Coffeeholic:
Wheel Nut:
Im not sure about this extra driving. I reckon that for many years we have been very lucky and uneconomical with the truth.
That’s about the size of it Malc. A lot this extra driving time is simply just driving time being properly calculated. There are issues when it will charge you a couple of minutes for a short move, while picking up a trailer or moving in a queue while waiting to tip or load - and it is very easy to keep that to a minimum with a bit of thought - but no time is added while actually driving the thing, whether in traffic or not. In fact although it won’t add time in that situation it can and will remove some driving time from the total.
I’m still not sure 
I had sort come to the same conclusion. I’d sort of decided that rather than being wholly inaccurate, they were in fact “too accurate” I’d sort of accepted that half a minute here, two minutes there, wouldn’t make a massive difference even on a ten hour drive day. Ten minutes over my time on a 15 hour day with 9 hours 50 of that being driving ? I’d usually dismiss those types if infringement letters as over zealous jobsworth bigotry.
But . . . . .
The other week (and thinking about it - it could have been a Scania) I was so far out on what I thought I’d done, it beggared believe.
I’d gone from Felixstowe to Colchester (An hour - even if I’m very generous) and back, round the quay to tip and turn, then called into the Shell garage for a very nice Douwe Egbert’s coffee at Haughley Bends. Thinking I’d better check to see how long I’d got left, I did a print out. I didn’t have any left. In fact, I was 13 minutes over 
(I can’t now remember where I was going later, but it was important that I got as far as possible with my first hit.)
Granted, I’d gone from where I was parked up near the Basin, across to the quay - 10, maybe 15 minutes. Let’s call it 15. Another 20 minutes to go round the quay - let’s give that half an hour. That’s 45. And I think I’m being very generous in that.
Colchester and back. 45 minutes each way ? Another hour, to be on the safe side. Same back to Felixstowe. So that’s another 2. Round the quay again. I’ll even give it 45. Out to Haughley Bends ? Well it was about just under half an hour at 56, so I’ll say 45 again since we’ve been limited down to 52 mph.
With all the generosity I’ve put into that, and it was very generous, that still only gives me 4 and a quarter. Where did the other half hour go ?
The stop/start/shunt thing in queues.
The “nicking one or nicking 2 minutes” thing.
Well, I agree that if I’m in a “normal” traffic queue, on the road; then I’m still driving. If I happen to sit for 15 and have it break, I will accept that as a break (if I want to) On the day I’m talking about, I was lucky and didn’t really get caught anywhere except in the queues for the quay. Typically, that involves joining a queue of about 12 ish (never actually counted that one) and moving forward one wagon length every 4 minutes (I have counted that one) One wagon length ? Seven ? Nine seconds ? Takes about half an hour in total. Maybe the mathematicians can work out the numerical length of the queue from that ? But I don’t think that’s too important. And in my mind, it certainly doesn’t equate to half an hours driving. If I’m out of the truck doing my twistlocks, filling up my water bottle from my water carrier, making a cup of tea, stood outside shooting the breeze with someone and having a ■■■ (smoking in the cab is now illegal 
) or even sat reading the tabloid trash I choose on account of the rather marvellous ■■■■■■■ that appear now and again is such publications, I can hardly be classed as driving, or indeed being in control of the vehicle ■■?
As an aside, I’m quite grateful for those with a “little forethought”
I managed to gain three places in the queue the other day, thanks to one guy who appeared to not want to be showing short movements or “lose” the odd minute
I predict a riot 
