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Recession? - This is way beyond that already.

I read a book five years ago that spoke of a deflationary crash brought about by attempts to unify the world without waging wars to do it…

Among the predictions were that interest rates would go negative, ALL “investments” would be down - bar one:

The USD.

Looks like it is coming to pass - in spades!

Everything is cheaper in a deflationary spiral - but people cannot afford to buy stuff, because they are now totally skint, either having their savings stripped by negative interest rates, lost it on the stock markets, or spent it trying to keep up with energy retailers totally taking the ■■■■ all the time, as they still are.

Petrol - down from $2 per gallon at the start of the year to 66cents right now… A two-thirds drop in price… What have we seen at the pumps?

114.9 at best, with lots of forecourts still charging 120p+ and MSAs still charging nearly 150…
Total jokers - and they should be taken out and flogged!

Diesel meanwhile - has dropped through $1 per gallon for the first time in many years as of today.

The “Safe Haven” investments of Gold and Bonds - ain’t no good any more, because people are now flogging this stuff - to cover their losses elsewhere in investment land…

The only thin going off the charts - the USD - is reaching the kind of levels not seen since Nixon took the greenback off the gold standard back in the 70’s…

Next?

Banks will start to fail like in 2008 - but this time - without a taxpayer bailout, bearing in mind that we’re already skint, and there are just too many people not paying taxes to make such a bailout work for a “once bitten, twice shy” time.

Who are the main groups of people set to lose out from all this?

(1) People who thought they never took any financial risks in their lives.
(a) Gold plated pensions - defaulted now.
(b) Safe investments and savings accounts - Defaulted, with the government unable to bail people out, except with printed money
(c) Plum well-paid jobs? - Who’s job is safe when demand has thus collapsed due to this “shutdown”?

(2) People who’s job is essentially a “Camp Follower”…
(a) Living off the custom of people considerabwy wicher than yeu - only to find those wealthy types, either now busted, or hiding their continued prosperity away, for fear of “resentment reprisal” attacks…
(b) The financially uneducated unable to make money in a recession.
(c) Producers of A non-essential good, and now obsolete “service”. Travel Agents, Tattoists, all other “Artists” and “Musicians”…

(3) People in the “Entertainments” sector.
(a) If you cannot go out - you don’t need pubs, clubs, and other social venues any longer.
(b) If you’ve got no money, you won’t want to commute to other towns paying through the nose for joke fuel prices
(c) If you’ve got no money, you won’t want to go out at all.
(d) Entertainers - who can entertain people “at home” - will continue to function. Netflix actors & Pornhub exhibitionists - are on the up, with Televized Sports - very much on the down.

Who prospers?

People who can still DO stuff rather than rely on others to do it for them.
Services such as Labouring, Driving, Building, Repairing.
“Make do and Mend” - is back in vogue - but do people actually KNOW how to do this?

Who’s left that had long lectures from grandparents “Wot I did in the war when I woz doing my bit”?

The Euro and USD are now so expensive - that only their own people will be well-provided for out of it.
That’s America able to weather this storm under Trump rule - but Euroland■■?

A well-fed discontent population who are now “long term unemployed” with an axe to grind…?
The ultimate “Devil making work for idle hands” there…

Mark my words - there will be trouble on the mainland that dwarfs anything the Nazis did in 1940…

Meanwhile, back in Blighty - We have Boris Johnson, who considers himself a Churchillian expert guided by Dominic ■■■■■■■■■ an unabashed Machiavellian - turning this country into the upstanding beacon in the world - just as Churchill himself did in 1940 when we were offered the chance of peace with Germany - only to reject it out-of-hand, to fight them to the last instead.

It isn’t “CoronaVirus” that’ll kill the masses - it will be people over-reacting in different ways to what I still believe is a massively over-stated threat.
People are being made to be scared of “Phantoms” just like in the 1980’s when “Maggies Millions” (Of which I was one…) were made to be scared of the “Bomb Dropping” and thus forget about that lack of job and prospects that we REALLY should be upset and rioting about all the time…

Comparisons to the 1930’s?

If the country gets given free printed money - then it won’t be as bad as the 1930’s.

