switchlogic:
As for Cardiff being West Wales? Pembroke being near Fishguard? Do you get lost often?
To be fair Cardiff is west of Newport.
While always speak German in the Sud Tirol and Alsace and if they complain tell em it ain’t Italy and France they should be handed back to where they belong WW1 is over.
Personality indeed.
To add Fishguard is in …Pembrokeshire.
I’m also guessing that Switch preferred to use the tunnels than mountain passes.Right hand drive makes it a lot easier to see the edge of the road in that regard.Bearing in mind his tendency towards off road adventures and it’s impossible to emulate the Italian job stunt with an artic.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
If it’s not a closed shop then tell me why are so many new drivers advised to get their ‘experience’ on agencies doing crap local UK work and why is such work mainly all they have to offer v International ?Because that’s how it works and is exactly how the vast majority of us got onto international work. How can you not see that?
Not according to Harry.Although his story seems to change with the weather.
What suddenly happened to pass the test in the morning off to Italy in the afternoon.
The truth is swallow the crap work you’ll stay on it.Resulting in the reality of the greedy chosen few whingeing about the home time they lost with continuous turn arounds, while others were lumbered with being bored out of their skulls on local UK work or at best trunking.
Which is why you’ll rarely if ever find any agency offering even holiday cover international work.
It’s a closed shop which both employers and drivers think is too good for agency drivers or anyone who’s face doesn’t fit.
Nope, it works as I said. Exceptions don’t prove the rule, no matter how desperately wish they did. You know how old I was before I was heading on proper international work in a truck? I did tell you once but you’ve no doubt forgotten, 29. So why did my face not fit for 8 years then suddenly it did? My Dad was nearly 40 before he took a full time International job. You’re just epically clueless and there’s one thing I’ve found that is common to all international operators I’ve worked, good ones anyway- they don’t suffer fools gladly and have razor sharp t*at detection
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
My Dad also worked for Nolan’s and with my brother all 3 of us worked for Virginia at one point and none of us experienced what you say you have. Between the 3 of us we have over 25 years experience working for Irish companies. Virginia was far and away the best job I have and probably ever will haveSo the definition of face fits internal recruitment.
As opposed to unknown UK drivers getting a break through the use of UK agencies and those ‘international’ drivers getting a break from all that time away by doing local UK work on a let’s say 2 monthly rota.
Your narrative’ like Harry’s, is unravelling laughably so.
It’s called having a personality that doesn’t drive everyone away, that’s all. Tell me, how many real friends do you actually have? Actual friends? Besides, You wouldn’t have lasted 5 seconds working for an Irish operator. Esp Virginia as it was mostly a 50/50 mix of U.K. and Irish and international for everyone*, and you’d never have accepted that being all Billy big balls ‘I deserve full time euro’ as you are even without any actual experience. (*tho my brother and many stayed on U.K. work at their request)
switchlogic:
It’s called having a personality
No that’s what you need to be a stand up TV comedy act so no wonder you fit in.
Strange how the need for your personal judgement of ‘personality’ conveniently disappears when it’s local retail multi drop, working on the council, driving a scaffolding or building supplies wagon, or UK night trunking.
So as I said face fits means do you meet Switch’s personality requirement for an international driver as opposed to can you keep a truck on the road.
As for the topic there are two ways of saying two in German and it was a Sud Tirol motorway toll operator who told me that ein zehn ain’t 11 when I said here’s 11,000 lira so that’s how I learnt to say 11 and 12 in German properly.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It’s called having a personalityNo that’s what you need to be a stand up TV comedy act so no wonder you fit in.
Strange how the need for your personal judgement of ‘personality’ conveniently disappears when it’s local retail multi drop, working on the council, driving a scaffolding or building supplies wagon, or UK night trunking.
So as I said face fits means do you meet Switch’s personality requirement for an international driver as opposed to can you keep a truck on the road.
As for the topic there are two ways of saying two in German and it was a Sud Tirol motorway toll operator who told me that ein zehn ain’t 11 when I said here’s 11,000 lira so that’s how I learnt to say 11 and 12 in German properly.
