bubsy06:
ROG:
The question is - why are they paint and not a solid barrierThe answer is … I’ll let you folks (especially the newbies) tell me
what the one in the pic?
Yes 
but the answer applies to them all for a truck driver
if their is an artic coming from the left and wants to turn right it wouldnt be able to if their were barriers
bubsy06:
if their is an artic coming from the left and wants to turn right it wouldnt be able to if their were barriers
Exactly 
- so they put the paint there for large vehicle drivers to use if necessary and the fact that they are solid lines makes no difference.
ROG:
The question is - why are they paint and not a solid barrierThe answer is … I’ll let you folks (especially the newbies) tell me
Because paint is cheaper.
I reckon they are there to bring cars entering the main road at a better angle to see the traffic. So if this is the case then it should be no problem entering it with a truck if this achieves the same objective.
As far a I understand you can enter hatched area with caution if the line are broken, but not if they are solid.
Rule 130
As for the OP, I think I’ve used all those techniques at various times. I prefer to bring the cab round, so I can see, especially with a left ■■■■■■ as they probably think I can see them even though they can’t actually see the driver. 
It appears we have confusion over this one. Now where have I heard that before? Oh now I remember. It’s the old grey DSA area chesnut again.
So car drivers aswell as LGV drivers can cross the solid hatch markings after all, depending on the width of the white line in question.
Is that correct? 
Heres a couple of pics showing what the Fresnel lense does, i took these today especially for you on a side street in Manchester.
With window down (without lense) you can just see the roof rack bar of the car and the ariel.
with window up (with lense)
they really help in a left ■■■■■■ at junctions and especially roundabouts, they just look a bit gay though. 
muckles:
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As far a I understand you can enter hatched area with caution if the line are broken, but not if they are solid.
Rule 130
The Highway Code - General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders (103 to 158) - Guidance - GOV.UK
I know that Legal rule well but circumstance that are reasonable and necessary for the size of vehicle will over-rule that as SAFETY over-rules everything.
Same thing would apply if a very sharp left turn was done by an artic into a tight side street from a single carriageway that had double white lines - the artic would have to cross the solid lines into the opposing lane to do the turn.
pecjam23:
How do you handle a blind spot junction if you’re turning right in an HGV with a sleeper cab with or without electric mirrors?There are several on routes I do and every time I approach those junctions all I can do is take my seat belt off and lean really far forward to see if any traffic is coming from the left hand side, the electric mirrors (if i have them) won’t bend out that far as the road is at that sort of an angle.
I’d like not to think asking this I may as well be admitting I’m an incompetent driver and should just hand my licence in now and leave quietly.
cheers
James
As you approach the give way, move out to the right of your lane and then turn back left so that as you hit the give way line, you are at right angles to the road going across in front of you. You can then see left and right clearly.
The other way to do it is to move as left as far as possible then turn to the right as you approach the give way line so you can use your wide view mirror but I prefer the first way.
pecjam23:
I’d like not to think asking this I may as well be admitting I’m an incompetent driver and should just hand my licence in now and leave quietly.
The incompetent driver would be the one who did not know how to do it, did not ask, tried it their way and got it wrong with the addition of possibly causing an incident where someone got hurt or worse
ROG:
Martin:
Like this one!
Not too bad in an artic but in a rigid it’s almost impossible to pull out safely.
Agree - in an artic the cab can be taken into the hatched area and angled square to the main road - no prob,
In a rigid the only way to ensure vision is to do the same as the artic unit BUT it will leave the tail end across the oncoming lane nad if that is the only way that vision can be got then that is what is done.
If anyone wonders how I know that this is legal and deemed safe by the traffic police is that I had a worse one than this in Stroud that I did regular but there was a hedge on the right blocking any view for those entering my road from my right.
Sure enough it had to happen - a motorcycle whips in from my right and has a spill in trying to avoid my rear end which covers the whole of the incoming lane.
Cops called - bike damaged - rider was unhurt but shocked - but was even more shocked to get a booking for dangerous ridingAs the cop said - You should be able to stop safely in the distance you can see to be clear and the large vehicle - me - needed to be in that position for safety.
