Automatic vs Manual from 2001 - 2006

[discoman]

Carryfast:

discoman:

Carryfast:

adam277:
Just dont plan on having it long. This government is going to go nuts on people with older polluting vehicles. Only a matter of time before they target old HGVs.
To be honest, I am surpised they haven’t already.

That being said I really enjoy driving a automatic. Just nice to sip a cofee without having to put it down for a gear change.

There’s no link between emissions and transmissions.Australian trucks meet most recent Euro emissions standards with manual transmissions.

The final sentence says it all.Do we really want that mindset in control of a truck.I laugh at the way these amateur muppets approach a hazard using their brake as late as possible and let it do the gears to go bit by itself.Even getting a good gear to go with is too much for them, let alone the finer points of well timed downshifts to maximise engine braking and using the downshift points to govern the approach.

You are wrong yet again, NSW are coming down hard on old trucks here, RTA, RMS are starting to fine polluting trucks , further more some polluting trucks are not permitted in parts of Sydney especially the Kingsgrove tunnel … all new trucks are Euro 5 euro 6 … the old Sterling , kenworth , frieghtliner and others are frowned upon…

But of course you live here and know all the rules and regs… just like Qube who pull 90t on a scania day cab …

As for light vehicles been happening since circa 1970’s …

Are you saying that a 2020 MX13 doesn’t meet Euro 5 and isn’t offered with an 18 speed Fuller transmission option ?.
If not what’s this all about.
‘‘18 speed performance and reliability needed for years of trouble free operation’’.The inference being obvious.
paccarfinancial.com.au/2020/ … ot-better/

Who mentioned a 2020 vehicle. … I said older vehicles are frown upon, facts are you will not get decent trucks over here… a 2002 Volvo FM they want 19k etc … when you can ship one from UK and be quids in … just get the specs checked … no, kenworth is not best in business… I assure you, Isuzu, Volvo, Scania and Merc, are Taking over … when I migrated here in 2012, it was all freightliner, Kenworth etc, … now all big companies, such as Toll, Linfox, all go for euro spec trucks … don’t see the American style junk on them jobs…
Unless, you know a mate who works for coles, Woolworths … over here people, are not wanting road rangers anymore, and they damage knees…

Are you based in Australia or just doing google seraches ? … I most kenworth are also spec with auto now RR as said are a dying breed…l

[punchy_dan]

8 wheeler K200 15 litre 600 gets my vote

[carryfast]

discoman:
Who mentioned a 2020 vehicle. … I said older vehicles are frown upon, facts are you will not get decent trucks over here… a 2002 Volvo FM they want 19k etc … when you can ship one from UK and be quids in … just get the specs checked … no, kenworth is not best in business… I assure you, Isuzu, Volvo, Scania and Merc, are Taking over … when I migrated here in 2012, it was all freightliner, Kenworth etc, … now all big companies, such as Toll, Linfox, all go for euro spec trucks … don’t see the American style junk on them jobs…
Unless, you know a mate who works for coles, Woolworths … over here people, are not wanting road rangers anymore, and they damage knees…

Are you based in Australia or just doing google seraches ? … I most kenworth are also spec with auto now RR as said are a dying breed…l

So you admit that there’s no link between emissions regs and manual v auto then ?.That’s what you’re arguing about right ?.

The OP wants simplicity and reliability/durability you know just like the KW advert correctly infers regarding the Fuller transmission option.

They don’t come more simple or reliable or durable than the Fuller.With the bonus that 18 gears to choose from beats 12.

Euro trucks which part of their respective depreciation curves, effectively scrap value at 15 years old, v ■■■■■■■■■■ and 18 speed Fuller KW didn’t you understand.Yes google provides the Australian used truck ads which provide the inconvenient truth.30k for a 14 year old wagon v 5k for a similar age piece of Euro junk probably even less if lumbered with an auto box.

