assessment drive

Peter Smythe:
We’ve got 4 autos. No hesitation or messing about with any of them.

I’ve driven quite a few for selection purposes and, whilst some are more responsive than others, I’ve never had this hesitation problem that folks speak of.

Maybe it’s just me.

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

Did you drive them loaded though? Most of them appear fine with a near empty trailer, but stick several tonnes on the trailer and (some of them) become quite prone to hesitation etc. Sometimes you can fool them (a useful tip with some is to partially apply the handbrake - just enough to light up the park brake light on the dash, thus spoofing the autobox into thinking that you are pulling off from a standing start) but on other occasions they really do take several seconds to respond to right foot, select a gear and take up the drive.

Did you drive them loaded though? Most of them appear fine with a near empty trailer, but stick several tonnes on the trailer and (some of them) become quite prone to hesitation etc.

In fairness, most were empty. But the ones we operate are loaded to capacity except the artic which only has 8 tonnes on it’s back. Have driven a fully loaded Stralis and FH - both excellent.

One of the common moans is the lack of slow speed control. Gave me great joy to point out the “slow” button on a guy’s Eurocargo when he was moaning about it being uncontrollable.

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

ROG:
Auto would be easier still :smiley:

Did someone say auto :laughing:

Got to say same as Pete, no hesitation on our auto trucks from a standing start, I do think its a bit of a myth.

I’ll see if i can put together a video this week and post it on youtube, i’ll put a link on here for everyone to view, i’ll have to dust off the GoPro camera and put it in the Volvo FH and FE, both have i-Shift gearboxes which are market leading and frankly they change gear better than any driver could possibly manage all the time.

Maybe some of issues arise from drivers not adapting well to an auto, don’t expect the gearbox to do what you want it to do, it does what it wants, considering clutch load, fuel economy, suitable starting gear, engine speed all to reduce wear and tear. If you are used to teaching drivers to launch off from a standing start at a roundabout in a high gear then an auto gearbox is never going to be as quick off the mark. They are without doubt slower to gain speed from a standstill compared to a manual truck being bullied into a small gap but only because they won’t over rev the engine, but with an auto you can relax, wait for a more suitable gap and let the gearbox do the work, after all it knows what to do better than you do.

One thing that these auto boxes do is hold onto a higher gear than you would normally do in a manual when slowing down, they only select the gear you need once you press the accelerator - this is the delay everyone speaks of, so this just boils down to the driver needing to plan his/her driving better, just like you would driving a diesel car with a fair bit of turbo lag - keep the accelerator depressed hard down until the engine revs to 2000rpm then start easing it off as the power builds, also you would find yourself applying the accelerator slightly earlier to cope with the turbo delay. Most drivers will naturally adapt to any vehicle, whatever it requires without much thought and auto’s are no different, in my opinion they inspire smoother and safer driving than a manual truck, but on the downside it less enjoyable to drive if you are very skilled with large gearboxes, they are, well, a bit boring - because everyone just passes the driving test, with no drama’s most of the time.

Good instruction will enable any trainee to adapt to an auto gearbox, it takes a different skill to driving a manual. Avoid rushing up to a roundabout and suddenly demanding max power from the engine/gearbox suddenly, drive up to normally, find your gap before you arrive, go onto the accelerator in good time tell the gearbox what you want to do. If you need to stop, just wait for a normal gap, don’t try to bully off the line 12 tons of dead weight, it won’t let you so you have to adapt your driving style and some existing drivers will always prefer a manual gearbox. Which is why we have kept our Volvo FH440 Globetrotter with a manual gearbox with both a range change and splitter, its a joy to drive - but a lot more wearing on the driver.

Just to give people an idea, i too am looking to do a cat c, and agree with the original post, i will learn in a manual and step down to an auto, which i feel will be easier than passing auto, then doing manual, get the manual out the way first. I will be doing my 5 day practicle later as i have a terminally ill family member to see from the world first, but am doing ok, with 7.5 t rights i have a full dcpc, my digi card, passed therory and hazard, now have 2 yrs to get the practicle done, test drives i have been with kent metro, 8 speed slap box, A Class Gillingham 4 over 4, and have 9th Feb booked with Gordon springate 6 pseed straight up at detling hill.
Of the two trials done i also prefere 4 over 4, ill see what the 6 speed straight brings 9th Feb if the snow leaves off.

