying politicians who told you leaving the EU would fix all immigration issues, are now saying that leaving the ECHR will fix all immigration issues.
Simple fixes to complicated problems.
What the f*** are you on about man? I simply said that many European nations have politically gone to the right.
Imagine the millions of brexiteers now tearing their hair out because of a cheese award 
It is important to remember that a wide spectrum of citizens voted for Brexit, from both the right and left wing and in between. They voted variously on issues such as democracy / accountability or immigration etc.
Several years on, both the intended and the unintended consequences of Brexit are unfolding.
Brexit voters cannot be held responsible, having voted in good faith, for the unintended consequences; any more than those who voted in good faith for Tony Blair can be held responsible for the destruction of Iraq, the death of its leader, the displacement and death of millions of citizens and the ongoing death throes of a sovereign nation.
A very good post that sums things up in a nutshell.
We were let down with Brexit by those given the task of making it work, done in a lip service/being seen to way.rsther than a genuine desired way.
All this boll ocks put about by whingers about certain MP personalities who appeared to be all for it trying to implement it, just illustrates that Politicians in general can not be trusted., They went through the motions, because they HAD to reluctantly…after the surprise of the result.
Love him or hate him, if the likes of Farage had been in charge, even if it had not been fully succesful, he would have given it a bloody good go.
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I once suggested to Franglais that he took politics and especially the ‘B’ word far too seriously and too much on his own shoulders so to chill out.
I then suggested he should take up a hobby,… stamp collecting ?..or a bit of p0rn …both poles apart btw.
So whilst sat here bored with life and browsing, I came across this…and 1 person sprang immediately to mind.
Combined politics and p0rn with his favourite subject…
Yep it’s all here a film called…wait for it…
HARD BREXXXIT.
It’s got it all for the closet politician seeking a bit of titillation, available from your favourite internet source.
Got to say I aint watched it, just kinda dipped into it, but it aint gonna win any Oscars.
But if politics, Brexit, and boobies float yer boat, check it out.
Double whammy it has also bumped the (in) famous Brexit thread to the top.
On one hand I’d be curious to watch this, but on the other hand I’d be petrified of what would happen if my missus saw this on my internet history and how much the divorce would cost me seeing as we only got married 18 months ago.
2 words ‘Incognito tab’ …
You’re welcome.
As for my Mrs ?
Nah…She knows exactly what I’m like.
She gave up trying to control me or change me years ago…but tbf she has managed to ‘tame’ me a bit, in fact I’m quite civilised these days.
18 months?
Bit of advice take it or leave it…it’s what I told my 2 lads.
Set ground rules from day 1, and mark your territory.
Never give yer mates up…
Have a better quality of life if ya do.
Courtesy of ‘Rob’s marriage guidance’…and free of charge.
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