[discoman]

Carryfast:

discoman:
Who mentioned a 2020 vehicle. … I said older vehicles are frown upon, facts are you will not get decent trucks over here… a 2002 Volvo FM they want 19k etc … when you can ship one from UK and be quids in … just get the specs checked … no, kenworth is not best in business… I assure you, Isuzu, Volvo, Scania and Merc, are Taking over … when I migrated here in 2012, it was all freightliner, Kenworth etc, … now all big companies, such as Toll, Linfox, all go for euro spec trucks … don’t see the American style junk on them jobs…
Unless, you know a mate who works for coles, Woolworths … over here people, are not wanting road rangers anymore, and they damage knees…

Are you based in Australia or just doing google seraches ? … I most kenworth are also spec with auto now RR as said are a dying breed…l

So you admit that there’s no link between emissions regs and manual v auto then ?.That’s what you’re arguing about right ?.

The OP wants simplicity and reliability/durability you know just like the KW advert correctly infers regarding the Fuller transmission option.

They don’t come more simple or reliable or durable than the Fuller.With the bonus that 18 gears to choose from beats 12.

Euro trucks which part of their respective depreciation curves, effectively scrap value at 15 years old, v ■■■■■■■■■■ and 18 speed Fuller KW didn’t you understand.Yes google provides the Australian used truck ads which provide the inconvenient truth.30k for a 14 year old wagon v 5k for a similar age piece of Euro junk probably even less if lumbered with an auto box.

Look, if you actually lived in nsw, you would see people drive around in 1990’s trucks … apart from the big companies, most have older clapped out junk … you do not know all… your thinking if you scream loud enough people will say I am right , wrong… as for the manual vs auto, auto, provide better reliability than manual, in the fact less moving parts, easier for drivers to drive etc …

As said, prior, a 25 yr old kw is a piece of junk … they are loud noisy and, when gear changes cause so much soot from the exhaust as well as pollution … hence the clamp down …

The OP, will be better served with an Auto Euro, as for your euro junk, they are well built … not like the junk over here that rattles etc …

Young drivers are not like you and feel the need to use a road ranger… all brag about a 1970’s mode…

As said, when you have been to Australia then start talking facts… as for the ■■■■■■■ engine … that has always been reliable as the gardener has also… ask LT with the RM or the Leyland Titan etc …

Feel free, if you want to ask I will take pictures of the junk on the roads over here, give you a clue most decent trucks are European.

[robthedog]

Diggerlot:
I was thinking about this …manual box & only 222,000 km ■■?

ebay.co.uk/itm/MAN-ERF-TG-A … 4328731098

Depends whether you want to drive it or look at it in the workshop

[switchlogic]

discoman:

Carryfast:

discoman:
Who mentioned a 2020 vehicle. … I said older vehicles are frown upon, facts are you will not get decent trucks over here… a 2002 Volvo FM they want 19k etc … when you can ship one from UK and be quids in … just get the specs checked … no, kenworth is not best in business… I assure you, Isuzu, Volvo, Scania and Merc, are Taking over … when I migrated here in 2012, it was all freightliner, Kenworth etc, … now all big companies, such as Toll, Linfox, all go for euro spec trucks … don’t see the American style junk on them jobs…
Unless, you know a mate who works for coles, Woolworths … over here people, are not wanting road rangers anymore, and they damage knees…

Are you based in Australia or just doing google seraches ? … I most kenworth are also spec with auto now RR as said are a dying breed…l

So you admit that there’s no link between emissions regs and manual v auto then ?.That’s what you’re arguing about right ?.

The OP wants simplicity and reliability/durability you know just like the KW advert correctly infers regarding the Fuller transmission option.

They don’t come more simple or reliable or durable than the Fuller.With the bonus that 18 gears to choose from beats 12.

Euro trucks which part of their respective depreciation curves, effectively scrap value at 15 years old, v ■■■■■■■■■■ and 18 speed Fuller KW didn’t you understand.Yes google provides the Australian used truck ads which provide the inconvenient truth.30k for a 14 year old wagon v 5k for a similar age piece of Euro junk probably even less if lumbered with an auto box.

