My first move would be to write a letter to the top dog at this, (and i mean the top dog, by name and position accurately spelt and addressed formally), the new company, who IMO have treated you shabbily when it’s their poor management that has caused this whole situation.
You’ve been dealing with low level admin type managers, the left hand of which doesn’t know what the right hand is doing, as is often the case, i don’t know what the gaffer is like, he/she might be a gentleman and tell his incompetent underlings to sort their mess out, or he/she might not give a toss, no telling but you have nothing to lose.
I wouldn’t be too quick to ask for help or forgiveness or my old job back, they seemingly worked around the pregnancy by keeping you local on class 2 work, i think morally you owed them something for helping you out at the time, and you leaving hasn’t exactly repaid that with interest.
Yeah, I think the old job bridge is burned too. If I was in charge there I would just think you’ll be looking to leave and move on again to class 1 work asap.
New company should of checked this before offering you the job, i would be contacting citizen advice to see what they have to say on the matter. I wouldnt bother asking for the old job back if you are in the Avonmouth area just get knocking some doors plenty of places advertising and you may be in the right place at the right time.
as mentioned speak to your old employers explain whats happened and see if you can get your old job back?
I doubt the insurance excuse is 100% as I have a 21 year old class 1 guy on my books who gets regular work (they need to speak to the insurers 1st and may pay a bit more but personally think its [zb]).
Although it’s considerably cheaper to do a small claims action against the employer for wages owed for the notice period, often a well worded “Letter before action” will result in a cheque being sent for the money.
If you write your own LBA (There are plenty of templates and guidance on line) it will just cost you the price of a stamp
Juddian:
My first move would be to write a letter to the top dog at this, (and i mean the top dog, by name and position accurately spelt and addressed formally), the new company, who IMO have treated you shabbily when it’s their poor management that has caused this whole situation…
Juddian:
My first move would be to write a letter to the top dog at this, (and i mean the top dog, by name and position accurately spelt and addressed formally).
Juddian:
My first move would be to write a letter to the top dog at this, (and i mean the top dog, by name and position accurately spelt and addressed formally).
Waste of time me thinks
Maybe so, maybe some places such a letter would be laughed over by half witted suits during their boozy lunch break, it sounds from your posts like thats the sort of companies you’ve been working for, where people are numbers to be treated with disrespect.
Such company’s no doubt reap the rewards due from their staff who, following their leader’s example, really couldn’t give a stuff.
If such a letter arrived on the big cheeses desk where i work (it wouldn’t, they would never treat anyone in such a way), you’d hear the explosions rolling downhill for miles around.
Karl86:
Sorry to hear that is there any chance of getting back in with your old firm?. That would be the first call I’d make. I sympathise because I’ve just taken the plunge in trying for a baby myself after years of putting her off all she can do is write down baby names all I can do is write down numbers and hope to god when we have one it all stacks up. Congratulations by the way on your new born.
If you wait until you’ve got the money you’ll never have a family!
Me and my ex used to put it off and put it off, then I decided enough was enough and it caused us to split.
You find a way of making it work and it doesn’t come without sacrifices! It’s well worth it though you come 2nd or 3rd (after the Mrs) and if you’ve got a dog too sometimes 4th lol.
First few years are a struggle until you get used to things.
Thanks new lad for the advice. We just moved in February and I kept my old place and am renting it the bloke I have in there pays when he feels like it each month and all I’m worried about is if I come un stuck with that place I’m paying 2 mortgages with a Chavy at home and her maternity pay it won’t end well. Having said that the situation will be no different next year or the year after so I’ve decided to bite the bullet and go for it before I’m into my 30’s. I’ve worked my ■■■■ of since I Ieft college, spent the last 10 years like a hermit just to build a nice nest for my future family and now were here and ready to do it it’s just bloody scary I quite like being selfish and doing what I like ill have to learn to share .
ZiggyPhillips:
So started my new job monday it involved a two day induction which went well, yesterday I finished my induction and was issued with my rota for the next 7 weeks etc… And was told for the rest of the week I would be out with another driver, and was told to come in at 5pm this evening, I turned up at 5pm met the driver I was going out with then we went and put our cards in and done our vehicle checks etc… Once we completed that a manager came out and asked me in to his office, he said he just noticed that my licence shows I have only recently passed my class 1, I said yes I made the chap who interviewed aware of this, he said sorry you our insurance won’t cover you and said he was termanating my employment with the company and sent me home, so now I am stuck with no job! I feel sick especially after having low wages last month and a new baby to support.
Many thanks for taking the time to read this post, and appreciate any opinions on this.
You need to keep accurate records from now of all correspondance and dates. You should write a letter to the head (National ?) office and also to the depot you started at that terminated you. Outline what you have said above and explain what it has cost you to start in employment for them. Its my opinion that its a crock of crap that an insurance company will not cover you, but even if its the case i’m wrong its their duty to know this and in either case it is down to them that you have given up a position of employment to be finished up by them for NO GOOD REASON, at least certainly not pertaining to anything to do with your performance of your duties that you where employed for.
“we didn’t check your licence correctly or our insurance policy” is NOT a good reason.
Have in mind a figure you want in recompense if they will not re instate you and ask for it, failing which you will take the matter further.
As mentioned earlier, you won;t have recourse to Employment Tribunals, but you will have recourse to small claims Court. Although initially and at this point i would not mention that to them.
If you still want the job then ask for it, and if its no go and you think it will take a month to sort yourself out (i.e get another job) then ask for a months wage in recompense, failing which you will take the matter further.