If the world tries the same old solutions that don’t work against the same old problems - it’ll be a whole lot WORSE than the 1930’s

WWII - brought the 30’s slump to an end.
I don’t believe an “Apocalypse” would be something to look forward to THIS time around - to end our current predicament. :frowning:

If I’m WRONG about all this of course, and Coronavirus is all too real and as big a threat as we’re being told…

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Then better get on your collective knees - whilst you still can!
It is arguable if it is better to be “one of the 25%” or “one of the survivors envying them”. :frowning:

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Schools closing Friday. Luckily, my only school attending child is 16 so she can stay home alone. I feel for you guys with youngsters that can’t. Work wise, we deliver to building sites and they don’t seem to be giving a ■■■■ so far, business as usual…well…apart from one telehandler driver I saw last week wearing what looked like a full face paint sprayers filtered mask [emoji23]
I went through wilfreda beehives (local coach company) wash today. The guy there says it looks like they are going to be shutting down, that was before the announced school closures. They do school runs as well as euro tour stuff so I guess they will definitely be screwed now [emoji22]

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Bigtruck3:
It’s just the beginning, before long there won’t be anywhere open for delivery or Collection, everything is slowly coming to a halt, jobs will be lost permanently and people with be in struggling to survive with little money
The cogs will stop turning and there is a recession on it’s way, it’s not going to be a good year 2020, I suppose it all hinges on how long it will go on for
If you’re working for supermarkets you might be the last to drop

You talk as much Carp, as peirs f++kkin Morgan.

Is your school closed now.

You will be glad earning your 9 quid a hour when it all comes crashing down

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Warehouses are full… Supermarket shelves are emptying faster than workers can fill them again.
Shops are closing now at night - to allow time for workers to re-stock the shelves…

Meanwhile, whilst visiting various supermarkets only to find empty shelves…
Where are the arriving delivery wagons? FFS you’d expect them to be queueing up with fresh supplies…

There’s plenty of stock at the warehouse… Plenty of wagons parked up at the yard…

SOO…

I conclude that the REAL driver shortage - has finally come home to roost.
The tide has gone out on supply drivers - and suddenly the lowest-paying supermarkets - are the first to find that they cannot get drivers in for love nor money…

Has anyone got a definitive list of what the pay rates for full timer and agency are for all the major supermarkets■■?

I reckon you’ll see a correlation between “lowest payers” and “Emptiest shelves” somehow… :bulb:

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Bigtruck3:

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Bigtruck3:
It’s just the beginning, before long there won’t be anywhere open for delivery or Collection, everything is slowly coming to a halt, jobs will be lost permanently and people with be in struggling to survive with little money
The cogs will stop turning and there is a recession on it’s way, it’s not going to be a good year 2020, I suppose it all hinges on how long it will go on for
If you’re working for supermarkets you might be the last to drop

You talk as much Carp, as peirs f++kkin Morgan.

Is your school closed now.

You will be glad earning your 9 quid a hour when it all comes crashing down

Just be thinking, when your mumsy goes to the food bank, and there’s nothing for your tea, that you wished it to happen, but don’t cry, because there’s no tissue to dry your eyes.

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peirre:
The tree huggers won’t be happy as they’ve just cancelled Glastonbury

Taylor Swift was supposed to be one of the headline acts this year but when she was asked if she was worried about coronavirus she said she wasn’t because if she caught it she could just shake it off.

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Bigtruck3:

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Bigtruck3:
It’s just the beginning, before long there won’t be anywhere open for delivery or Collection, everything is slowly coming to a halt, jobs will be lost permanently and people with be in struggling to survive with little money
The cogs will stop turning and there is a recession on it’s way, it’s not going to be a good year 2020, I suppose it all hinges on how long it will go on for
If you’re working for supermarkets you might be the last to drop

You talk as much Carp, as peirs f++kkin Morgan.

Is your school closed now.

You will be glad earning your 9 quid a hour when it all comes crashing down

Just be thinking, when your mumsy goes to the food bank, and there’s nothing for your tea, that you wished it to happen, but don’t cry, because there’s no tissue to dry your eyes.