Been there, done that before Virginia, on agency for likes of Tesco, Sainsburys, Iceland, etc both ambient and chilled, drove bin lorries, rigid door to door ones as well as artic ejectors for London waste. Eight wheel tippers. Clothes to high street stores in a 7.5t for DTS, Multidrop milk to stores for Arla. Overnight trunks for many including Wickes which would have been your speciality being drawbars. McDonalds deliveries. Artic Multidrop round London in ERF relics for Leggets. Gist for M&S mostly London stores. Furniture for Parker Knoll where you had to unload yourself and take into stores. From vans to 7.5t to all types of rigids to artic and drawbars. I’ve got the feeling I’ve done way way more [zb] work than you at this stage All in the 8 years desperately trying to find my dream job which I finally did at 29 so you know it sort of shows your theory that it was all handed to me at the really rather silly b/s it is. I got where I was and am by sheer hard work. What seems like luck to you is just determination. Determination you seem to lack
Got to love how you think having an amenable friendly cooperative demeanour is only something celebs need
[Censor dodge removed. L.]
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It’s called having a personalityNo that’s what you need to be a stand up TV comedy act so no wonder you fit in.
Strange how the need for your personal judgement of ‘personality’ conveniently disappears when it’s local retail multi drop, working on the council, driving a scaffolding or building supplies wagon, or UK night trunking.
So as I said face fits means do you meet Switch’s personality requirement for an international driver as opposed to can you keep a truck on the road.
As for the topic there are two ways of saying two in German and it was a Sud Tirol motorway toll operator who told me that ein zehn ain’t 11 when I said here’s 11,000 lira so that’s how I learnt to say 11 and 12 in German properly.Been there, done that before Virginia, on agency for likes of Tesco, Sainsburys, Iceland, etc both ambient and chilled, drove bin lorries, rigid door to door ones as well as artic ejectors for London waste. Eight wheel tippers. Clothes to high street stores in a 7.5t for DTS, Multidrop milk to stores for Arla. Overnight trunks for many including Wickes which would have been your speciality being drawbars. McDonalds deliveries. Artic Multidrop round London in ERF relics for Leggets. Gist for M&S mostly London stores. Furniture for Parker Knoll where you had to unload yourself and take into stores. From vans to 7.5t to all types of rigids to artic and drawbars. I’ve got the feeling I’ve done way way more s*it work than you at this stage
Got to love how you think having an amenable friendly cooperative demeanour is only something celebs need
The point and difference is that none of your face fits bs applies to the UK type dross described.
Also bearing in mind that your view of my supposedly ‘wrong demeanor’ doesn’t explain how an international job offer was actually made based on the interviewer liking my demeanor and work record enough to offer it.
Then apologising profusely for the offer being withdrawn unlike you having actually met me and conversed with me.
He also reacted positively,
to my declining the altered offer of UK work and that luckily I hadn’t handed in my notice because it all sounded too good to be true, along the lines of ‘‘I don’t blame you’’.
However I guess that he would have shown me the door before the driving assessment if I’d said that I’d ditched a truck in the past, or even my car on the way to the interview.
So one interview and one job offer has shaped your perception of exactly how continental trucking is?
Perhaps mainland Europe actually had a lucky escape?
Carryfast:
trunking.
Which is why you’ll rarely if ever find any agency offering even holiday cover international work.
It’s a closed shop which both employers and drivers think is too good for agency drivers or anyone who’s face doesn’t fit.
In my experience of doing agency work, the overwhelming majority of agency drivers have no wish to do nights out, so it’s unlikely that a haulier doing international work would look to an agency to supply a temporary driver.
As for being a “closed shop”, when I was doing continental work I met numerous drivers on the boat who were doing their first ever continental trip.
This is to all members and this is a genuine question please forget all your spats i would like some information on the SCHENGEN ZONE ETC THIS IS NOT I ■■■■ TAKE I WILL EXPLAIN SOME MAY SAY F ----K EM HERE GOES this is not transport related
A FAMILY MEMBER has been working for over 6 years off and on week about for Hospitals and pharmaceutical plants involing clean rooms , all over southern IRLAND .
His main employer is in GERMANY who get the work from a ENGLISH MAN who has lived in Ireland for 10 years and subs it to the GERMANS .