Look, if you actually lived in nsw, you would see people drive around in 1990’s trucks … apart from the big companies, most have older clapped out junk … you do not know all… your thinking if you scream loud enough people will say I am right , wrong… as for the manual vs auto, auto, provide better reliability than manual, in the fact less moving parts, easier for drivers to drive etc …

As said, prior, a 25 yr old kw is a piece of junk … they are loud noisy and, when gear changes cause so much soot from the exhaust as well as pollution … hence the clamp down …

The OP, will be better served with an Auto Euro, as for your euro junk, they are well built … not like the junk over here that rattles etc …

Young drivers are not like you and feel the need to use a road ranger… all brag about a 1970’s mode…

As said, when you have been to Australia then start talking facts… as for the ■■■■■■■ engine … that has always been reliable as the gardener has also… ask LT with the RM or the Leyland Titan etc …

Feel free, if you want to ask I will take pictures of the junk on the roads over here, give you a clue most decent trucks are European.

Well of course Trucknet legend does speak from a wealth of experience…having never actually driven any of this Auto Euro Junk let alone anything American! He creates entire worlds in his head and poor you if you dispute any of his fiction with actual facts

I would love to get him in a modern auto! Then we’d get measure of him, wether he makes opinions that he never deviates from before experiencing something or wether his mind is open enough to learn. The ultimate truck I think for that would be a Volvo FH 540 Dual Clutch with all the toys, best truck I’ve ever driven (and I’ve driven the odd decent truck Though none American yet alas)

And that was 2018, I can’t wait to try out the new FH and FM

[carryfast]

switchlogic:
Well of course Trucknet legend does speak from a wealth of experience…having never actually driven any of this Auto Euro Junk let alone anything American! He creates entire worlds in his head and poor you if you dispute any of his fiction with actual facts

I would love to get him in a modern auto! Then we’d get measure of him, wether he makes opinions that he never deviates from before experiencing something or wether his mind is open enough to learn. The ultimate truck I think for that would be a Volvo FH 540 Dual Clutch with all the toys, best truck I’ve ever driven (and I’ve driven the odd decent truck Though none American yet alas)

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And that was 2018, I can’t wait to try out the new FH and FM

Firstly the 18 speed Fuller is effectively just the 13 speed Fuller with splitter on the low range and the high range.
I’m sure I’d know where

[robroy]

So what kind of truck have you driven with an 18 speed Fuller fitted Carryfast?
They were a rarity in this country (as far as I remember)
The majority of ERFs, Seddon Atks, Transcontis, etc with the Fuller option spec, had the 9 or 13 speed option, the 18 speed were (again as far as I remember) special spec and/or for the US market.

[carryfast]

robroy:
So what kind of truck have you driven with an 18 speed Fuller fitted Carryfast?
They were a rarity in this country (as far as I remember)
The majority of ERFs, Seddon Atks, Transcontis, etc with the Fuller option spec, had the 9 or 13 speed option, the 18 speed were (again as far as I remember) special spec and/or for the US market.

As I said the 18 speed is just like the 13 speed with the splitter operational on the low range and the high range what’s not to like.

It combines all the advantages of the 13 speed with those of numerous euro types of 4 over 4 and splitter like the eco split and numerous other types of 16 speeds.

If you’ve driven any of them what’s the big deal.The 18 speed has just got all the splits provided that it should have had from day 1.
Why do I need to have driven an 18 speed Fuller, as opposed to 13 speed, to make the case that an Australian import fitted with one seems like a good bet if a manual box is a priority.Oh and something without the depreciation curve of a rock off a cliff.

[switchlogic]

Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Well of course Trucknet legend does speak from a wealth of experience…having never actually driven any of this Auto Euro Junk let alone anything American! He creates entire worlds in his head and poor you if you dispute any of his fiction with actual facts

I would love to get him in a modern auto! Then we’d get measure of him, wether he makes opinions that he never deviates from before experiencing something or wether his mind is open enough to learn. The ultimate truck I think for that would be a Volvo FH 540 Dual Clutch with all the toys, best truck I’ve ever driven (and I’ve driven the odd decent truck Though none American yet alas)

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And that was 2018, I can’t wait to try out the new FH and FM

Firstly the 18 speed Fuller is effectively just the 13 speed Fuller with splitter on the low range and the high range.
I’m sure I’d know where

Errrrr…ok

[punchy_dan]

I’ve just changed my oil seal its got to be the easiest one to do ever .