As I said let’s wait and see, everyone is entitled to a opinion, it won’t be long before you are eating your words and wishing for that 9 quid a hour, not long now very soon

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Their were only 8 people in the pub tonight, that is 1 less than yesterday. she isn’t dead, it was her day off!

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peirre:
The tree huggers won’t be happy as they’ve just cancelled Glastonbury

I’d say quite the opposite really. I imagine all the tree huggers and Greta what’s her face are over the moon about all this. No more nasty planes in the sky, no one able to make unnecessary trips abroad to have a sunshine holiday etc etc etc. Climate change stopped overnight!
No doubt they will still find something else to moan about!

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Beef:

peirre:
The tree huggers won’t be happy as they’ve just cancelled Glastonbury

I’d say quite the opposite really. I imagine all the tree huggers and Greta what’s her face are over the moon about all this. No more nasty planes in the sky, no one able to make unnecessary trips abroad to have a sunshine holiday etc etc etc. Climate change stopped overnight!
No doubt they will still find something else to moan about!

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And the next thing is the world stops turning

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How one dresses up what starts as “Real” data - is the art of Fake News.

For instance, if you go out of your way to make sure as many people that die of a remotely respiratory ailment - get counted as “Dying from Coronavirus”…

…and then couple that by UNDER reporting the number of people that “got better”… (If you “get better” - then suddenly, you didn’t have coronavirus - you just had a cold, flu, bronchitus, etc)
That way you maximise the “deaths” number and minimize the “got better” number.
This makes the percentage of deaths to recovered look like nearly 10% in the example figures given on the linked website.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Now a 10% attrition rate for a pathogen is HUGE but only if it were true, rather than massaged about by using the figures in ways that one really shouldn’t.

That we’re given any of these calculations at all - shows that there are going to be people out there that would benefit/profit from those figures not quite telling the full story.

The HONEST way to deal with all this - would be to NAME people that have been diagnosed - the moment that diagnosis is made.
This would permit others to avoid that person, whereas we are being told to “avoid everyone” now as a routine, - very damaging to our economy, and millions will eventually die from the collapse in the economy, nothing to do with any “disease” being caught or not.

But alas no.

We don’t get told ANYTHING about “living” people diagnosed, so we in truth - don’t know how many of them there really are.
If it became known that it is far more widespread and common than we’ve been led to believe - then suddenly the numbers who HAVE known to have died from it - pale into insignificance, and indeed might be lost among the sea of other figures, such as “deaths from Pneumonia” or even"Deaths from Rheumatic Fever" - which is on the rise over the last few years, thanks to the warm, damp winters we’ve been having.

I believe at this time that this is the World’s Lefties last ditch attempt to try and upset the current world trend of electing majority governments of the Right around the world.

They want rid of JinPing, Putin, Trump, Orban, and of course Boris Johnson, and have already got rid of Italy’s Salvini, much to the consternation of the Italian people who are now wide open to the “do nothing against Immigration” approach of the new coaltion government, where Salvini’s former coalition partners ditched His coalition in favour of one with the Left party instead. Now look at Italy: Spread of Coronavirus actually at REAL epidemic levels already. China meanwhile - it is petering out. Russia? Closed it’s border straight away, and the number of deaths is minimal.

Then there’s the motivation for the EU to try and delay, block, and prevent Brexit - even at this late stage. The EU have already demanded that we “extend”. Boris - if he complies - is TOAST because all it would take to remove him - and the Tories from power - is a single vote of no confidence, that could come as early as Keir Starmer taking over the Labour Party.

Meanwhile, on the financial markets - the Euro is climbing despite the current state of the EU and Europe. Go figure! Everything else - including GOLD are now in freefall.

The Pro-EU speculators - are clearly trying to tell us something: “Re-join us - or perish under our subtle attacks”.

No thanks. Let’s get that drawbridge up - and fast!

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This makes me…

Realize that if we were attacked by aliens, our first response would be to lower interest rates.

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yourhavingalarf:
This makes me…

Realize that if we were attacked by aliens, our first response would be to lower interest rates.

shamelessly stolen from the net

Or create money and buy their debt?

