I can just see that loathsome Mrs Jelly and her advisors rubbing their hands with glee at the news of another terrorist attack, how they must be celebrating at an allah given opportunity to change the subject.
cav551:
I can just see that loathsome Mrs Jelly and her advisors rubbing their hands with glee at the news of another terrorist attack, how they must be celebrating at an allah given opportunity to change the subject.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/06/04/fresh-raids-east-ham-12-arrested-londons-night-terror/ Looks like its rinse and repeat, raid arrest detain, release without charges
whilst this continues http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/31/islamists-move-uk-freedom-radical-islam/
Now, who still thinks we are not at war?
halewood:
Janos:
No Islam…Know Peace. Simple.If only it was that simple.Bit like yourself
Very brave statement on a forum. For your information, Islam means to submit. There is no such thing as peaceful Islam. So as long as we allow a totally alien religion and culture to exist in our country, these attacks will keep on happening. Perhaps for people like you submission is okay, but there are a lot of people who would rather not. Our national anthem says Britons never ever shall be slaves. That does not apply to mindless morons like you of course.
There is only one real solution, and that is to either ban Islam or to curb its influence. Many other countries around the world are aware of the threat, and are trying to do just that. If something is not done, then once the Muslim population is strong enough, they will be running this country.
Wheel Nut:
I cant see how this can be blamed on a lack of police numbers, it was all done and dusted within 10 minutes, the police deserve thanks with a well done slap on the back.
But that would almost certainly not been the case if it had happened in a town or even a city other than londonistahn, they had the troops on the streets last week, and had armed police from the CNC (Civil Nuclear Constabulary) on loan patrolling many of our cities and towns across the UK May cut their numbers drastically, as well as cutting the border force and prison staff too
Winseer:
The burning question of the past few days though is “Why did we downgrade the attack status from Critical (another attack imminent, which has now transpired…) to Severe (we’re alright now)”?
Probably because there was no Intel that an attack was imminent. This is the sort of action that can be planned over the kitchen table. All the equipment could be acquired without raising suspicion.
The only way something like this could be foreseen is by monitoring their behaviour. The security forces don’t have the resources to monitor everyone (that’s assuming these three have done nothing to raise suspicion like travel to syria), they can only be flagged if members of their own community do it.
And there is the problem, for whatever reason, from mistrusting the security services to agreeing with the fanatics, the silence from the Muslim community is deafening.
ALL TERRORISTS AREN’T MUSLIMS/MOSLEMS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS/MOSLEMS period ! Bewick.
Captain Caveman 76:
Winseer:
The burning question of the past few days though is “Why did we downgrade the attack status from Critical (another attack imminent, which has now transpired…) to Severe (we’re alright now)”?Probably because there was no Intel that an attack was imminent. This is the sort of action that can be planned over the kitchen table. All the equipment could be acquired without raising suspicion.
The only way something like this could be foreseen is by monitoring their behaviour. The security forces don’t have the resources to monitor everyone (that’s assuming these three have done nothing to raise suspicion like travel to syria), they can only be flagged if members of their own community do it.
And there is the problem, for whatever reason, from mistrusting the security services to agreeing with the fanatics, the silence from the Muslim community is deafening.
Well that could be used to our advantage, the so-called moderate muslime’s either start condemning these attacks and start shopping the radical scum, or they ship out with the rest, it really is their choice
robroy:
Yeh…because that’s just what we need aint it, a civil war between Muslims living here, and White Brits.I’m the first to say sort out these traitorous pieces of [zb] that are both born in Britain and those who have Brit citizenship, I hate the [zb] lot of them (and especially I hate these white indigenous Brits who are converts that stir the [zb] up, they are much worse imo)
However, guys like him tend to have their own far right wing agenda, so they tar all Asians and/or Muslims, as militant terrorists…they are not, …but unfortunately all terrorists tend to be Muslim, so it just escalates.
There should be a hard line taken with all these suspects who can not behave themselves in our country, what we do not need is neo ■■■■ groups taking the law into their own hands and making things even worse than hat they already are.
