keelman:
upto 800 jules, whatever that means
I think 10 ,000 joules equals 1 lithium crystal 
Great idea -in rural areas where you maybe 20 mins or more from "trained " medical help ie ambulance,gp etc it will definately save lives.
Not just restricted to ryral areas tho I think every truckstop should have one judging from the look of most of their customers 
As a Divisional Officer for St.John Ambulance, I am trained in the use of defribulators.
The most common in use at the moment is called the FR2. I can assure you that anybody on here, would be able to pick one up and use it without training!
As soon as you switch the unit on, you are voice prompted on what to do, where to put the pads (stick-on). You CAN NOT âshockâ someone, unless the machine detects the heart is in the wrong rhythm, it will not let you. These machine are NOT the same as the ones you see in hospitals or on Casualty etc.
I am re-assessed every 3mths and have only used one, once to jump-start someone.
Due to the safety features on the FR2, mistakes cannot be made.
As for whoâs using it, personally, I wouldnât give a toss, if I was having a heart attack and they re-started me.
Cost of an FR2 - ÂŁ3,500 (bought one for division 5mths ago)
Cost of a 4 day FAW - ÂŁ200
Cost of saving a life 
Regards
John
Do you think they will be using the defib machine to jump-start tractors with flat batteries on their round?
I think 10 ,000 joules equals 1 lithium crystal
nsh, sorry but youvâe lost me there 
John,
Cost of saving a life
no idea m8 but my heart stopped for 8.5 minutes, that was 10 years ago, and I still remember them that fought so hard for me and gave me my life back.
keelman:
nsh, sorry but youvâe lost me there
Ask Scotty if he can give you more power
I think this is the most sensible idea ever thought up. It is so brilliant in its simplicity
If you are in dire need of defribulation on the roadside or collapsed in your back garden, then somoene will find you.
The trained Dust Cart operator then has 3 choices:
He will loosen your clothing, place the pads over your chest and Bang, there you are good as new again, off you go 
If that fails, they can pop you into a wheelie bin and drive you to hospital, saving the need for an ambulance. It will also solve the problem of having to wait for a hospital trolley to come free. The porter can just wheel the bin into the ward
If both these options fail, then the bin man can put you straight into the back of the truck and take you to the tip.
This option has a further cost saving because now you will be cutting out the middleman, you wonât need a funeral director or a vicar 
There are even more savings for the council, as they are guaranteed to get their wheelie bins back.
Only one warning though, If you are taken ill during December, make sure you have a fiver in your pocket for a Christmas tip, otherwise the bin man will look after your neighbour first 
Sorry to disagree, but this is madness, not because bin men are incapable but think about it, in a rural area how many bin trucks are needed to be within even 30 minutes of most of the population.
Also with who is going to respond after 2 pm when they have gone home or at weekends ?.
Why not do what the Americans do & equip Fire engines with them, why not do what they are doing in parts of Norfolk & have them available locally & locals trained to use them, why not equip the police vehicles with them, these would provide 24/7 365 days a year cover.
Sorry to dissappoint youâŚbut its no good the police having them cos they are always too busy catching speeding motoristâŚunless they are used to revive the driver after he was caughtâŚ
Local carrot crunchers using themâŚno that wouldnt work because most of them only know how to drive a tractorâŚ
the firebrigade is a good idea as they are often called to people trapped in cars or burning buildings
the milkman would be good tooâŚwe could leave a note out saying `2 pints and a de-fib please on thursday
at the end of the day it doesnt matter who has them so long as they are put to good use and saves livesâŚand they are an added bonus until the paramedic arrivesâŚ
have a nice day
Wheel Nut:
3. If both these options fail, then the bin man can put you straight into the back of the truck and take you to the tip.
This option has a further cost saving because now you will be cutting out the middleman, you wonât need a funeral director or a vicar
I have two issues with this idea
Firstly you couldnât do this with truck drivers as they would be classed as hazardous waste (with all those noxious gases flowing round their inards)
Secondly With the current trend for recycling do you not think that the local authorities should recycle these patients and place them in the officeâs of RDCâs and put them on the desk that deals with the paperwork for the delivering drivers
I know of a couple of well known supermarket RDCâs that have already started started to use these recycled bodies for just this purpose
Most retained/rural fire stations in Devon/Cornwall are equipped with these life saving machines now and 95% of the time are on scene within the rural callout protocol time of 20mins, rendering that crucial first aid.
I donât know what itâs like in other Counties, but down here, a road ambulance can be anything up to 30mins away, sometimes further.
The more people carrying defibs the better, it means that at anytime, there should be someone close by to help.
John
Magic Mel:
And if you live in Coventry, should you put anyting in the wheelie bin that is undesirable (rubble, grass cuttings etc) the bin donât get emptied. So if I am inappropriately dressed when I need help, will I be refused?
Hmm, thatâs new. Speaking from experience as a mate in Cheylesmore (area of Coventry) has put a stripped four cylinder engine in the wheeliebin in the pastâŚ
daxi:
Sorry to disagree, but this is madness, not because bin men are incapable but think about it, in a rural area how many bin trucks are needed to be within even 30 minutes of most of the population.
Also with who is going to respond after 2 pm when they have gone home or at weekends ?.
Why not do what the Americans do & equip Fire engines with them, why not do what they are doing in parts of Norfolk & have them available locally & locals trained to use them, why not equip the police vehicles with them, these would provide 24/7 365 days a year cover.
Have I missed something hereâ â ?
Bear in mind that these bin emptying operatives are not replacing ambulance people. They will be first aiders, hopefully able to get to someone in trouble quicker than an ambulance because they are already in the area. It wonât be a case of binman or ambulance, the ambulance will be on the way as well, but the binman will be able to jump-start you and hopefully keep you going till the ambulance arrives.
As has already been said, fire crews do carry these de-fibâ machines and in some areas so do the police.
do you have to time your heart attack or in hull art attack pen and paper at the ready?
just thinking would you get extra pay if say for instance you was on a break and someone decided to have a heart attck