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It’s hard for me now schools have shut, and much depends on what comes out in the wash with everything.

On one hand my wife works in a (large chain) of nurseries, which have to close so in theory she will be off and childcare is sorted, on the other hand theres no word on if she’ll be paid during this time off.

I guess that makes me lucky as there’ll be loads who have to continue to work but without any childcare forcing them out of work. What about them?

Then theres another point, am I (or are we) “key workers” allowing my lad to still go to school? I dont deal in food, I cant see any of the stuff I deliver as being particularly key, but as an industry are we all classed as key workers? Who knows.

Even if we are key workers, what about those absent because of childcare/virus/isolating? Theres a whole chain of people needed to get stuff out of warehouses and if they’re in a reduced number then it will obviously knock on.

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My youngest daughter who is at home all day with a new baby, has been sat watching the blanket continuous coverage of this stuff on tv.
It has got to her, she rang me last night like the ■■■■ world was going to end, and I had to try and put her mind at ease.
It doesn’t help that her sister’s family have been told to self isolate for 2 weeks over basically ■■■■ all.
All this over the top reaction to all this is affecting people’s mental well being, it resembles state brainwashing in a way, you keep constantly feeding people what is loosely speaking a form of propaganda if you like, and they eventually believe it all.

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Let’s all ignore all the advice and kill thousands more old people or ones with underlying conditions. This is a very serious issue in more ways than one and it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
Some take it seriously while others don’t. It’s the ones that don’t that are more likely to spread it but they probably don’t care because they are not in a vulnerable group. (selfish)
In an ideal world if someone showed symptoms they would be tested straight away and would not have to self isolate along with their family but there are not enough testing kits to do that.
They are required for frontline medical staff etc.
It’s going to be a hardship especially over the coming months with a lot of life changing habits eradicated but if we all stick together it will make a big difference whether more die or not.

Follow a few simple rules. Fat chance. :unamused:

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robroy:
My youngest daughter who is at home all day with a new baby, has been sat watching the blanket continuous coverage of this stuff on tv.
It has got to her, she rang me last night like the [zb] world was going to end, and I had to try and put her mind at ease.
It doesn’t help that her sister’s family have been told to self isolate for 2 weeks over basically [zb] all.
All this over the top reaction to all this is affecting people’s mental well being, it resembles state brainwashing in a way, you keep constantly feeding people what is loosely speaking a form of propaganda if you like, and they eventually believe it all.

Exactly just this.
The world was turning to shi’ te before the common cold came along and wrecked what little faith we all placed in the system.
It’s a hyper reaction to cover up a greater fraudulent maneuver that has already stolen your wealth.

Anyone else checked how your pension fund is doing recently?

We have all been robbed under one of the flimsiest of excuses of all time.

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Morning Calum…

Hope you’re feeling better.

We can all see your logged on via remote access and thanks for working from home.

Your screen here is visible and we can all see your watching ■■■■ between enquiries. If you go to the top of the screen there is a menu bar, one of the icons will have a ‘black screen’ option, if you click on this it will blank out your office machine so you can carry on in private.

Many thanks.

The team.

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It seems some childish ones only care about themselves and their money. Typical. Definitely a panic buyer type. :wink:

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If you so much as get a common cold now - the head of the family who might well still be out and earning - now gets quarentined with the rest of the household…
NO money if they don’t get sick pay for whatever reason, such as ZHC or Self-Employed…
What’s the Chancellor’s 300billion going to be spent on?

Giving it to banks to buy up our own bonds with eh? QE IV? How about just dishing it out to anyone who was paying National Insurance - but now has ceased, because their earnings have collapsed…
Easy to work out who should get paid eh?

But no. “Can’t have benefit scroungers left behind can we?” Can’t have Renters booted out because they lost that lucrative Yuman Rights advisor job - can we? Can’t have Landlords lose the property because of defaulting tenents - can we?

NOT good.

The latest drive for “Divisions where there were not any beforehand”■■?
… Cabin Fever, a spike in the divorce rate, no opportunities for entire families to let off steam any longer…