Firstly if you read your history you’d know that the nazis were actually allied with Jihad not against it.So we can forget that bs connection. 
On that note yes the BNP might be a bunch of misled zealots who can’t understand that Nationalist means the recognition of the right to self determination of others IE a Confederal UK giving Scotland its sovereignty back etc at least.But that doesn’t make them nazis just as Conservative Unionism doesn’t mean the Cons are nazis. While I don’t think that anyone is calling for vigilante action in that regard even the BNP.Although who could really blame anyone who’s tipped over the edge in the case of personal involvement regarding a family member/s for example.
In which case make your mind up.If they are supposedly mostly good Muslims on our side why would/should there be any problem of any large scale opposition from the supposedly ‘British’ Muslim population that supposedly identifies itself on that basis.So the SAS knock on the doors of those on the watch list at least and they get a clandestine summary offer they can’t refuse.Remind us why that should be expected to cause any ‘issues’ among the ‘good’ Muslim community here.Just like we have the right to expect no sympathy with the Jihadist cause because of the ‘justified’,although completely zb’d up,actions in the Middle East,against Iraq and Afghan,when it should have been Saudi’s savage Wahabbist regime and society that should have been on the receiving end first if anyone.So we bomb and take out Saudi and the ‘good’ Brit Muslims are all going to say fine no problem we understand that ‘our’ country needs to do what it needs to do.Yeah right.On that note I’d suggest that ‘he’ is just taking into account the idea of Taqiyya within Islam and thereby just pointing out the probable true level of the problem we have in Europe unlike its apologists among the establishment.
Janos:
If something is not done, then once the Muslim population is strong enough, they will be running this country.
Very true. I expect within the next 30 years that the Muslim population will “outbreed” us for want of a better word. Given higher birth rates and death of the baby boomers I fully expect we will be a Muslim country with sharia law by 2040 unless something changes.
I hope that I am wrong
Bewick:
ALL TERRORISTS AREN’T MUSLIMS/MOSLEMS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS/MOSLEMS period ! Bewick.
ETA
AUC
The IRA
to name but three
Putting “period” at the end doesnt make it instantly true
kcrussell25:
Janos:
If something is not done, then once the Muslim population is strong enough, they will be running this country.Very true. I expect within the next 30 years that the Muslim population will “outbreed” us for want of a better word. Given higher birth rates and death of the baby boomers I fully expect we will be a Muslim country with sharia law by 2040 unless something changes.
I hope that I am wrong
+1
the sad fact of the matter is that your absolutely correct.white genocide. if it wasnt happening to white europeans there would be an outcry of the most racially victimised societies today…but when white european are the victims,then nothings said.
Won’t that be a fun time for the snowflakes in their middle age and dotage, wonder if they’ll think back to their parent’s and grandparent’s warnings (no, they won’t), which they ignored with indignant despise and scorn because they already knew everything thanks to their common purpose 15 years of pc education and bbc propaganda…be no safe zones then, best of luck with tolerance and diversity when the sandal is on the other foot.
Juddian:
Won’t that be a fun time for the snowflakes in their middle age and dotage, wonder if they’ll think back to their parent’s and grandparent’s warnings (no, they won’t), which they ignored with indignant despise and scorn because they already knew everything thanks to their common purpose 15 years of pc education and bbc propaganda…be no safe zones then, best of luck with tolerance and diversity when the sandal is on the other foot.
+1
thats 1 of the reasons im living in northern ireland as by the time todays uk civilisation catches up with it over here,il be long dead and gone…the land that time forgot has its plus points…
The-Snowman:
Bewick:
ALL TERRORISTS AREN’T MUSLIMS/MOSLEMS BUT ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS/MOSLEMS period ! Bewick.ETA
AUC
The IRA
to name but three
Putting “period” at the end doesnt make it instantly true
Comparing the issues of Irish and Basque Nationalism with Islamic Jihad is comparing apples with oranges.Although only the Irish could firstly end up in a civil war among themselves because the continuity IRA couldn’t get its head around the idea of Nationalist also means the respect of the right to self determination of others.With Collins finally being vindicated as one of the best examples of Nationalist leaders in history in that the argument between Loyalist v Nationalist was never going to be settled by armed struggle.Then throw away that hard won sovereignty by handing it over to the EU. 
