m1cks:
They cant deduct accident damage from wages unless there is a signed agreement between the company and employee. This will probably be written into the general employment contract.
I got stung with an £100 stoppage, yes I did wrong and could have been dismissed so let them take the £100 what I carnt get round is this ‘arrangement’ was brought into the contract that nobody signed to say you agree with them stopping the money from your wages, so did they have a right to stop my £100?
dreamlands2001:
m1cks:
They cant deduct accident damage from wages unless there is a signed agreement between the company and employee. This will probably be written into the general employment contract.I got stung with an £100 stoppage, yes I did wrong and could have been dismissed so let them take the £100 what I carnt get round is this ‘arrangement’ was brought into the contract that nobody signed to say you agree with them stopping the money from your wages, so did they have a right to stop my £100?
legally they cannot make stoppages unless you’ve agreed to them so no they were not allowed to do this.
I reckon the reason its being brought in is because drivers are taking the p*ss…
rambo19:
I reckon the reason its being brought in is because drivers are taking the p*ss…
Nah I reckon it’s because employers are taking the ■■■■…
They’ve all joined in with the rate slashing game, running for break even money or even “loss leader” money which in turn has forced them to keep wages artificially low as wages are the only cost they have real influence over. They’ve taken on any Tom, ■■■■ or Pytor with a pulse to drive their trucks, they’ve treated good drivers like dirt and now it’s come back to bite them on the arse they’re bleating like spoilt kids whilst still looking around for more ways to cut even more off the rates to make sure they get more second rate work.
Do any damage here without a good reason and pay the first £1000 is in the contract ,makes some of these drivers think a little before rushing about ,if you don’t like it don’t do any damage or zb off .i think some drivers need this ,last month a driver who was speeding put a rigid flat in the ditch destroyed the load worth £20’000 ,recovery was £800 ,and the damage to the lorry £2500 so the £1000 out of his wages didn’t go very far ,he blamed the wind ! So now he’s sacked any way as I think it was Facebook that made him do it .
the maoster:
rambo19:
I reckon the reason its being brought in is because drivers are taking the p*ss…Nah I reckon it’s because employers are taking the ■■■■…
They’ve all joined in with the rate slashing game, running for break even money or even “loss leader” money which in turn has forced them to keep wages artificially low as wages are the only cost they have real influence over. They’ve taken on any Tom, ■■■■ or Pytor with a pulse to drive their trucks, they’ve treated good drivers like dirt and now it’s come back to bite them on the arse they’re bleating like spoilt kids whilst still looking around for more ways to cut even more off the rates to make sure they get more second rate work.
now we’re TALKING! 
Dan Punchard:
Do any damage here without a good reason and pay the first £1000 is in the contract ,makes some of these drivers think a little before rushing about ,if you don’t like it don’t do any damage or zb off .i think some drivers need this ,last month a driver who was speeding put a rigid flat in the ditch destroyed the load worth £20’000 ,recovery was £800 ,and the damage to the lorry £2500 so the £1000 out of his wages didn’t go very far ,he blamed the wind ! So now he’s sacked any way as I think it was Facebook that made him do it .
So I suppose you only pay the drivers monthly to make sure that you always have the £1000 in hand.
dreamlands2001:
I got stung with an £100 stoppage, yes I did wrong and could have been dismissed so let them take the £100 what I carnt get round is this ‘arrangement’ was brought into the contract that nobody signed to say you agree with them stopping the money from your wages, so did they have a right to stop my £100?
No. It is against employment law to change the contract of employment without the agreement of the worker. The only way it can be done without the agreement of the worker is to make the worker redundant and to resign them under a new contract.
bigmiler:
There are a growing number of employers in the haulage industry trying out this scam.A lot are asking drivers to sign a new contract that states the driver will pay any excess on the insurance policy ( usually £250 ) for damage caused by the drivers neglect.
There is a certain company who at the moment shall remain nameless that is trying to implement this rule as well as other rules that are completely in my view illegal.
The have to go to certain places ( can’t say what for or you will know the company ) but the only way in to this place is by going through a bus lane, They have told the drivers if they go through the bus lane and get a fine that the driver will have to pay it but there is no alternative route to this place they have no choice they have to go through the bus lane. ( fines have been issued in the past ).
Also sometimes they have to enter a seven and half ton limit to load or unload with a moffat the drivers have been told that they will have to pay the fine if they get one for being in the seven and half ton limit.
I always thought the law said plate says 7.5 tons nothing over that weight can go in only emergency vehicles but 7.5 tons except for access then 44 tons can go in if delivering or collecting from customer if they are in the weight limit.
Also the boss gives them there taco card and tells them if you run out of time use my card now I know that is illegal and carries a prison sentence as well as loss of O Licences and company closed down.
So to sum up if the driver has an accident then the driver has to pay the first £250.00 and if going into a restriction driver has to pay fines but if they want you back it is ok to break the law seems to be double standards to me.
I always though that is why a haulage company has insurance against accidents so it gets sorted out I am sure you cannot stop the money out of a drivers wages it is illegal they can only stop tax national insurance and any court linked monies not is you have had an accident I am sure that is theft and they can be taken to court by the driver to recover the money.
I think I might need to go and see my local ministry depot and bring this to there attention but trouble is how many drivers will I be putting out of work, ( I know I know I know I )i hear you all loud and clear but I want to know can they stop money out of there wages or not.
Don’t really want to go to ministry it is no fun being unemployed and just to be clear I don’t work through ill health so it is not me but a good mate of mine, Have told him best thing he can do is look for another employer.
Thanks in advance.
This is all news to me. Stand up to them.
