chippy:
When some Corsa driving child passes the LGV test.4 They are in the top most dangerous and vunerable drivers in the whole country
5 They have no idea about forward planning, risk assessment and speed awareness.
6 They are getting themselves killed through dangerous driving, left, right and centre.
And it won’t be them that get hurt if there is an incident
Saratoga:
Leyland Lynx, four axle model
Leyland Lynx, Chinese Six
Copyright: s301.photobucket.com/albums/nn51/Tetleycoachman/[/url]
Something wrong with these photos, both photos are of exactly the same vehicle but two differing photos. differences being the back end and the sticker on the dome, but they are both at the same location, exactly the same position and the condensation on the passenger windows has been wiped in exactly the same way.
bit pedantic I know.
Saratoga:
Leyland Lynx, four axle model
Leyland Lynx, Chinese Six
Copyright: s301.photobucket.com/albums/nn51/Tetleycoachman/[/url]
a nice bit of photoshop that . must have taken a while to get it spot on!
axle 2 is photoshopped as well, gotta admit it’s good 
MADBAZ:
Saratoga:
Leyland Lynx, four axle model
Leyland Lynx, Chinese Six
Copyright: s301.photobucket.com/albums/nn51/Tetleycoachman/[/url]
Something wrong with these photos, both photos are of exactly the same vehicle but two differing photos. differences being the back end and the sticker on the dome, but they are both at the same location, exactly the same position and the condensation on the passenger windows has been wiped in exactly the same way.
bit pedantic I know.
They also have the same number plate 
Doctored pics me thinks…
Yeah, that’s why I put the copyright notice in. I did actually show these to my trainers at the training school and NONE of them cottoned on that they were all FAKE. The Leyland Lynx (That’s the Mk2) has only 2 axles, 40ft long with a 7ft front overhang and 11ft rear overhang. I think that one weighs 10t and can carry about 70 ish passengers…
Yes, they are very good photoshopped ones 
chippy:
When some Corsa driving child passes the LGV test.Considering almost no one can get a job if they are under 25 with less than 2 years experience. ( Some even if they are over 25)
Example of average teenage Corsa driver below
1 they have no experience
2 Companies are more than likely going to refuse insurance because of age
3 At that age some insurance companies will not even insure them for a car
4 They are in the top most dangerous and vunerable drivers in the whole country
5 They have no idea about forward planning, risk assessment and speed awareness.
6 They are getting themselves killed through dangerous driving, left, right and centre.
Then what the hell is the point of them passing tests, costing thousands with no chance of a job at the end of it all. Who may I ask is going to employ them?
don’t tar all 18 year olds with the same brush, my daughter did her hgv through the yd scheme and is a good driver ( I also know a couple of others who did/are doing the same) - maybe as they grew up around farming they got the hang of driving larger vehicles instead of pimped up mini’s
Although experience does play a large part, attitude to driving is a major factor regards how safe a driver will be, whatever age. If the person shows that attitude and training is then provided, passing the test should determine if they’re fit enough to drive the larger vehicles.
What I can’t understand is that the original poster said that they couldn’t do the class C training due to finances. My class C was 5 days of training which cost around £1200. How can a class D course with 10 days of training with CPC be cheaper than that?
manowar wrote:-
What I can’t understand is that the original poster said that they couldn’t do the class C training due to finances. My class C was 5 days of training which cost around £1200. How can a class D course with 10 days of training with CPC be cheaper than that?
I think you will find that he was trained by a bus company at no cost to himself - other than probably a tie to the company for a period of time. If he had wanted to do his CatC there was no-one to fund it for him. Indeed it is usually more expensive to do a CatD with a training organisation than a CatC.
manowar:
Although experience does play a large part, attitude to driving is a major factor regards how safe a driver will be, whatever age. If the person shows that attitude and training is then provided, passing the test should determine if they’re fit enough to drive the larger vehicles.
Very true - I’ve had 17/18 year olds pass the advanced driving test.
Were you referring to me? I didn’t pay anything, the bus company paid it all. Mon-Sat of week one, and of that I had 2 days of 1-to-1 training as the other trainee failed to show up. Mon-Thurs AM in the 2nd week and of that I had 3 days of 1-to-1 for the reason above too. Then i had my test on Thursday PM.
I’ve had my Theory, Hazard Perception, CPC Case Studies and CPC Practical, Practical driving test, Customer Services Class, Disability and Aggressive customers training, and I’ve still got to learn the routes, learn the buses, learn the areas. The rest could take months.
But I’ve now got my licence, and my CPC. I was told the training cost £2000 and if I leave in the first year I have to pay that all back. Leaving in 1 year and I pay £1000 and after 2 years then I don’t have to pay it. However, I have no intention of leaving. It’s a local job and I need one of them.
And yes, it is more stressfull and complicated than truck driving. Part of the driver training is care and safety of the passengers. A lot of it is actually, plus not forgetting the width and the 40ft boot.
The other lad on the course, 18, was not committed to the job, worked elsewhere of an evening, treated some as a joke and liked his speed. Planning far ahead is something I need to pick up more of, but he couldn’t. At least I tried
Even if you don’t really like the job - it is a job 
and in this current recession, which could be for 2 years 
, you are sorted - WELL DONE.