Why is that junction engineered like it is? . Even though I don’t know it,
that junction never used to look like that. So why has it been changed?
As for the truck emerge I would agree with Conor. On this junction that looks like an easy option.
The fresnel lens should be a legal requirement. The are bloody amazing things.
chippy:
Why is that junction engineered like it is? …
costs money to do other
ROG:
muckles:
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As far a I understand you can enter hatched area with caution if the line are broken, but not if they are solid.
Rule 130
The Highway Code - General rules, techniques and advice for all drivers and riders (103 to 158) - Guidance - GOV.UKI know that Legal rule well but circumstance that are reasonable and necessary for the size of vehicle will over-rule that as SAFETY over-rules everything.
Same thing would apply if a very sharp left turn was done by an artic into a tight side street from a single carriageway that had double white lines - the artic would have to cross the solid lines into the opposing lane to do the turn.
I hope you don’t think I was trying to pick you up on the hatched area rule, the reason I posted the rule was because comments were made about the thickness of the line governed whether you could cross it or not. which I believed to be wrong.
In this situation I would cross the solid line if it gave me a better view and I felt it was safe. The only thing I would say about crossing solid white lines is proceed with caution.
A. other vehicle may not expect you to be there
B. If you were in a collision, the fact you were across a solid white line will go against you.
muckles:
I hope you don’t think I was trying to pick you up on the hatched area rule,
In this situation I would cross the solid line if it gave me a better view and I felt it was safe. The only thing I would say about crossing solid white lines is proceed with caution.
A. other vehicle may not expect you to be there
B. If you were in a collision, the fact you were across a solid white line will go against you.
Not at all
I forgot to say that bit
B. If you were in a collision, the fact you were across a solid white line will go against you
B. If you were in a collision, the fact you were across a solid white line MAY go against you if it was deemed that you could have done it safer.
ROG:
B. If you were in a collision, the fact you were across a solid white line MAY go against you if it was deemed that you could have done it safer.
The problem will be trying to justify your actions to a bunch of car drivers who don’t understand how much space a truck needs.
muckles:
ROG:
B. If you were in a collision, the fact you were across a solid white line MAY go against you if it was deemed that you could have done it safer.The problem will be trying to justify your actions to a bunch of car drivers who don’t understand how much space a truck needs.
More likely to a traffic police officer who should understand.
Would the junction have been a scene of a major RTC or two, and the problem may have been caused by the straight liner major to minor merchant’s, turning right .
Or as can be seen by the anti skid surface approach speed was to fast, taking into consideration zones of vision.
I would believe my first diagnosis would be the problem.
In reply to Muckes question? No I wasn’t. 
I agree that double or solid white lines on a road are not to be crossed, but ghost islands and mini roundabouts are designed to be used by HGV’s
However as for the problem you asked about, sometimes just hanging back or stopping short of a junction is enough to see properly. I drive a left ■■■■■■ and often find it is the only way, for instance even joining the A38 from the A50 can be difficult or the worst place considering it was designed for foreigners is the roundabout from the M20 to Ashford truckstop.
I came off J18 M6 yesterday, hung back at the top and a tanker coming round realised why I had stopped and he blocked the roundabout to let me out 
Thanks mate.
kindle530:
Heres a couple of pics showing what the Fresnel lense does, i took these today especially for you on a side street in Manchester.
With window down (without lense) you can just see the roof rack bar of the car and the ariel.
with window up (with lense)
they really help in a left ■■■■■■ at junctions and especially roundabouts, they just look a bit gay though.
What & frilly curtains don’t 
You wouldn’t have such a big blind spot if you didn’t have half the window covered with said ‘macho’ frilly curtain, you usually make a lot of sense Kindle but on this subject…
Now to my opionion, just position the unit so that you can see & you have no blindspot anymore, simple really, even if it means using the whole of the available tarmac or even bouncing the front wheels up the kerb, whatever the legallities of that, it’s got to be better than having a bike/car/bus/lorry smash into you as you pull out unsighted