If you do not like the company then go elsewhere. There are lots of jobs out there. I would not break the law for anyone.
Chap in office = nowt to loose.
Driver = licence = main (only) income to lose.
Never compromise
Conor:
bigmiler:
I always thought the law said plate says 7.5 tons nothing over that weight can go in only emergency vehicles but 7.5 tons except for access then 44 tons can go in if delivering or collecting from customer if they are in the weight limit.
You can only contravene a 7.5t limit if the plate “Except for Access” accompanies the sign. No plate, no access.
And except for loading, which isn’t strictly true, or Mistley dock near Manningtree would be redundant.
Conor:
dreamlands2001:
I got stung with an £100 stoppage, yes I did wrong and could have been dismissed so let them take the £100 what I carnt get round is this ‘arrangement’ was brought into the contract that nobody signed to say you agree with them stopping the money from your wages, so did they have a right to stop my £100?No. It is against employment law to change the contract of employment without the agreement of the worker. The only way it can be done without the agreement of the worker is to make the worker redundant and to resign them under a new contract.
No its not. You can issue new contracts and if the worker continues to work for a statuatory amount of time (cant remember how long but 13 weeks spring to mind) they are deemed to have accepted the new terms and conditions. They must of course be notified of the new contract.
even if you do sign to say they can deduct damage costs from your wage, they are only allowed to take a certain percentage each pay day, they cannot leave you without some income.
Doesn’t apply to most but in the case above where a driver has agreed to pay the first £1000 it would be important.
Some info on here:
I disagree with many of the posts on here. An employed driver should never have to pay anything towards the cost of damage. People make mistakes, that’s why pencils have a rubber on the end.
If we’re expected to prostitute our rights, covers, & insurances to sign up for a bum deal like this - then I’d consider it - but only for renumeration equal to said prostitute’s going hourly rate of £50ph.
What doya think is gonna happen when “been there a long time guy” or “related to the gaffer bod” causes some 4-figure damage, and then palms you, the newbie, off with it? 
Make no mistake - this is a lose-lose proposition for the 99% of drivers who are not in some way “in bed” with the firm or it’s bosses.
bigmiler:
There are a growing number of employers in the haulage industry trying out this scam.A lot are asking drivers to sign a new contract that states the driver will pay any excess on the insurance policy ( usually £250 ) for damage caused by the drivers neglect.
There is a certain company who at the moment shall remain nameless that is trying to implement this rule as well as other rules that are completely in my view illegal.
The have to go to certain places ( can’t say what for or you will know the company ) but the only way in to this place is by going through a bus lane, They have told the drivers if they go through the bus lane and get a fine that the driver will have to pay it but there is no alternative route to this place they have no choice they have to go through the bus lane. ( fines have been issued in the past ).
Also sometimes they have to enter a seven and half ton limit to load or unload with a moffat the drivers have been told that they will have to pay the fine if they get one for being in the seven and half ton limit.
I always thought the law said plate says 7.5 tons nothing over that weight can go in only emergency vehicles but 7.5 tons except for access then 44 tons can go in if delivering or collecting from customer if they are in the weight limit.
Also the boss gives them there taco card and tells them if you run out of time use my card now I know that is illegal and carries a prison sentence as well as loss of O Licences and company closed down.
So to sum up if the driver has an accident then the driver has to pay the first £250.00 and if going into a restriction driver has to pay fines but if they want you back it is ok to break the law seems to be double standards to me.
I always though that is why a haulage company has insurance against accidents so it gets sorted out I am sure you cannot stop the money out of a drivers wages it is illegal they can only stop tax national insurance and any court linked monies not is you have had an accident I am sure that is theft and they can be taken to court by the driver to recover the money.
I think I might need to go and see my local ministry depot and bring this to there attention but trouble is how many drivers will I be putting out of work, ( I know I know I know I )i hear you all loud and clear but I want to know can they stop money out of there wages or not.
Don’t really want to go to ministry it is no fun being unemployed and just to be clear I don’t work through ill health so it is not me but a good mate of mine, Have told him best thing he can do is look for another employer.
Thanks in advance.
I stopped reading after the first outrage or two, don’t name them on here just tell the VOSA boys who it is & get them to shut the pricks down.
I’ll have the contracts, give you boys a pay rise & pay you for your 45 minute break (what’s all that about unpaid anyway FFS?).
Also sometimes they have to enter a seven and half ton limit to load or unload with a moffat the drivers have been told that they will have to pay the fine if they get one for being in the seven and half ton limit.
park the truck outside the limit and use the Moffet.
The have to go to certain places ( can’t say what for or you will know the company ) but the only way in to this place is by going through a bus lane, They have told the drivers if they go through the bus lane and get a fine that the driver will have to pay it but there is no alternative route to this place they have no choice they have to go through the bus lane. ( fines have been issued in the past ).
I think that there MUST be another way, or all the companies own staff (including the bosses) would be getting tickets for using the bus lane every day.
Harry Monk:
I disagree with many of the posts on here. An employed driver should never have to pay anything towards the cost of damage. People make mistakes, that’s why pencils have
a rubber on the end.
Did someone’s dad not then? 
Sadly hear of a few firms doing this and worse still drivers agreeing to it. The current government realy seems to be getting the working classes to tug the forelock again.
Have been at at least one firm in the past that did the whole ‘drivers are liable for X amount in case of damage.’ Though as far as I was aware nobody ever had a deduction for minor damages like bashing a step off a bollard or smacking the back end off a mirror. Maybe it’s time someone with a legal mind took a look at terms like these to see if they’re something an employer can even require in the contract? Sounds dodgy to me.