[carryfast]

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Firstly the 18 speed Fuller is effectively just the 13 speed Fuller with splitter on the low range and the high range.
I’m sure I’d know where

Errrrr…ok

Apologies I edited the post but had already submitted it by mistake then the proper edited post got lost in the premod for some reason.

Yep people routinely convert 13 speed Fullers to 18 speed.

So the drivers brain is the ECU with human eyeballs to actually see what gear is needed well ahead.All connected to clutch and shift by the arm and leg.Cheaper and less to go wrong and easier to fix if it does and 6 more gears to choose from than I shift.That’s progress.

[robroy]

Carryfast:

robroy:
So what kind of truck have you driven with an 18 speed Fuller fitted Carryfast?
They were a rarity in this country (as far as I remember)
The majority of ERFs, Seddon Atks, Transcontis, etc with the Fuller option spec, had the 9 or 13 speed option, the 18 speed were (again as far as I remember) special spec and/or for the US market.

As I said the 18 speed is just like the 13 speed with the splitter operational on the low range and the high range what’s not to like.

It combines all the advantages of the 13 speed with those of numerous euro types of 4 over 4 and splitter like the eco split and numerous other types of 16 speeds.

If you’ve driven any of them what’s the big deal.The 18 speed has just got all the splits provided that it should have had from day 1.
Why do I need to have driven an 18 speed Fuller, as opposed to 13 speed, to make the case that an Australian import fitted with one seems like a good bet if a manual box is a priority.Oh and something without the depreciation curve of a rock off a cliff.

After using (and mastering) numerous type boxes, David Browns, ZFs,.Spicers, Eaton twin splitters, certain marque’s ‘in house’ boxes, autos and of course Fullers of all types, including the back to front one (early SedAtk 400s) I don’t really need a lecture on them…but thanks for the thought anyway.

I just thought it would be an opportunity for you to actually substantiate something you have put on here in terms of actual experience rather than something you have swotted up on.

[switchlogic]

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Firstly the 18 speed Fuller is effectively just the 13 speed Fuller with splitter on the low range and the high range.
I’m sure I’d know where

Errrrr…ok

Apologies I edited the post but had already submitted it by mistake then the proper edited post got lost in the premod for some reason.

Yep people routinely convert 13 speed Fullers to 18 speed.

So the drivers brain is the ECU with human eyeballs to actually see what gear is needed well ahead.All connected to clutch and shift by the arm and leg.Cheaper and less to go wrong and easier to fix if it does and 6 more gears to choose from than I shift.That’s progress.

He says, having never actually driven any auto lorry, let alone an iShift

[carryfast]

robroy:

Carryfast:
I just thought it would be an opportunity for you to actually substantiate something you have put on here in terms of actual experience rather than something you have swotted up on.

Experience as in 13 speed Fuller you mean.It’s not rocket science to realise that there was no reason why the splitter shouldn’t work on both ranges.So they fixed it what’s not to like now it’s an 18 speed v the I shift’s 12.

[carryfast]

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
So the drivers brain is the ECU with human eyeballs to actually see what gear is needed well ahead.All connected to clutch and shift by the arm and leg.Cheaper and less to go wrong and easier to fix if it does and 6 more gears to choose from than I shift.That’s progress.

He says, having never actually driven any auto lorry, let alone an iShift

Which part of, I drove Allison equipped vehicles, didn’t you understand.
Since when did the I shift have 18 speeds connected directly to the driver’s brain and eyes via clutch and gear shift lever.

[discoman]

Carryfast:

robroy:
So what kind of truck have you driven with an 18 speed Fuller fitted Carryfast?
They were a rarity in this country (as far as I remember)
The majority of ERFs, Seddon Atks, Transcontis, etc with the Fuller option spec, had the 9 or 13 speed option, the 18 speed were (again as far as I remember) special spec and/or for the US market.

As I said the 18 speed is just like the 13 speed with the splitter operational on the low range and the high range what’s not to like.

It combines all the advantages of the 13 speed with those of numerous euro types of 4 over 4 and splitter like the eco split and numerous other types of 16 speeds.