The fact remains that unlike Jihad there is a possible peaceful solution to those conflicts based on that realisation on all sides.Nor were those conflicts ever going to de generate to the historic depraved levels employed the Jihadists.Let alone the motivation for it.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
robroy:
Did anybody see the ex.SAS guy on Sky News this morning, he was saying what everybody else thinks.
Basically stop ■■■■■■■ about and sort out these [zb] s who are suspects on ‘‘The Watch list’’ before they get a chance to commit another atrocity.
If he was an MP, I would certainly vote for him.Yes, about “let’s bust the 3000” if I recall.
The burning question of the past few days though is “Why did we downgrade the attack status from Critical (another attack imminent, which has now transpired…) to Severe (we’re alright now)”?
No the ‘burning question’ now is about why not give the Socialists the choice of put up or shut up regarding which side they are actually on and then firstly change the definition of nationality to Jus Sanguinis where it’s in the interests of National security and set the SAS loose to get on with the job of Black and Tan type tactics.Which means carte blanche of immunity and deniability with the win win that it might set the tone in sending the message that it would be in everyone’s interests if they go home where they belong,to the type of society more suited to them,voluntarily.On that note I for one have no problem with applying double standards that we’re in a much dirtier war with these Jihadist scum than we ever were in the case of the Irish problem.In that there is no option of any so called ‘peace process’ nor the luxury of resort to normal judicial processes or application of ‘human rights’ either,in the case of Jihad.In addition to telling the US that it’s got it wrong and then doing whatever it takes regarding the destruction of Wahabbist Islam,in Saudi Arabia.
The problem with this notion is that if you’re correct - then Corbyn is PM and Abbot Home Secretary by next weekend - and we’re all doomed. The Left have only hated the Right more and above everyone else for some time now. If these terror attacks can somehow be deflected by the Left as being The “Right’s Fault” - then God help us all. Soon it won’t be considered a hate crime to be murdered on our streets. It’s bad enough that it’s happening. But what happens when the police shooting stops?
There are only two ways of taking out Wahabbist Islam:
Get Mainstream Islam to do it
or
We do it to ALL Islam instead.
No doubt the latter option is considered to be “Right Wing” - but the third alternative is, of couse - "We all lay down and die on command, because the Left demand no less than the destruction of the entire Western World that spawned them. (That’s what happens when “losing the moral imperative” becomes fashionable!)
tommy t:
Captain Caveman 76:
Winseer:
The burning question of the past few days though is “Why did we downgrade the attack status from Critical (another attack imminent, which has now transpired…) to Severe (we’re alright now)”?Probably because there was no Intel that an attack was imminent. This is the sort of action that can be planned over the kitchen table. All the equipment could be acquired without raising suspicion.
The only way something like this could be foreseen is by monitoring their behaviour. The security forces don’t have the resources to monitor everyone (that’s assuming these three have done nothing to raise suspicion like travel to syria), they can only be flagged if members of their own community do it.
And there is the problem, for whatever reason, from mistrusting the security services to agreeing with the fanatics, the silence from the Muslim community is deafening.
Well that could be used to our advantage, the so-called moderate muslime’s either start condemning these attacks and start shopping the radical scum, or they ship out with the rest, it really is their choice
Yup. 100% agree with you there.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
People think she’s a safe pair of hands to handle Brexit for one thing (utter ■■■■■■■■, she and the majority of the tories are remainers) and someone to trust the nation’s security with, well best of luck with what’s coming people, thought with Farage having done a will o the wisp i fail to see any alternative worth bothering with.We’ll be here again in the short and the long term discussing yet more tragedies, the ideology of the enemy is not compatible with British values or way of life, it cannot be assimilated, it cannot be persuaded, and frankly we have no budding Churchills waiting in the wings prepared to do what will have to be done, dark days lie ahead.
