mushroomman:
P.S. Campanologist, that word rings a bell would that be a Geologist who does a lot of field work.
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A camponologist is a bell ringer,as in church bells.
I ought to know,mywife’s sister and her daughter are bell ringers.
JAWS:
Hi All
For me Death Valley was between Bolu and Ankara the piece of motorway with the large rock in the middle of the road shaped like the top of a minaret between the armco and the pay arch at the bottom I once got sent off on to the old road thankfully never again.I have great respect for all those how used that road before the pay road was built.
A request I only passed over the following hill in the day light without a camera and ever time with a camera in the dark, has any body got a picture of the place that I will try to discribe, between Osmaniye and Gaziantep a long sweeping desent into a valley when you stopped at the dirt parking at the top you could see most of the road to the town in the valley and the trucks near the town looked like dinky toys.
Ian
I have some pics taken on Death Valley.
I’ll dig them out and post them,it’s too late tonight,I’m just off to bed.
Sorry, I thought Jaws meant that there was a Death Valley and a Diesel Mountain in Bulgaria 
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Enjoyed the photo’s Gavin Smith, how about posting that one from Posanti on this thread 
I bet I can guess where it is this time .
Hopefully somebody can explain exactly where The Bogie Camp was between Istanbul and Ankara, how far was it just after Bolu or was it near the top 
and Keith, I seemed to remember that all the villages in the Commie Block had
loudspeakers on the lamp posts and often played music as well as broadcasting political propaganda.
It would be great if Gavin McArdle could find some more old photo’s of his Bromilow Scammell .
Best regards Steve.
JAWS:
Hi All
For me Death Valley was between Bolu and Ankara the piece of motorway with the large rock in the middle of the road shaped like the top of a minaret between the armco and the pay arch at the bottom I once got sent off on to the old road thankfully never again.I have great respect for all those how used that road before the pay road was built.
Diesel Mountian between Zackho and Mosel the one with Saddam Picture in the middle of the hair pin and nearly at the bottom in the ravine on the right a German double decker Bus at the bottom and the whole hill covered in deisel from the overloaded Tonkas no grip loaded or empty and it allways took me weeks to get the ridge out of the middle of the seat.
A request I only passed over the following hill in the day light without a camera and ever time with a camera in the dark, has any body got a picture of the place that I will try to discribe, between Osmaniye and Gaziantep a long sweeping desent into a valley when you stopped at the dirt parking at the top you could see most of the road to the town in the valley and the trucks near the town looked like dinky toys. I have been told by a Turkish friend he thinks the town I am talking about might be Nurdagi?
Regards to you All
Ian
Motorway,armco,pay arch?
Death valley for me was always the steep descent from Bolu on the Ankara side.A steep twisting road with a rock face on the left and a gorge on the right as you went down.
Many was the wreck caused by drivers thinking that as they went round one bend the road would level out,instead it continued down,and down,when your Ferodo was on fire it was too late.
Things were often made worse if you happened to meet a “Kamikaze” bus overtaking a “Tonka” as you came round a bend.
I managed to snap these pics of a Dutch motor,Centrex I think,that ran out of brakes.The driver chose to park it in the rock face rather than the gorge.The Turkish driver was never found.It was thought he jumped and did a runner.
That is/was a DAF 2800 under the trailer!
mushroomman:
bestbooties:
When I had a black and white TV in the cab and I was in the Commie bloc,I could pick up quite a few programmes,but I was really surprised at the number of English adverts there were dubbed into whatever language they happened to be using.Hi Ian, your own black and white T.V. how cool
( you capitalist westerner
Best regards Steve.
I can remember when going into Turkey I had to have all the details of my TV put in my passport!
JAWS:
Hi All
For me Death Valley was between Bolu and Ankara the piece of motorway with the large rock in the middle of the road shaped like the top of a minaret between the armco and the pay arch at the bottom I once got sent off on to the old road thankfully never again.I have great respect for all those how used that road before the pay road was built.
has any body got a picture of the place that I will try to discribe, between Osmaniye and Gaziantep a long sweeping desent into a valley when you stopped at the dirt parking at the top you could see most of the road to the town in the valley and the trucks near the town looked like dinky toys. I have been told by a Turkish friend he thinks the town I am talking about might be Nurdagi?
Regards to you All
Ian
I don’t know about drags betweenm Osmaniye and Gaziantep,but there were a lot of them along that Southern route heading for Iraq.
This is one such,cannot think of the precise location other than South Eastern Turkey between Osmaniye and Cizre.
Colonel:
The hill between Zahko and Mosul could hardly be called a mountain, but I do remember that the road used to melt like mad and run down into ripples. Never sawe a picture of Sadaam either, but then that might have come after I had packed it all in 1980.
This is the top of said hill,looking out over Turkey,before the descent to Zahko.
