OssieD:
Many years ago I used to be an asbestos lagger, taking of the old asbestos on piping in boiler houses etc, you lived in the stuff you couldn’t see your hand in from of your face, and had your tea and sarnies down there too , no safety gear back then, when I went on the road one of the first jobs I had on a regular basis was running sacks of asbestos from Avonmouth docks back to London, same again you lived in the dust, not saying you shouldn’t take precaution nowadays, but there seems to be a fair bit of hysteria about asbestos that seems to have turned it into a big money earner, but I’m still here at 71 as are one or two of the others I worked with….Just saying.
Ossie
Surprised you’re still with us
I think you’re right about the hysteria, I don’t believe asbestos is particularly dangerous unless you’ve been exposed to it on a regular basis and even then it can take many years to affect you, so you might make 72
I was told on a course I had to go on that the average person has 100’s of 1000’s of fibres in their lungs as asbestos is in the air.
robroy:
Does anybody know about this stuff, and does ‘Grade 3’ or whatever actually exist, or were they a bunch of cowboys talking bull [zb].
Hi robroy,
TBH, I’ve never heard of this ‘grade 3’ thing.
From a look at ADR’s dangerous goods list, I can offer you the following:
There are two entries for asbestos…
UN 2212 BLUE ASBESTOS (= crocidolite) or BROWN ASBESTOS ( = amosite, mysorite) UN Class 9, Packing Group II
and
UN 2590 WHITE ASBESTOS ( = chrysotile, actinolite, anthophyllite, tremolite) UN Class 9, Packing Group III
ADR has a ‘get -out’ if the asbestos is encased in a binder, but there’s no way that ‘get out’ could be taken to include the stuff you saw blowing about.
General info about asbestos:
Overexposure to breathing asbestos may cause asbestosis, pulmonary fibrosis, mesothelioma, other lung disorders or cancer.
There are no acute signs or symptoms associated with asbestos.
Routes into the body include: inhalation, skin contact and ingestion
Diseases associated with over exposure to asbestos are chronic, generally taking from 10 to 40 years to become apparent.
Was working on a house doing some renovation. Thought we may have uncovered asbestos so rang a specialist for a survey. The guy who came out had previously worked as an asbestos advisor on legislation then moved onto advise the NHS and councils. Turned out we did have asbestos but not where thought. Said its no problem as long as not disturbed such that it creates dust and calmed any worries. He said its a strange one that some people get diseases after many years but there have been cases of an acute exposure.
Got the impression it’s not to be messed with in dust form and the precuations in asbestos removal on commercial sites are extremely strict and only authorised companies allowed to do it. Like you not keen on ringing people but this is pretty serious stuff. Def ring Council mate, even if this guy was joking and you noticed dust blowing across to where children are. If theyre doing it safely, there’s nothing for them to fear.
Some links for info. I don’t understand or pretend to know about this stuff but looks like industrial work is split into licenced and in licenced. Factories would fall under the HSE hse.gov.uk/asbestos/licensin … actor.htmP
OssieD:
Many years ago I used to be an asbestos lagger, taking of the old asbestos on piping in boiler houses etc, you lived in the stuff you couldn’t see your hand in from of your face, and had your tea and sarnies down there too , no safety gear back then, when I went on the road one of the first jobs I had on a regular basis was running sacks of asbestos from Avonmouth docks back to London, same again you lived in the dust, not saying you shouldn’t take precaution nowadays, but there seems to be a fair bit of hysteria about asbestos that seems to have turned it into a big money earner, but I’m still here at 71 as are one or two of the others I worked with….Just saying.
Ossie
Surprised you’re still with us
I think you’re right about the hysteria, I don’t believe asbestos is particularly dangerous unless you’ve been exposed to it on a regular basis and even then it can take many years to affect you, so you might make 72
I was told on a course I had to go on that the average person has 100’s of 1000’s of fibres in their lungs as asbestos is in the air.