Firstly notwithstanding what’s going on with Farage’s thinking surely in view of all that UKIP getting as many votes/seats as possible creating a Con minority with UKIP holding the balance over it,has to be better than a Con majority let alone a hung parliament or a Lab/SNP alliance or even Labour majority.
It’s not the sheer number of seats that makes up a coalition partner - it’s “Finishing Third”. RIght now, the SNP look unassailable as prospective coalition partners, and Sturgeon is already on record for “about to do a deal with Labour”. That means indeed that if Theresa May falls just six seats short as she fears - she’ll lose power to a coalition with the SNP in it. IF…IF The SNP hold onto enough of their seats to finish THIRD.
UKIP can only become coalition partners if they have SOME seats, and - more importantly - the SNP number of seats collapses come the early hours of friday morning.
Thinking people up and down the country already realize that it’s highly unlikely even after the recent “Surge of the Left” that Corbyn will be able to win a majority Labour government.
Getting rid of the SNP then - is key.
There are over a million Scots who didn’t vote for them. Scots who voted for “Better Together” or “Leave” or, indeed BOTH. So far, they have had no representation at all. The “Winning” SNP MPs have achieved so little in the past two years, that they even make “One Policy” UKIP look good!
No one has yet priced in the possibility that Theresa May could lose seats to Labour in England, but win enough back - and more - from the SNP in Scotland.
Thus, the Scots hold the balance of power here. The SILENT Scots. It’s time to realize that Scotland’s future lies with Britain as a whole, the Sassenachs as their natural allies, and their National Identity preserved in the ongoing United Kingdom. NOT some unholy alliance with terrorist-supporting Lefties at Westminster! 
Throw the SNP under the bus. Do it now. As soon as they are gone, the loony Left become unelectable again. 
Carryfast:
Dolph:
RIP to all fallen innocent people.
Fvcking coward, attacking and killing girls and civilians.
I wish UK and Europe in general acts strongly and swiftly, stop with the liberal BS regarding terrorism.
Im listening BBC - police and MI5 investigate 500 plots for attacks, how to fight it journalist asked, the answer- more community work, more tolerance, more police work, FU, deport the mothef***ers back to Lybia, Syria etc. if they are British citizens, strip them from citizenship and deport them to parent home country.
Its 717-718AD all over again with different means.Great idea but then in the next breath you’re saying that Farage is the problem and the EU’s Federal dictatorship,run by people like Merkel and Juncker and Tusk etc and by implication its PC open door immigration policy,is the solution.Just because Farage doesn’t fit your own self interest agenda when it suits you.
Then why 90% of the terrorist acts in Europe are committed from home grown terrorist citizens of UK, France, Belgium etc. If you were correct we would have every day terror attack by newcomers.
I didn’t said what you wrote.
I don’t care about Farage, he is a lying and deceiving politician who likes to play with people fears.
Follow the money always follow the money.
As a result, by the end of the 20th century, according to Saudi figures, they had built 1500 Wahhabi mosques, 210 Islamic centers, 202 Islamic colleges and 2000 schools in non-Muslim countries alone. As of that time, there was not a single sizable Western city that did not have a Wahhabi mosque and/or other propaganda outlet. The gist of Wahhabi teachings boils down to the following: Christians and Jews are infidels that must be fought, democracy and Western culture are totally incompatible with Islam and must be rejected, peaceful coexistence between Islam and non-Islam is impossible in the long-term, one or the other must disappear, Muslims in the West must not integrate, but form parallel societies governed by shariah. In principle, the values propagated by Wahhabism are identical to those advocated currently by ISIS with the sole exception of slavery, which was outlawed in Saudi Arabia in 1962.
bulgariaanalytica.org/en/2016/07 … %BE%D1%82/
P.S. It makes me sick every time I see Western leader having a meeting/visit with saudis. Does May or Merkel realize that if they are saudi national they will not be able to drive car of leave home without male companion.
