waddy640:
The bus may have been changed but it’s no different to tugging a double deck trailer instead of a single in the surely to god the driver should be aware if the size of the vehicle?
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That is precisely the reason that all vehicles over 3 metres in height are required to have the height shown in the cab. This came in to force in 1997.
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Exactly. Hence my dud they remove eyeballs comment.
Also not forgetting there’s some noticeable difference between a single deck bus and a double deck bus.
toonsy:
Still… do they remove his eyeballs?
I used to allocate local buses. You know local bridges, you also know what a bus does through the day and all of the larger companies use broadly the same software which produces broadly the same kind of lay out.
The bus may have been changed but it’s no different to tugging a double deck trailer instead of a single in the surely to god the driver should be aware if the size of the vehicle?
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
Wiretwister:
toonsy:
Still… do they remove his eyeballs?
I used to allocate local buses. You know local bridges, you also know what a bus does through the day and all of the larger companies use broadly the same software which produces broadly the same kind of lay out.
The bus may have been changed but it’s no different to tugging a double deck trailer instead of a single in the surely to god the driver should be aware if the size of the vehicle?
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
Well the last time I looked at a double deck bus there were some stairs and they led to some more seats, so yes there is a great deal of difference between the two. In addition, as I’ve already mentioned, the height of the vehicle has to be clearly visible to the driver.
Wiretwister:
toonsy:
Still… do they remove his eyeballs?
I used to allocate local buses. You know local bridges, you also know what a bus does through the day and all of the larger companies use broadly the same software which produces broadly the same kind of lay out.
The bus may have been changed but it’s no different to tugging a double deck trailer instead of a single in the surely to god the driver should be aware if the size of the vehicle?
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
It’s different software. Think it’s called trapeze. It pulls off all the reports about what needs to be where at what time etc. It’s far more accurate than stuff in haulage because the government targets for bus punctuality and service requirements.
Anyway I still fail to see how anyone hitting a bridge can blame anyone other than themselves. All the info is there such as signs, can markers, probably a bit of local knowledge, route training and so on. The big companies in the bus world have most things covered to the nth degree purely so they can say “the driver has been trained” etc
May be the bus in the picture was sent to pick up the passengers from the damaged bus that we cant see as it, may be still stuck under the bridge out of sight, does that make sense??..
waddy640:
Wiretwister:
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
Well the last time I looked at a double deck bus there were some stairs and they led to some more seats, so yes there is a great deal of difference between the two. In addition, as I’ve already mentioned, the height of the vehicle has to be clearly visible to the driver.
Let me try and add some clarity to my question. Once the driver is seated in the drivers seat is his “pod” layout very different if the vehicle is single deck, our local service buses have 2 levels ( up 2 steps rising about 18" at the rear section) on one deck, or a double decker. Those that I have seen as a passenger have a window to the drivers right side , the windscreen in front, a solid panel (no glass/perspex) behind him and a half hieght door that he uses to access his pod. In the past there has been a perspex panel enclosing the driver above the half door further as a security measure though, of late CCTV, has replaced those panels. There is no discernable difference that I can see beteen the drivers “pods”.
toonsy:
Wiretwister:
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
It’s different software. Think it’s called trapeze. It pulls off all the reports about what needs to be where at what time etc. It’s far more accurate than stuff in haulage because the government targets for bus punctuality and service requirements.
Anyway I still fail to see how anyone hitting a bridge can blame anyone other than themselves. All the info is there such as signs, can markers, probably a bit of local knowledge, route training and so on. The big companies in the bus world have most things covered to the nth degree purely so they can say “the driver has been trained” etc
Yes I get the logic in that but, as witnessed in the testimony of the leading firefighter at the Grenfell enquiry this week some training is inadequate or non existing. The firefighter was talking about his training about evaquation of high rise buildings when the generic advice is to remain in the home.
Wiretwister:
waddy640:
Wiretwister:
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
Well the last time I looked at a double deck bus there were some stairs and they led to some more seats, so yes there is a great deal of difference between the two. In addition, as I’ve already mentioned, the height of the vehicle has to be clearly visible to the driver.
Let me try and add some clarity to my question. Once the driver is seated in the drivers seat is his “pod” layout very different if the vehicle is single deck, our local service buses have 2 levels ( up 2 steps rising about 18" at the rear section) on one deck, or a double decker. Those that I have seen as a passenger have a window to the drivers right side , the windscreen in front, a solid panel (no glass/perspex) behind him and a half hieght door that he uses to access his pod. In the past there has been a perspex panel enclosing the driver above the half door further as a security measure though, of late CCTV, has replaced those panels. There is no discernable difference that I can see beteen the drivers “pods”.
But there’s no difference whatsoever in my cab layout when I pull a 13ft 11in or a 16ft double deck. The only discernable difference is what I see in the mirrors, the height marker and the fact that I know I’ve got a tall trailer on.
Now if I smashed that DD trailer into a bridge what would the reaction be? Certainly by past threads on here the excuse of “I normally drive a smaller trailer” wouldn’t cut it because I’m a vocational driver, it’s what I do, that’s why we hold extra licenses and have a CPC (for what it’s worth) and so on. It’s our job to know the dimensions of the vehicle.
Wiretwister:
waddy640:
Wiretwister:
No the driver will still have his eyes available. He may also rarely drive double deckers and once he is inside the bus cab is there that big a difference between single and DD layout? I don’t know but the very limited number of times I’ve travelled as a passenger the difference isn’t that big. The injured girl was 11 years of age, was it a school run? Kids can be little terrors at times, I do know as I was one many MANY years ago & remember more than 1 boistous ride to/from school.
As for computor route planners this week I’ve had a run with a 16:00 delivery at Watford - 23/4 pallets on a decker running at 16’ 2" then a 18:00 delivery at Belvedere, like that was ever going to happen. As Mr Walliams might say " computor says - yes" doesn’t mean the 1st drop and M25 will play nicely during the evening commute to allow it to happen does it.
Well the last time I looked at a double deck bus there were some stairs and they led to some more seats, so yes there is a great deal of difference between the two. In addition, as I’ve already mentioned, the height of the vehicle has to be clearly visible to the driver.
Let me try and add some clarity to my question. Once the driver is seated in the drivers seat is his “pod” layout very different if the vehicle is single deck, our local service buses have 2 levels ( up 2 steps rising about 18" at the rear section) on one deck, or a double decker. Those that I have seen as a passenger have a window to the drivers right side , the windscreen in front, a solid panel (no glass/perspex) behind him and a half hieght door that he uses to access his pod. In the past there has been a perspex panel enclosing the driver above the half door further as a security measure though, of late CCTV, has replaced those panels. There is no discernable difference that I can see beteen the drivers “pods”.
We are not talking about the interior of the vehicle, it is the overall height that is the relevant factor here, is it 10 feet high or 15 feet high? it makes a hell of a difference if you take the latter one under a 12 foot bridge.
Wiretwister:
In the past there has been a perspex panel enclosing the driver above the half door further as a security measure though, of late CCTV, has replaced those panels. There is no discernable difference that I can see beteen the drivers “pods”.
There’s a lot more headroom in the cab of a single decker than double decker, but that’s about it
Still, muppet