Managed over the years to do every thing that bad for you, ie: smoking, drinking, fornicating and sitting on top of diesel engine for the last 50 years, managed happily to get my three score years and ten in, so every year now is a bonus, one things you can guarantee, you wont leave this life alive… Happy days
OssieD:
Many years ago I used to be an asbestos lagger, taking of the old asbestos on piping in boiler houses etc, you lived in the stuff you couldn’t see your hand in from of your face, and had your tea and sarnies down there too , no safety gear back then, when I went on the road one of the first jobs I had on a regular basis was running sacks of asbestos from Avonmouth docks back to London, same again you lived in the dust, not saying you shouldn’t take precaution nowadays, but there seems to be a fair bit of hysteria about asbestos that seems to have turned it into a big money earner, but I’m still here at 71 as are one or two of the others I worked with….Just saying.
Ossie
Ossie your statement finishing with as are one or two others is not really much of a confidence booster as these days 71 is not considered that old, and there are always exceptions to the rule.
I have had breathing issues recently and was worried about Asbestos related problems from when I was a hgv fitter. We used to blow all the dust off of brake drums, linings and clutches with no mask, even reline brake shoes using an air chisel to get the old linings off and this was in the ‘old days’ before asbestos free linings etc. We used to be able to taste the stuff! Breathing problems seem to come out in your later life, I’m 64, however I did about 45 minutes of breathing tests and so far I am OK thank goodness. Had me worried for a while though so I can understand folk being concerned about the stuff.
I remember an old lad in his eighties removing all the old asbestos sheets from his garage roof to raise it and taking them to the council tip, no way would they take them (too dangerous mate) until he got £25 out of his wallet and they had no problem taking it then!
My dads got chronic lung desease and breathing problems due to being in contact with asbestos on building sites and factory’s when he was a scaffolder in the 70s to early 90s. Horrible stuff, he’s on 3 inhalers and God knows how many tablets including warfarin to prevent blood clots on his lungs. I would’ve ■■■■■■ off stright out of there and sod the load.
OssieD:
Many years ago I used to be an asbestos lagger, taking of the old asbestos on piping in boiler houses etc, you lived in the stuff you couldn’t see your hand in from of your face, and had your tea and sarnies down there too , no safety gear back then, when I went on the road one of the first jobs I had on a regular basis was running sacks of asbestos from Avonmouth docks back to London, same again you lived in the dust, not saying you shouldn’t take precaution nowadays, but there seems to be a fair bit of hysteria about asbestos that seems to have turned it into a big money earner, but I’m still here at 71 as are one or two of the others I worked with….Just saying.
Ossie
Ossie your statement finishing with as are one or two others is not really much of a confidence booster as these days 71 is not considered that old, and there are always exceptions to the rule.
Were still here, so I’ll see how it goes, lost more friends through driving than natural causes including one who was murdered doing this job, very sad, still another day tomorrow.
OK, thanks for the responses lads (that is apart from contraflow’s ) I think I will maybe make some enquiries tomorrow. As I said I hate this ‘reporting people’ ■■■■, but I reckon in this case these ■■■■■■■ s should be stopped for people’s health sake.
Will keep anybody on here that is interested up to date with what happens.
windrush:
I have had breathing issues recently and was worried about Asbestos related problems from when I was a hgv fitter. We used to blow all the dust off of brake drums, linings and clutches with no mask, even reline brake shoes using an air chisel to get the old linings off and this was in the ‘old days’ before asbestos free linings etc. We used to be able to taste the stuff! Breathing problems seem to come out in your later life, I’m 64, however I did about 45 minutes of breathing tests and so far I am OK thank goodness. Had me worried for a while though so I can understand folk being concerned about the stuff.
I remember an old lad in his eighties removing all the old asbestos sheets from his garage roof to raise it and taking them to the council tip, no way would they take them (too dangerous mate) until he got £25 out of his wallet and they had no problem taking it then!
Pete.
Same here. Using the airline on drum brakes and clutches (air chisel, luxury ) we just disappeared in a cloud. We took 'em off with a hammer and chisel and then used a bolt, upright in a vice, balanced the shoe with our chest and then bashed the rivets over with hammer and punch.
Also did the renovation bit. Smashing sheet asbestos to put on the car trailer for the dump, etc. 68 in June and often wonder if I’ll get caught with it.
) we just disappeared in a cloud. We took 'em off with a hammer and chisel and then used a bolt, upright in a vice, balanced the shoe with our chest and then bashed the rivets over with hammer and punch.