Winseer:
Carryfast:
Firstly notwithstanding what’s going on with Farage’s thinking surely in view of all that UKIP getting as many votes/seats as possible creating a Con minority with UKIP holding the balance over it,has to be better than a Con majority let alone a hung parliament or a Lab/SNP alliance or even Labour majority.It’s not the sheer number of seats that makes up a coalition partner - it’s “Finishing Third”. RIght now, the SNP look unassailable as prospective coalition partners, and Sturgeon is already on record for “about to do a deal with Labour”. That means indeed that if Theresa May falls just six seats short as she fears - she’ll lose power to a coalition with the SNP in it. IF…IF The SNP hold onto enough of their seats to finish THIRD.
UKIP can only become coalition partners if they have SOME seats, and - more importantly - the SNP number of seats collapses come the early hours of friday morning.
Thinking people up and down the country already realize that it’s highly unlikely even after the recent “Surge of the Left” that Corbyn will be able to win a majority Labour government.
Getting rid of the SNP then - is key.There are over a million Scots who didn’t vote for them. Scots who voted for “Better Together” or “Leave” or, indeed BOTH. So far, they have had no representation at all. The “Winning” SNP MPs have achieved so little in the past two years, that they even make “One Policy” UKIP look good!
No one has yet priced in the possibility that Theresa May could lose seats to Labour in England, but win enough back - and more - from the SNP in Scotland.
Thus, the Scots hold the balance of power here. The SILENT Scots. It’s time to realize that Scotland’s future lies with Britain as a whole, the Sassenachs as their natural allies, and their National Identity preserved in the ongoing United Kingdom. NOT some unholy alliance with terrorist-supporting Lefties at Westminster!
Throw the SNP under the bus. Do it now. As soon as they are gone, the loony Left become unelectable again.
Firstly the SNP’s result at the last election was about as good as it gets for them and no reason to think that it will be massively different this time.With a swing from the SNP to either Lab or Con not making much difference as to whether the country sinks or swims against a belligerent EU and the Jihadist invasion.
Which just leaves the question of May’s vote either increasing or decreasing her majority.In which case this election,like Brexit,is all about how many Con voters will vote LibDem and how many Labour voters go for UKIP v the Labour vote either going for May or Farron.Bearing in mind that the only possible reason as to why she stalled Brexit and then called a needless election was to hand back the Brexit agenda and initiative to her remain so called ‘opposition’ with a Lab/LibDem/SNP co alition obviously being a best case ( from her point of view ) potential factor in that.Make no mistake unless we get the only possible saving possibility here of a massive swing from Labour to UKIP,maybe helped by a some alienated Conservative voters,the country is doomed.
IE this election is realistically all about whether UKIP can end up holding the balance over a Conservative minority government.
Or whether we end up with a similar Con majority as we’ve got now in which case it’s business as usual.With May’s agenda of handing the country over to the immigrant demographic and back to the EU being a given as Terry t rightly says.
Or whether we end up with a Con minority government with Lab/LibDem/SNP alliance holding the balance not UKIP.Which I’d guess is May’s real preferable intention and hope and is why she called an election.
Or the outside even more nightmare possibility that Corbyn gets a majority.
As I said the choice here between voting for May v UKIP is a no brainer.With the only best case scenario being one in which the UKIP vote takes out a Corbyn and/or May majority and which outweighs the LibDem vote with the SNP vote being a given in either case.While unfortunately those with Juddian’s and Bewick’s view will probably unfortunately be what puts UKIP out of the frame and creates the end of the country which they say they want to stop.
Thereby leaving the most likely result of a Con minority government if not wafer thin majority v a Lab/LibDem/SNP alliance.Which will obviously be the end of Brexit and any chance whatsoever of us getting a grip on our immigration and foreign policy problems and with it the Jihadist threat.