If you’ve driven any of them what’s the big deal.The 18 speed has just got all the splits provided that it should have had from day 1.
Why do I need to have driven an 18 speed Fuller, as opposed to 13 speed, to make the case that an Australian import fitted with one seems like a good bet if a manual box is a priority.Oh and something without the depreciation curve of a rock off a cliff.

You make a case for Australian

1, you ever been to Australia?
2, you ever driven an Australian built KW?
3, you are aware, for £7500 uk you get a 40 year old truck in Australia…

The facts are, European trucks are a better truck than the Aussie kenworths or freightliner etc … easier for maintaining, driving, space etc … maybe do proper due diligence in your google searching prior to thinking you know all…

MAN, Volvo, Scania, Iveco, Isuzu, Fuso, are really good trucks over here, the tippers are all 1980’s models because they are so expensive … and have 2 million k on the clocks.

But, you would know that if you have been here, as for an Eaton fuller road ranger, why would a young driver want to knacker his knees etc driving old tat… days of driving a day can Bedford with a plank of wood and sleeping bag over the engine are long gone.

Why would he want to spend 20 to 30k Sterling getting an old truck over when he can buy one for 9k and get a engine overhaul and good for another 1 million …

Automatics are the future.

[robroy]

Carryfast:

robroy:

Carryfast:
I just thought it would be an opportunity for you to actually substantiate something you have put on here in terms of actual experience rather than something you have swotted up on.

Experience as in 13 speed Fuller you mean.It’s not rocket science to realise that there was no reason why the splitter shouldn’t work on both ranges.So they fixed it what’s not to like now it’s an 18 speed v the I shift’s 12.

You keep going on about ‘rocket science’ …Where exactly did I say I did not realise, understand or already know(he stresses ) what you said??.

Grandmother/■■■■ eggs.

[carryfast]

discoman:
You make a case for Australian

1, you ever been to Australia?
2, you ever driven an Australian built KW?
3, you are aware, for £7500 uk you get a 40 year old truck in Australia…

The facts are, European trucks are a better truck than the Aussie kenworths or freightliner etc … easier for maintaining, driving, space etc … maybe do proper due diligence in your google searching prior to thinking you know all…

MAN, Volvo, Scania, Iveco, Isuzu, Fuso, are really good trucks over here, the tippers are all 1980’s models because they are so expensive … and have 2 million k on the clocks.

But, you would know that if you have been here, as for an Eaton fuller road ranger, why would a young driver want to knacker his knees etc driving old tat… days of driving a day can Bedford with a plank of wood and sleeping bag over the engine are long gone.

Why would he want to spend 20 to 30k Sterling getting an old truck over when he can buy one for 9k and get a engine overhaul and good for another 1 million …

Automatics are the future.

Yep I make the case for Australian.The fact that a Euro heap is worth less than £5k when a KW is worth £30k at similar age is a clue.
Auto means only 12 speeds and for all its expensive tech it’s still blind so can’t see the road ahead.Oh and the human brain has 20% more capacity than Yahoo’s 2 Petabyte computer centre.Put a couple of arms and legs and eyes with it operating a simple cheap to maintain and purchase manual box that’s my idea of the future.

[switchlogic]

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
So the drivers brain is the ECU with human eyeballs to actually see what gear is needed well ahead.All connected to clutch and shift by the arm and leg.Cheaper and less to go wrong and easier to fix if it does and 6 more gears to choose from than I shift.That’s progress.

He says, having never actually driven any auto lorry, let alone an iShift

Which part of, I drove Allison equipped vehicles, didn’t you understand.
Since when did the I shift have 18 speeds connected directly to the driver’s brain and eyes via clutch and gear shift lever.

Oh my apologies for taking you at face value. When I asked a while back about any automatic truck experience you said you hadn’t driven any and said closest you came was an EPS. Tho to be fair driving a Allison auto 20+ years ago in a fire engine of all things is pretty much no relevant experience when it comes to modern trucks tho is it? Dunno why I put a question mark there as we all know you’ll think you know it all anyway.

I love this ‘it’s got more gears so it must be better’ approach you’re taking. Where did you learn that? Primary School?