Keep the discussion sensible, and they’ll see the error of their ways and either re instate you or give you the recompense you’re asking for. I’m certain they won;t want a judge to say they cocked up and they should pay you what you’re asking.
Depends on the ops age also they are clamping down on experience mine is currently 1 years experience or holding a licence for 1 year before I can put them on my policy many fleet state 2 years some more
Mike-C:
You need to keep accurate records from now of all correspondance and dates. You should write a letter to the head (National ?) office and also to the depot you started at that terminated you. Outline what you have said above and explain what it has cost you to start in employment for them. Its my opinion that its a crock of crap that an insurance company will not cover you, but even if its the case i’m wrong its their duty to know this and in either case it is down to them that you have given up a position of employment to be finished up by them for NO GOOD REASON, at least certainly not pertaining to anything to do with your performance of your duties that you where employed for.
“we didn’t check your licence correctly or our insurance policy” is NOT a good reason.
Have in mind a figure you want in recompense if they will not re instate you and ask for it, failing which you will take the matter further.
As mentioned earlier, you won;t have recourse to Employment Tribunals, but you will have recourse to small claims Court. Although initially and at this point i would not mention that to them.
If you still want the job then ask for it, and if its no go and you think it will take a month to sort yourself out (i.e get another job) then ask for a months wage in recompense, failing which you will take the matter further.
Keep the discussion sensible, and they’ll see the error of their ways and either re instate you or give you the recompense you’re asking for. I’m certain they won;t want a judge to say they cocked up and they should pay you what you’re asking.
Good post Mike. We don’t always agree on here, but on this certainly.
Karl86:
Thanks new lad for the advice. We just moved in February and I kept my old place and am renting it the bloke I have in there pays when he feels like it each month and all I’m worried about is if I come un stuck with that place I’m paying 2 mortgages with a Chavy at home and her maternity pay it won’t end well. Having said that the situation will be no different next year or the year after so I’ve decided to bite the bullet and go for it before I’m into my 30’s. I’ve worked my ■■■■ of since I Ieft college, spent the last 10 years like a hermit just to build a nice nest for my future family and now were here and ready to do it it’s just bloody scary I quite like being selfish and doing what I like ill have to learn to share .
Lol you’ll be surprised how easy it is to give it all up when you see them, you’ll do anything and everything to make them happy
Just want to start by saying a massive thanks to everyone who took the time to read this and thanks for the replys! It has been a massive help knowing that there is people on my side. Mike-c brilliant advice and that is exactly what I have done, I am going to send the letter on Monday recorded delivery so I know they have recieved it.
I have got myself a job with a different firm, this firm have no problem with me being a new driver class 1. they have their own in house trainer who will be with me for the first week
Good on you Ziggy
So sorry to hear what happened I’m sure heads will roll or be in a hell of a spin with what’s happened. It should have been picked up at the application stage, at least at the interview part and then the last chance before a driving assessment…
What a pigs ear they made the whole thing.
Onward and upwards fella good luck in the new NEW job and congratulations on the addition to the family …
nick2008:
Good on you Ziggy
So sorry to hear what happened I’m sure heads will roll or be in a hell of a spin with what’s happened. It should have been picked up at the application stage, at least at the interview part and then the last chance before a driving assessment…
What a pigs ear they made the whole thing.
Onward and upwards fella good luck in the new NEW job and congratulations on the addition to the family …
Please be careful the best case scenario is that the man at the top recognises they’ve behaved incredibly negligently and he doesn’t want to potentially attract bad publicity and consequently makes a goodwill gesture, of some kind.
In my view a county court claim would be unlikely to be successful as it does not really deal in compensatory claims and the other sides solicitors would argue that you could have easily taken agency work or at the very least claimed jobseekers to mitigate your losses. Ultimately, a firm can let people go for pretty much any reason, barring discrimination, at the early stages of employment, without recourse, and it is something everyone should consider prior to jumping ship. This is not to in any way excuse this companies negligence and they might pay a month’s wages out rather than get a solicitor to defend against your claim but, in all honesty, if they defend it there is a cost in time and stress and also further money to have your day in court - which will likely need a day off work as well.
Unfortunately, it is not a myth that there are age restrictions on fleet insurance policies. Insurers may extend cover to the gaffer’s son, or something, if they threaten to take the busiess elsewhere but that’s not a realistic prospect for regular employees. It’s not just the additional premium quite often insurers may attach additional restrictions, for younger drivers, which may not be compatible with the business model.
Own Account Driver:
Unfortunately, it is not a myth that there are age restrictions on fleet insurance policies. Insurers may extend cover to the gaffer’s son, or something, if they threaten to take the busiess elsewhere but that’s not a realistic prospect for regular employees. It’s not just the additional premium quite often insurers may attach additional restrictions, for younger drivers, which may not be compatible with the business model.
Myth or no myth, it illegal to discriminate against someone because of their age. And if that means the buisness model will not extend to paying the premiums for “younger drivers” then its always going to be at risk from a discrimination claim if thats the model it adopts.
Like wise with “experience”, or a need for “two years experience” or licence held for two years. Its ■■■■■■■■. If the role requrement is for a C+E driver and the candidate holds one, then he’s fit for the role. Experience nor age is legally a bar to this.
There was a case not so long ago wherby… (i may have my facts a bit fuzzy, but you’ll get the general jist) a woman in her forties applied for jobs (whatever it was she passed an exam for), when they asked for “newly qualified”. She knew that “newly qualify” as they stated really meant “young”, and she fired off a claim to all of them as she never got an interview because of her age. She got paid out. Although she was outed too !!
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