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Snarley:
I deliver regular to mail centres, and I agree, some of them are mad.

Did you know that the start rate class 1 is £27k pa !!!

Inside London maybe…
If it had been that where I worked, I wouldn’t have left! :open_mouth:

Nb. Start rate should mean what you get paid for a flat 36.25 hour week (with unpaid breaks on top to be taken) driving C+E every day Monday-Friday on a shift pattern that finishes no later than 8pm each night. This was £24,500 the year I left (2010) and for it to be £27k by now, they’d have to have had a 10% pay rise over less than the 3 years that have gone since - all when pay was on “mark time” as it was.

Andrejs:

sapper:
Winseer, why do you assume Agency drivers for Royal Mail, it doesn’t matter who you work for, but some people on here assume all agency drivers are [zb], I am currently an agency driver, 1, because it suits my lifestyle and 2, because all the eastern european barstewards have undercut the rate for my job and all agencies are [zb] if anyone wants to give a highly experienced hgv driver a job, please mail me. ■■■■ it open a bottle of wine.

Sapper

The reason that you need the dots is because you were trying to use a banned word.
The rule is that you type it, then leave it to the auto censor. dd.

wages undercut not Eastern Europian,wages underut present time.Eastern Europian fill this driving possition because somebody must do this job,.

‘Somebody must do this job’?at any wage?not really,if we hadn’t allowed our country to be open to all and sundry,then 1)some of the ‘economically inactive’ who already lived here could’ve done/been made to do it,2)chances are it would pay a decent rate,instead of some firm/agency/parasite being able to exploit the cheap labour from east europe to the detriment of the man looking to make a decent wage?

Cheap labour wouldn’t be there if people could afford to pay the rent out of minimum wages.

They can’t of course, which I blame for why so many local workers don’t want to pay £30 a day to commute to a job that only pays £200 a week. It’s not laziness, it’s simple math.

On the other hand, bring 6 people over who don’t mind living together, stick them all in the same house with a £1500 per month rent all claiming housing benefit, and bob’s your uncle.

The benefit system needs to be changed ahead of any immigration policy changes is what I’m saying.

If you could only get benefits after paying full stamp NI for 10 years or more, then things would be a lot different around the UK.
Rents would fall, landlords would go bust, but Wages would rise, and there would be staff shortages because more and more people would refuse to do poorly-paid work at some distance from the worker. The employer is thus encouraged to build up local firms rather than have only fancy premises in posher areas, and then expect to pay someone out of town rock-bottom wages to staff the place.

It’s time we stopped looking to the so-called “captains of industry” to create the jobs. Removing Employer rather than employee sloth will create the jobs pickup that’s needed. Middle classes need to be sticked into action a bit, instead of hoarding their money in loss-making bank accounts and moaning about the returns.

True investment isn’t encouraged in this country, and hasn’t been for some time. Even a big factory proposed has it’s owner passing around the begging bowl for “government subsidy” as some kind of bribe for “building it here”.

Like the ■■■■ Commandant, Firms are only “following orders” of the succession of foolish governments we’ve had in this country that encourage the wrong things in our economy, whilst aiding and abetting damaging business practices that do nothing but perpetuate such economic woes.

Nationalise the firms that are leeching money OUT of the economy rather than allowing the same firms to privatize all the money, whilst nationalising all the passed-on debts and job losses that go with such privatized profits.

ahh good old Royal Mail :grimacing:

early 2005 i did some agency driving for them up in glasgow, has to be the only place where the union bloke said
“look pal its like this if you get back in the depot before 11 hours then youll not work in here again”
All i had to do was drive a 7.5 tonner from springburn down to the golden fleece , and the swap with the one coming up from england .

must have been the only time ive done agency work and been told not to get a move an ,is it no wonder that they are so expensive to send items with ,

Until very recently, RM recruited and trained it’s own lorry drivers in house. You worked your way up from being a Postman because they union whined and stamped it’s feet so much. May explain why RM drivers seem to be more Steering Wheel Attendants than professional HGV drivers.

There might be some truth about VOSA not spot checking RM lorries out on the road too… Think they only ever visit them in the yard like coaches but I could be wrong.

Andydisco:
“look pal its like this if you get back in the depot before 11 hours then youll not work in here again”

Sounds like nothings changed. I was never a driver for the RM, but I was a postie years ago. The drivers always seemed to have one motive; get the work out of the way as quickly as possible so they could spend more time hanging around the canteens eating chips and playing the slot machines. The accidents and incidents were legendary, like the Sherpa driver who lost it going down a hill too fast, going through a hedge at the bottom. The other side of the hedge was a golf club car park. He wrote off a Bentley and a Merc :slight_smile:

Well, I drive for RM through agency, perhaps two or three days a week. Usually a DD trailer.
You or your loved ones could spend a 12 hour shift with me and experience professional driving with full consideration to other users, safe and economical driving whilst maintaining approved running times.

You would not see me ‘cutting up’ other drivers, blatantly ignoring speed limits. any form of aggressive driving. At the end of the day, you would exit the vehicle feeling safe and relaxed. You would also feel confident to give me the keys to your own LGV having seen the standards demonstrated. Not all drivers are the same. It’s the way I’ve been doing it since 1976 with unblemished record.

I also tow a caravan at the weekends!

nightmail:
Well, I drive for RM through agency, perhaps two or three days a week. Usually a DD trailer.
You or your loved ones could spend a 12 hour shift with me and experience professional driving with full consideration to other users, safe and economical driving whilst maintaining approved running times.

You would not see me ‘cutting up’ other drivers, blatantly ignoring speed limits. any form of aggressive driving. At the end of the day, you would exit the vehicle feeling safe and relaxed. You would also feel confident to give me the keys to your own LGV having seen the standards demonstrated. Not all drivers are the same. It’s the way I’ve been doing it since 1976 with unblemished record.

