philgor:
i personally do in my own car and often go through the box (up and down) with out using the clutch…
Why? Is it an automatic?
x plate 1.8 manual civic i’ll be in 5th by 25mph, it’ll lug down to 20mph in 5th before i have to change gear.
as for the clutchless bit, i had to drive nurse a car around for a while with a slipping clutch, so i used the clutch as little as possable.
scanny77:
i very very rarely get a manual gearbox in a truck these days but i do block change when the occasion permits
i do block change in my car too both up and down the gears. usually 3rd to 5th joining a motorway and vice versa when leaving a motorway. 1st to 3rd in town or 2nd to 4th if i expect to be sitting at 30 for a while
same here, 1st for moving off then in to 3rd then 5th, only use 2nd and 4th when i can be arsed…
What’s with Daf telling you to start from 1st? It’s little more than a crawler gear and as soon as you’re moving, you block change anyway, defeating the object.
Muckaway:
What’s with Daf telling you to start from 1st? It’s little more than a crawler gear and as soon as you’re moving, you block change anyway, defeating the object.
what a load of ■■■■■■■■ that little sticker in the window on a daf is lol.
in my old 8 wheel CF(8 speed),i always pulled away in second unless really heavy and on a big hill,third if pointing downhill.
i had this motor for over five years,and it had a really hard life-lots of offroad work at times,and lots of central london,and all of it rush rush rush!despite this it was still on its original clutch after over 400,000 kms when it was sold,which i thought was pretty good going considering the work it was on.i wanted to keep it!!
i had an i-shift fmx after ,and the default starting gear on that was 5th,in the 12 speed box
Muckaway:
What’s with Daf telling you to start from 1st? It’s little more than a crawler gear and as soon as you’re moving, you block change anyway, defeating the object.
Pulling away in first is to prolong the life of the clutch when vehicle is loaded,ZF reject warranty claims when signs of too large a step between gears is evident ,or there hasn’t been proper clutch separation ,and it is pretty obvious when the box is stripped…I find a large amount of gearbox failure is generally down to river abuse due to the above
Muckaway:
What’s with Daf telling you to start from 1st? It’s little more than a crawler gear and as soon as you’re moving, you block change anyway, defeating the object.
Pulling away in first is to prolong the life of the clutch when vehicle is loaded,ZF reject warranty claims when signs of too large a step between gears is evident ,or there hasn’t been proper clutch separation ,and it is pretty obvious when the box is stripped…I find a large amount of gearbox failure is generally down to river abuse due to the above
yes we know its to prevent clutch wear etc,but in 5 years i didnt pull away in first except the odd occasions, so surely 1st every time wasnt neccesary? if i felt i was abusing it i would not have done it.
however i do think each vehicle is different,and it is down to the driver to gauge what gear its happiest pulling away in…
Can someone explain how you change gear in a manual car without using the clutch? Surely this would damage the gearbox,or am i being thick?
On the block change subject ,i often block change with opticruise as the gaps between 2nd and 4th are worthless. I always drive in manual anyway so seems pointless going through all those gears.
Essexboy:
Can someone explain how you change gear in a manual car without using the clutch? Surely this would damage the gearbox,or am i being thick?
For changing up just ease off the gas, as you do apply slight pressure to the gear lever towards neutral. It will easily disengage the current gear.
Then apply slight pressure towards the gear you want, it should just drop in. Don’t rush it, take your time and don’t force it. If it doesn’t want to engage, just blip the throttle. Once practiced you’ll find you don’t need to.
Going down is a little more difficult as you need to apply gas to match the revs to the road speed for the new gear.
Easiest to practice on is 3rd to 4th. Getting down to 1st takes a little more practice
If the clutch has failed. i.e. cable snapped so you have no clutch, you adjust your driving so that you try to avoid complete stops. If forced to stop you knock it into neutral just before stopping. Switch off the engine, engage first and start it in gear to get going again.
Drivers have brought fully laden trucks back from Europe and beyond including on and off ferries like that in years gone by.
Essexboy:
Can someone explain how you change gear in a manual car without using the clutch? Surely this would damage the gearbox,or am i being thick?
For changing up just ease off the gas, as you do apply slight pressure to the gear lever towards neutral. It will easily disengage the current gear.
Then apply slight pressure towards the gear you want, it should just drop in. Don’t rush it, take your time and don’t force it. If it doesn’t want to engage, just blip the throttle. Once practiced you’ll find you don’t need to.
Going down is a little more difficult as you need to apply gas to match the revs to the road speed for the new gear.
Easiest to practice on is 3rd to 4th. Getting down to 1st takes a little more practice
If the clutch has failed. i.e. cable snapped so you have no clutch, you adjust your driving so that you try to avoid complete stops. If forced to stop you knock it into neutral just before stopping. Switch off the engine, engage first and start it in gear to get going again.
Drivers have brought fully laden trucks back from Europe and beyond including on and off ferries like that in years gone by.
isnt it just being lazy not using the clutch in the car? and yes i can drive mr Fuller’s brilliant constant mesh gearboxes without using the clutch except to start and stop lol-just seems pointless in the car…
I suppose it is being lazy. But if you practice until you can do it, then one day it might get you home and save a big tow in fee.#
Once had a cable snap on a car just pulling out of Oxford services. I drove it home to Preston and backed it in the drive.
Had the hydraulic slave cylinder pipe let go on my Scania 112 years back just as I was pulling off the M40 to park up for the night. (OK what’s with the M40 & clutch failures?)
Drove it (laden) onto the nearest industrial estate, revered into a side road and parked up. Just what I was going to do anyway. Got it fixed whilst I was off duty & didn’t lose any time up time.