THE ENGLISH man has offered all the Irish work to our family member who accepted and gave his noticed and going this Sunday to IRLAND TO WORK FOR 3 WEEKS then a few days home etc living in hotels ,he has not mentioned this Schengen zone
i am wondering if he may be in trouble later he will be paid in euros as before with the Germans .
the maoster:
So one interview and one job offer has shaped your perception of exactly how continental trucking is?Perhaps mainland Europe actually had a lucky escape?
No it was just a final straw that confirmed all of what I had found out over many years previously, concerning the recruitment regime within that sector of the industry.At least as it applied here.
As I said to the point of many drivers doing it whingeing about their lost home life because they weren’t prepared to rotate it with local UK work and/or decent time off between runs.
peggydeckboy:
This is to all members and this is a genuine question please forget all your spats i would like some information on the SCHENGEN ZONE ETC THIS IS NOT I ■■■■ TAKE I WILL EXPLAIN SOME MAY SAY F ----K EM HERE GOES this is not transport relatedA FAMILY MEMBER has been working for over 6 years off and on week about for Hospitals and pharmaceutical plants involing clean rooms , all over southern IRLAND .
His main employer is in GERMANY who get the work from a ENGLISH MAN who has lived in Ireland for 10 years and subs it to the GERMANS .THE ENGLISH man has offered all the Irish work to our family member who accepted and gave his noticed and going this Sunday to IRLAND TO WORK FOR 3 WEEKS then a few days home etc living in hotels ,he has not mentioned this Schengen zone
i am wondering if he may be in trouble later he will be paid in euros as before with the Germans .
UK and Eire (GB and Ireland) have had for years the CTA (Common Travel Area) this means that citizens of either country are free to travel, live and work in each others country. (This has been so since 1923)
Neither the UK nor Eire are in the Schengen area.
Some EU countries are in the Schengen area, and some aren`t.
Some non EU countries are in Schengen.
Oh, and Eire joined the EU at the same time as UK did. It remains in the EU.
Confused?
Not surprising.
Harry Monk:
As for being a “closed shop”, when I was doing continental work I met numerous drivers on the boat who were doing their first ever continental trip.
Not many after subtracting those who had bs’d their way into that position by claiming ( having to claim ) false international ‘experience’.Or had worked as mechanics which operators rightly or wrongly thought might be of use in getting a broken down truck back on the move.
The truth is any entry into that sector will involve negotiating a minefield of obstacles not least of which being the problem that the longer you’re stuck on UK work the more you’ll be typecast by employers with it.
International is viewed by prospective employers as an elite sector and often coveted by drivers doing it to the point of affecting their home life.
As for agencies are you seriously suggesting that most agency drivers would choose local UK work over international given the choice ?.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
It’s called having a personalityNo that’s what you need to be a stand up TV comedy act so no wonder you fit in.
Strange how the need for your personal judgement of ‘personality’ conveniently disappears when it’s local retail multi drop, working on the council, driving a scaffolding or building supplies wagon, or UK night trunking.
So as I said face fits means do you meet Switch’s personality requirement for an international driver as opposed to can you keep a truck on the road.
As for the topic there are two ways of saying two in German and it was a Sud Tirol motorway toll operator who told me that ein zehn ain’t 11 when I said here’s 11,000 lira so that’s how I learnt to say 11 and 12 in German properly.Been there, done that before Virginia, on agency for likes of Tesco, Sainsburys, Iceland, etc both ambient and chilled, drove bin lorries, rigid door to door ones as well as artic ejectors for London waste. Eight wheel tippers. Clothes to high street stores in a 7.5t for DTS, Multidrop milk to stores for Arla. Overnight trunks for many including Wickes which would have been your speciality being drawbars. McDonalds deliveries. Artic Multidrop round London in ERF relics for Leggets. Gist for M&S mostly London stores. Furniture for Parker Knoll where you had to unload yourself and take into stores. From vans to 7.5t to all types of rigids to artic and drawbars. I’ve got the feeling I’ve done way way more s*it work than you at this stage
Got to love how you think having an amenable friendly cooperative demeanour is only something celebs need
The point and difference is that none of your face fits bs applies to the UK type dross described.
Also bearing in mind that your view of my supposedly ‘wrong demeanor’ doesn’t explain how an international job offer was actually made based on the interviewer liking my demeanor and work record enough to offer it.
Then apologising profusely for the offer being withdrawn unlike you having actually met me and conversed with me.