You can always go for the LGV side later 
ROG:
Even if you don’t really like the job - it is a jobYou can always go for the LGV side later
Indeed. The D licence allows me to drive bendi (articulated) busses because the drive is at the rear. If all axles were driven or the front and mid were driven then I’d need a D+E.
As my D is an Auto Only, if I got my C in Manual, my D would be upgraded to Manual too.
Saratoga:
As my D is an Auto Only, if I got my C in Manual, my D would be upgraded to Manual too.
YES it would.
You now also have your PCV driver cpc which will need renewing by 2013 and it will also cover you LGV - you can do either LGV or PCV driver cpc before 2013 and both will be covered.
Now, the bit I’m not sure on is this…
If say, in 2 years time, you do your INITIAL driver cpc for LGV - I don’t know whether that will then extend the need for a PERIODIC driver cpc until 2015 - one of those oddities I must remember to ask about…
Hiya Saratoga,
The actual reason why you can drive ‘bendi’ Buses on a Category D licence is not because of where the engine is, it’s all down to the fact that you cannot detatch any part of the ‘bendi’ Bus so is considered to be a Rigid vehicle in technical terms…it is rather complicated but that was what someone at the DVLA told me regarding that particular rule. If the rear section of the ‘bendi’ Bus could be detatched then you would need a Category D+E licence.
Still though, you do need to drive them more carefully and Reversing is a very sobering experience!! I’ve had about 3 goes with a Volvo B7LA, the 2nd time I crashed it!!
I would love to drive a ‘bendi’ Bus again, the moment you look in the interior mirror and you can’t see the end of the walkway brings out the brown flag!
I’ve held my D licence for 4 years and 8 months, still learning new things even to this day. Passed 2 weeks after my 18th birthday. Being 18 and doing something completely different I obviously made mistakes along the way, had 4 accidents in the space of 1 month…1 of those was Day 3 into my Driver Training, I misunderstood what my instructor said and I swiped into some railings ripping out a marker light and left a massive gash in the nearside! The other 3 were down to lack of experience and confidence…after that the accidents stopped, Thank Goodness, wasn’t half starting to worry if I could cut it.
Richard
Yeah, I’ve had all my accidents in the last 6 years of driving. Some are mentioned on here too. Didn’t manage any accidents on training but I did have to reverse on a roundabout in the Lynx… 
Yep - Sorry I didn’t realise you were getting it paid for.
I didn’t realise bendi-buses were driven at the rear, that must be fun when driving on icey roads!
Rog wrote:-
Now, the bit I’m not sure on is this…
If say, in 2 years time, you do your INITIAL driver cpc for LGV - I don’t know whether that will then extend the need for a PERIODIC driver cpc until 2015 - one of those oddities I must remember to ask about…
Don’t know who you could ask - I doubt the DSA have thought about that yet!
Personally I would assume that any time you do Initial Driver CPC that will cover all classes of licence for 5 years - so if you have a CatD and then in 2012 you do a CatC with the Initial Driver CPC, that should cover you until 2017, when you would have to of completed 35 hours periodic training.
Smart Mart:
Rog wrote:-
Now, the bit I’m not sure on is this…
If say, in 2 years time, you do your INITIAL driver cpc for LGV - I don’t know whether that will then extend the need for a PERIODIC driver cpc until 2015 - one of those oddities I must remember to ask about…
Don’t know who you could ask - I doubt the DSA have thought about that yet!
Personally I would assume that any time you do Initial Driver CPC that will cover all classes of licence for 5 years - so if you have a CatD and then in 2012 you do a CatC with the Initial Driver CPC, that should cover you until 2017, when you would have to of completed 35 hours periodic training.
I think I know where to ask… will update when got definitive answer
Date: 2008/10/27 Mon AM 08:26:52 GMT
To: drivercpc@dsa.gsi.gov.uk
A driver has recently passed their INITIAL PCV DRIVER CPC
(2008).
They then pass their INITIAL LGV DRIVER CPC 2 YEARS LATER
(2010).
By which year do they have to complete the 35 hours of PERIODIC
DRIVER CPC - 2013 OR 2015 ?
ANSWER =
Date: 2008/10/27 Mon AM 08:26:52 GMT
To: drivercpc@dsa.gsi.gov.uk
A driver has recently passed their INITIAL PCV DRIVER CPC
(2008).
They then pass their INITIAL LGV DRIVER CPC 2 YEARS LATER
(2010).
By which year do they have to complete the 35 hours of PERIODIC
DRIVER CPC - 2013 OR 2015 ?
ANSWER =
Ok, curiosity got the better of me so instead of waiting for a reply, I phoned them.
The driver PERIODIC CPC ‘5 YEAR CLOCK’ resets if another INITIAL DRIVER CPC is passed so the answer is 2015 for the above senario.
This got me thinking - LGV driver on grandfather rights has until 2014 to complete the 35 hours of PERIODIC DRIVER CPC but if they had not got but wanted D, then they could time to take the INITIAL DRIVER CPC for PCV at the start of 2014 which would then mean that they had until 2019 to do the 35 hours of PERIODIC DRIVER CPC 
I wonder which would be the cheaper option -
pay for 35 hours of PERIODIC DRIVER CPC from 2009 to 2014
or
take the INITIAL DRIVER CPC for PCV in early 2014 (which would also give the driver another licence catagory)
Hmmm…