Before reaching the bridge over the river Tigris that is the frontier between Iraq and Turkey.
This is a view taken between Mosul and Baghdad looking East towards the mountains of iran.
I never had the time to take photos on the scale you seem to have, Ian. It was never a hobby of mine and looking at them now makes me wish I had stopped to smell the roses, so to speak.
The reason I called it a hill, was because on one trip, my friend in a scania 110 had a bit of range change problem and we were discussing whether or not he would get over the top in high range only as he was unable to split the range whilst moving. As it happened he did not need the lower range at all to get over the top, which tells me that no way could that little pimple be considered a mountain.
Mushrooman wrote:
Enjoyed the photo’s Gavin Smith, how about posting that one from Posanti on this thread I bet I can guess where it is this time .
Hopefully somebody can explain exactly where The Bogie Camp was between Istanbul and Ankara, how far was it just after Bolu or was it near the top
Here you go Mushy 2nd time round !!
The (Bulgy) Bogie camp was the TIR Kontrol at Duzce, just before the long straight into the foothills of Bolu, It was always full of Wombels, coming and going from Iran and Iraq.
And heres a photo just after entering Turkey at Habur.
Same trip a few klicks further up the road !!
TIR Kontrol at Duzce, the copper on duty there always insisted we had driven too many hours, and had to park for one hour, I think his brother owned the restuarant.
Dave.
Thank you Bestbooties
I am 99% sure that this is the descent I am talking about I do not think that your photo was taken from the top but down a little but thanks for finding it.
Death Valley
I can only repeat the bold that I have already posted
I have great respect for all those how used that road before the pay road was built.
Regards JAWS aka Ian
GS Overland
Thanks for the photos of Diesel mountain not big but very slippery is that a Dutch Cetrum truck in front? or another Astran?
The photos of Habur bring back memories of the mad rush for the customs arch 30 rows of trucks trying to get in the single arch just CRAZY.
Have you looked at Dave Mackie’s site there is a great caricature Drawn By Johnny Neville of Lawrabian which you are on. There are a few that I know but I am unable to put names to I will keep trying.
By the way John now lives at Maidstone now and looks the same!
Davie’s site zarafshan.netne.net/
Regards Ian
Sorry all
I have fat fingers
I have great respect for all those who used that road before the pay road was built.
That is my excuse, Dyslexic? who me?
Ian P
Hi Ian
The truck in front of me in the last pics entering Turkey was Mike Walker.
So you will remember scenes like the one below then !!
and this one
and of course scenes like this !! Arses in the air…facing east.!
And here is the fantastic carichature that Johhny Neville drew, I have got the original and it has been posted on here by me before, “The Professionals”
GS
Hi GS
Sorry I did not know that you were the proud owner of the orignal caricature. I was hoping to see John at the old drivers summer gathering but I will probably be at home in Holland in late August, as long as the wife does not think that I will be doing any DIY if she does I will go and see my cousin and Chinky.
I will now have nightmares about the sea of trucks 
How many wing mirrors did you lose or got turned around and was unable to reset untill you were through that dam arch. real door handle driving there!
Regards Ian
Ah GS wondered who had that great drawing wanted a copy some time ago but never got round to it .how are you anyway my bloody knees are giving me a bad time at the moment.I am off to buy a house in Sweden soon its where all ME drivers should retire sod the Sand and sun seen enough of that peace and quiet and some good fishing, a sauna and a Swedish blonde walking on your back to ease the years of driving pain.O Well thats got this tread back on the top where it belongs
Roger Haywood
Hi Roger, stop wingeing about your knees and get down the doctors, get him to book you in for partial or full replacement knee surgery, I had a partial done at the end of march and I was driving down to Barcelona at the end of april; it’s still a bit sore and swells up a bit now and again but its still early days really, can’t run about yet but then I never could although I can walk a couple of miles without any real problems and it does’nt set the alarms off through security in the airports either. Maybe the sun and sand would be good for it as opposed to the wet and damp, might go rusty.
Charlie
chazzer:
Hi Roger, stop wingeing about your knees and get down the doctors, get him to book you in for partial or full replacement knee surgery, I had a partial done at the end of march and I was driving down to Barcelona at the end of april; it’s still a bit sore and swells up a bit now and again but its still early days really, can’t run about yet but then I never could although I can walk a couple of miles without any real problems and it does’nt set the alarms off through security in the airports either. Maybe the sun and sand would be good for it as opposed to the wet and damp, might go rusty.
Charlie
Hullo Charlie,
Get it all done now mate, your mate Mister G.B. will pay for it. It,ll cost you a fortune if you do bugger off to the States.he he!
Cheers, Archie.
Well I wasn’t that lucky with my half new knee in my right leg. Operation in November and still giving me hell. Very painful all of the time.
So come on then lads. Who are The Professionals in the drawing ■■? …!!!