He also reacted positively,
to my declining the altered offer of UK work and that luckily I hadn’t handed in my notice because it all sounded too good to be true, along the lines of ‘‘I don’t blame you’’.
However I guess that he would have shown me the door before the driving assessment if I’d said that I’d ditched a truck in the past, or even my car on the way to the interview.
Fair enough, not your demeanour, just your unwillingness to take a chance seems to be the long and the short of it. If you dream of doing international work it’s surely better to be working for a company that does it than one that doesn’t? Even if you’re on U.K. for a bit. Like I say 8 years it took me, well 5 years until I got on with HSF but that was just local NL, B, GB, IRL work, 8 with Virginia, where I did U.K. work to begin with as that’s a perfectly normal practice for someone they don’t know from Adam. You were way too over cautious and expected perfect job to fall in your lap. They don’t do that
Carryfast:
As for agencies are you seriously suggesting that most agency drivers would choose local UK work over international given the choice ?.
When I worked on agency this was very common. Agency I was on was filled with ex Euro drivers from Nolan’s, inc my Dad. Because you never did it you can’t understand why people would want to do something different. Like any job it gets to a point where you simply want something else. It does wear you out a bit in the end.
Carryfast:
As for agencies are you seriously suggesting that most agency drivers would choose local UK work over international given the choice ?.
Yes, the overwhelming majority. In my four years working for an agency and talking to numerous other drivers from the same agency, I never once met one who expressed the slightest interest in doing continental work and very few would even be prepared to consider doing a night out. If a driver wanted to do continental work, then he would look for a job at a continental haulier, not an agency.
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
As for being a “closed shop”, when I was doing continental work I met numerous drivers on the boat who were doing their first ever continental trip.Not many after subtracting those who had bs’d their way into that position by claiming ( having to claim ) false international ‘experience’.Or had worked as mechanics which operators rightly or wrongly thought might be of use in getting a broken down truck back on the move.
The truth is any entry into that sector will involve negotiating a minefield of obstacles not least of which being the problem that the longer you’re stuck on UK work the more you’ll be typecast by employers with it.
International is viewed by prospective employers as an elite sector and often coveted by drivers doing it to the point of affecting their home life.
As for agencies are you seriously suggesting that most agency drivers would choose local UK work over international given the choice ?.
So all those thousands and thousands of drivers who did continental work bs’d their way into it, begs the question why didn’t you do that if that’s what you believed they did? My guess is you probably tried that as well and even then they had you sussed out as a lazy unemployable waste of space.
switchlogic:
Clothes to high street stores in a 7.5t for DTS
Just for curiosity was it a Merc or Volvo you drove? If a Volvo what was the name of the chain of shops, for the life of me I just can’t think of the name.
dave docwra:
switchlogic:
Clothes to high street stores in a 7.5t for DTSJust for curiosity was it a Merc or Volvo you drove? If a Volvo what was the name of the chain of shops, for the life of me I just can’t think of the name.
Mercedes. It was mostly independent shops if I remember rightly with mind blowingly expensive clothes!
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
As for agencies are you seriously suggesting that most agency drivers would choose local UK work over international given the choice ?.When I worked on agency this was very common. Agency I was on was filled with ex Euro drivers from Nolan’s, inc my Dad. Because you never did it you can’t understand why people would want to do something different. Like any job it gets to a point where you simply want something else. It does wear you out a bit in the end.
You’ve obviously missed my point.
Firstly I’m not talking about ‘ex’ International drivers.The fact is many of them chose to burn themselves out and/or compromise their home lives rather than share/rotate the job with those like myself on UK work.
As I said there’s something wrong with a situation in which drivers at the peak of their careers are deliberately denied the opportunity to progress and get a decent share of that more interesting work.
The result being that many of us all ended up as losers one way or another.
Having said that I’m not sure that plodding around most of Europe at 50 mph would have been a lot different after a while to UK trunking after limiters were introduced.
On that note ironically I guess that my ideal job would have been continental based, day work, driving a drawbar outfit, never really needing to run any further than the alpine regions of Germany, Austria, France, Italy and Swiss.
A few nights out here and there and every weekend off.Probably more common there than driving a builders wagon or retail multi drop is in Surrey.