I also tow a caravan at the weekends!

It was all going so well, you’d nearly convinced me… :laughing: :laughing:

Own Account Driver:

nightmail:
Well, I drive for RM through agency, perhaps two or three days a week. Usually a DD trailer.
You or your loved ones could spend a 12 hour shift with me and experience professional driving with full consideration to other users, safe and economical driving whilst maintaining approved running times.

You would not see me ‘cutting up’ other drivers, blatantly ignoring speed limits. any form of aggressive driving. At the end of the day, you would exit the vehicle feeling safe and relaxed. You would also feel confident to give me the keys to your own LGV having seen the standards demonstrated. Not all drivers are the same. It’s the way I’ve been doing it since 1976 with unblemished record.

I also tow a caravan at the weekends!

It was all going so well, you’d nearly convinced me… :laughing: :laughing:

Yes, probably right - I should of kept quiet about that bit. :blush:

nightmail:
Well, I drive for RM through agency, perhaps two or three days a week. Usually a DD trailer.
You or your loved ones could spend a 12 hour shift with me and experience professional driving with full consideration to other users, safe and economical driving whilst maintaining approved running times.

You would not see me ‘cutting up’ other drivers, blatantly ignoring speed limits. any form of aggressive driving. At the end of the day, you would exit the vehicle feeling safe and relaxed. You would also feel confident to give me the keys to your own LGV having seen the standards demonstrated. Not all drivers are the same. It’s the way I’ve been doing it since 1976 with unblemished record.

I also tow a caravan at the weekends!

I have to admit that I’ve never seen a Royal Mail artic being driven badly; I’ve had more than a few near misses with posties in vans round the back roads though but that’s par for the course round here.

What I do know is that a good mate of mine works for the out of Bristol; was on agency for some years but then got taken on full time. In his opinion it was a good job till the managers started messing the shift times around. He had a good six months off with stress recently; and he ain’t the kind of bloke you’d think would be affected by that.

shuttlespanker:
you should see the tesco trucks that run out of the RDC at Hinckley, they regular have no lights at all on the trailers :open_mouth:

Another good reason Tesco having their own drivers instead of Stobbarts cutting costs and payng crap wages. When I worked at Kiln Farm or Brackmills we didn’t move until everything was working and legal. Actually it was a good thing at Kiln farm, we would check our trailer and even for a light out the mechanics would book an hour and we got sent for a free fried English breakfast :laughing:
When companies contract out to cheapskate firms like Stobbart this is what you get, bad service and no regard for safety.

Why are there always people moaning on here about how bad other drivers seem to be especially when they work for either a big company or there an agency driver, a Eastern European driver etc etc.
If you work for Stobarts your [zb], if you work for Royal Mail your [zb] and the same goes for Tesco and a lot of others too.
Yes they all have bad drivers, especially when they have big fleets with drivers that probably don’t give a toss but there not all like that.
I know drivers that all work for these companies and there good drivers unless they to have gone to become [zb] drivers since joining these companies.
I make mistakes and so do most drivers by what I see day in day out.
On Thursday I got run on the hard shoulder by a coach with 53people on it but I don’t tar all coach drivers with the same brush.
Perhaps if one of the above company drivers or any driver does something that bad ring up and give there reg number and tell them what they have done instead of moaning on here about them all the time.

You will also find that a lot of big companies trucks don’t get pulled by Vosa because they are generally well maintained, the drivers don’t generally go over there hours.

I don’t think if you work for any particular company it makes you [zb], it means the company are [zb], most of the drivers are good and safe, it’s the idiots that let them down.
Companies that pay poor or lower wages and make drivers feel insecure by threatening their jobs and make them drive unsafe or with badly maintained equipment. These companies employ more idiots than others because the majority of good drivers have far more sense than to actually work for them.

Pat Hasler:
Companies that pay poor or lower wages and make drivers feel insecure by threatening their jobs and make them drive unsafe or with badly maintained equipment. These companies employ more idiots than others because the majority of good drivers have far more sense than to actually work for them.

Funny that, the worst I know claim to be the highest paid in the game, must be other factors @ play here…

Pimpdaddy:
Funny that, the worst I know claim to be the highest paid in the game, must be other factors @ play here…

They all claim to pay high wages otherwise they wouldn’t get any applicants would they ?
‘HGV drivers needed for varied driving duties for not very high wages’ doesn’t get many good replies does it ?
We get them here, Swifts, USA truck US express all claim to pay high rates but are actually rubbish. Stobbarts may think they pay well but they are not high in any way.

Pat Hasler:

Pimpdaddy:
Funny that, the worst I know claim to be the highest paid in the game, must be other factors @ play here…

They all claim to pay high wages otherwise they wouldn’t get any applicants would they ?
‘HGV drivers needed for varied driving duties for not very high wages’ doesn’t get many good replies does it ?
We get them here, Swifts, USA truck US express all claim to pay high rates but are actually rubbish. Stobbarts may think they pay well but they are not high in any way.

Pat, I know you are a trucking God, but how you can bend a topic that was about the royal mail, into one that slabs stobart drivers wages, astounds me.

To be honest, (and no I don’t work for Royal Mail)

I get least problems with parcels through them (as opposed to yodel/fedex)

Postman is always polite and goes the extra mile

I did some agency for R.M. There was a lot of B.S. but where else can you sleep and get 17.50 per hour.I would not buy a second hand motor from them.

alamcculloch:
I would not buy a second hand motor from them.

I know a lot of one man bands that do … :-/

I wonder why they don’t replace their fleet regular ie every 3 years like most outfits do!?