Carryfast:
Rjan:
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It’s obvious that both ANC and ZANU PF were Soviet inspired and backed organisations.Both Mandela and Mugabe being enthusisatic supporters of that agenda
And my impression generally is that the Soviets were involved. But that doesn’t mean Mugabe and the like were communists (whether in the Soviet sense or otherwise).
In ‘your’ typically simplistic view it’s all about skin colour.In ‘my’ view it’s a far more complicated issue regarding rates of ethnic European civilisation progression and technical know how even down to the lowest farm hand v those of ethnic African.Sorry if calling a spade a spade doesn’t fit your script in that regard.
We can call a spade a spade and observe that apartheid policies ultimately razed Rhodesia to the ground and brought SA to the edge of it.
You argue that the white regime embodied civilisation, but in fact there has never been a system as egregiously exploitative as apartheid in Europe. The whites in Rhodesia did not come from such regimes. Regimes in Europe have been brought down for much less.
And the argument that whites brought progression is false, because the whites systematically tried to prevent blacks progressing. What the whites did was force their way in, get the blacks working for extremely low pay in order to service the needs of the developed world for food (and undercut farmers and agricultural workers based in the developed world), and tried to see to it that the blacks themselves would never rise above that station of subjugation and exploitation. Whatever it’s advantages, it’s disadvantages were clearly greater.
Of which even at a cultural and societal level it’s obvious that apartheid ( self determination of the differing ethnic cultures ) was a necessary and ultimately good thing.Had it been allowed to flourish naturally along the lines of ordinary gravitation instead of throwing the baby out with the ( exaggerated ) racism bathwater.
The races couldn’t flourish separately because the whites needed the blacks’ labour.
So here we are with both SA and Rhodesia now basket cases compared with their ‘wrong colour rule’ past situation.
Basket cases for whom? Previously the blacks were on their arses, now they are presidents.
You may argue that the majority of the blacks face worse crime rates, for example, but that is on account of whites fighting a revolutionary war to prevent equal civil rights, and malign elites frequently will impose social destruction to try and maintain their position, and the only thing you can do is guarantee them social destruction - and see if they will compromise, or do indeed have to be purged.
In addition to reverse racist murders and mistreatment of the ethnic European population to the point where any of them with any sense will get out of the place.At which point both places revert back to the usual situation of what happens when Africans run Africa with no ethnic European involvement.But now added to by Communist China exploiting the place to the max instead of us and the Dutch building it.That’ll fix it.
Perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned then, which is that if you want to build civilisation in Africa, you’ll have to work with blacks, not enslave them.
If whites want to work with blacks, they will have to accept black wages and share their “know how”, or else the blacks will just prefer to develop themselves autonomously (as whites originally did).
Yeah right.