ROG:
Auto would be easier still :smiley:

What if the assessment drive is a manual? Telling them auto is easier probably wouldn’t make it any easier.

Good instruction will enable any trainee to adapt to an auto gearbox

Not aware of any instruction we give to work with an auto apart from press “D” and go. Volvo seems very complicated to me.

Pete :laughing: :laughing:

Gotta agree with Paul at Elmet

We have 13 2014 Merc Antos auto 18 tonners and you can come to a roundabout,ready to go and then the 8 speed auto pile of turd can suddenly scream its nuts off and go into meltdown while it decides which gear to select. Doesn’t seem to do it as often if you are stationary but it can cause traffic to slow on roundabouts for you.

I have driven every Antos we have and its the same with them all so its not a ‘software issue’ on the odd one.

And its not me driving crap lol!! I think the gearbox is the same in the Arocs/Antos.

Tockwith Training:
Got to say same as Pete, no hesitation on our auto trucks from a standing start, I do think its a bit of a myth.

I’ll see if i can put together a video this week and post it on youtube, i’ll put a link on here for everyone to view, i’ll have to dust off the GoPro camera and put it in the Volvo FH and FE, both have i-Shift gearboxes which are market leading and frankly they change gear better than any driver could possibly manage all the time.

Maybe some of issues arise from drivers not adapting well to an auto, don’t expect the gearbox to do what you want it to do, it does what it wants, considering clutch load, fuel economy, suitable starting gear, engine speed all to reduce wear and tear. If you are used to teaching drivers to launch off from a standing start at a roundabout in a high gear then an auto gearbox is never going to be as quick off the mark. They are without doubt slower to gain speed from a standstill compared to a manual truck being bullied into a small gap but only because they won’t over rev the engine, but with an auto you can relax, wait for a more suitable gap and let the gearbox do the work, after all it knows what to do better than you do.

One thing that these auto boxes do is hold onto a higher gear than you would normally do in a manual when slowing down, they only select the gear you need once you press the accelerator - this is the delay everyone speaks of, so this just boils down to the driver needing to plan his/her driving better, just like you would driving a diesel car with a fair bit of turbo lag - keep the accelerator depressed hard down until the engine revs to 2000rpm then start easing it off as the power builds, also you would find yourself applying the accelerator slightly earlier to cope with the turbo delay. Most drivers will naturally adapt to any vehicle, whatever it requires without much thought and auto’s are no different, in my opinion they inspire smoother and safer driving than a manual truck, but on the downside it less enjoyable to drive if you are very skilled with large gearboxes, they are, well, a bit boring - because everyone just passes the driving test, with no drama’s most of the time.

Good instruction will enable any trainee to adapt to an auto gearbox, it takes a different skill to driving a manual. Avoid rushing up to a roundabout and suddenly demanding max power from the engine/gearbox suddenly, drive up to normally, find your gap before you arrive, go onto the accelerator in good time tell the gearbox what you want to do. If you need to stop, just wait for a normal gap, don’t try to bully off the line 12 tons of dead weight, it won’t let you so you have to adapt your driving style and some existing drivers will always prefer a manual gearbox. Which is why we have kept our Volvo FH440 Globetrotter with a manual gearbox with both a range change and splitter, its a joy to drive - but a lot more wearing on the driver.

It’s not about tardy acceleration from a standing start, nor is it about flooring the pedal to get the revs up then easing off. The issue arises when (planning ahead, like a good little driver so as to avoid coming to a full handbrake-on halt) you roll up to e.g. a roundabout, looking to merge into a suitable gap in the traffic. You are rolling up towards your decision point, you see the gap, you floor the throttle and - nothing. It’s not that the engine is taking its time to pick up revs, or it’s in too high a gear to pick up smartly - it’s as if you are not pressing the throttle pedal AT ALL as the computer takes over and, while it works out what would appear to be an appropriate gear, it allows no fuel to be injected and so NOTHING HAPPENS for several seconds. During this time, your chosen gap has been and gone and so now you do have to come to a full stop and do the standing start thing.