And after a long wait i eventually start

Firstly, good luck to everyone who’s training or thinking about starting.

I really must put a matter to rest. I’ve been training HGV (call it LGV if you must) for nearly 40 years. Until 1997 when there was a major change in the licencing rules I trained on artics on a daily basis - 23 years of it. Then, because of the requirement to pass Class 2 (CAT C) before Class 1 (CE) we started using drawbar combinations purely for ease of use and for economy of operation. But, because I believed that someone trained on a drawbar would be incapable of driving a “proper artic” I kept one artic with a 40’ box to continue training once the test had been passed.

Did this for about a year during which time I took over 100 people out on the artic. All but one, had no serious problem with it. Yes, some corners were taken a bit wide and some opportunities to go were missed. But nothing remotely dangerous.

The other difference is the coupling. The proceedure is identical so far as the order of events goes. Clearly there is a different type of coupling to deal with - - so what? Learn on an artic and you will still find differences in the couplings. That comes with experience. And no-one can sell that.

So my point is this. For all the talk about learning on “industry compatable vehicles” and being able to drive “real trucks” there is one quite significant point deliberately overlooked. The first thing to do before anyone can drive anything is to pass a test for that category of vehicle. Why, oh why, make it difficult? By all means learn on an artic with a 40+’ trailer - - good luck. And yes, if you pass a test you will be more comfortable when you eventually get to drive one. But remember, the test has to be passed first or none of this matters.

Given that the cost of training is directly related to training time required, why opt for a longer option with more training involved heading towards a test that will be more difficult to pass because of the type of vehicle? Another small matter is that there is also an ever increasing possibility that a candidate can put himself through the joys and delights of training on an artic and then being asked to drive a drawbar combination. Had a call from someone just this week who trained elsewhere on the insistence that he wanted to learn on an artic but has secured a job driving a drawbar. So he’s coming to find out how to drive one. You see, it works both ways - - but that’s often pushed to one side.

Add to that the number of candidates who come to us having failed whatever number of times on an artic. These folk then end up spending money to get stuff put right and, to a man, say they wish they’d done it this way to start with.

BTW the reverse is unbelievably easy. There is no question, no debate, it’s fact.

Before you start shouting, bear in mind that I speak from extensive experience.

Anyone thinking about going from C to CE should have an assessment on an artic and also a drawbar. Please post the outcome on here once you’ve done it and maybe the endless debate will cease.

Once again, good luck all :laughing: :laughing: Pete

The trendy expression is “no brainer”.

Is it just me?

thankyou for that, it does make a lot of sense,
as for the days update here we go,

in short i woke up late and hurried along to find that my normal truck isnt in the bay, this worried me, but in fact that truck was being used on a test and i had a spare so ho hum,
anyway the truck was pretty much identical, (same model) but VERY diffrent to drive. diffrent box that was a lot harsher, the truck seemed to have more power and was very eager to run on in gears which i hadnt experienced in the other truck and i think it may have been slightly shorter.
the truck:

BUT as the instructor said, this is a worthwhile experience that not everyone gets, jumping from truck to truck may be part of my working life from now on, and just feeling the diffrence in this small jump really was an eye opener and i am gratefull,
anyway, did a few hours and seemed to be business as normal, fine driving with the ocassional suicidal pedestrian and inpatient soccer mom. i am SO much more comfortable now, knowing i have had a week off and come back as if its not just second nature but as if this is my only driving style now,
just a hour long refresher for me tomorow with a bit more theory and then it will be test time on monday. hopefully were i will meet this view and conquer

had my final couple of hours training today and its finally happened, i have had my BAD day driving, i knew it was coming as everyone has a bad day but i got so angry at myself,
i started carrying too much speed into a gradually tightening corner, that was curb one, then i approached a zebra crossing with an old lady near it, i thought she was waiting for a bus (nearby stop) but i was told because she was near the crossing and facing in that direction, continuing, which i did would be a fail.
i then nearly missed another lady about to cross fortunatelly i had spotted her and stopped but it would of been noted that i was approaching without caution braking, and going through some central line bollards i clipped a mirror on a overhanging tree,

i am not happy that i missed these things but as my instructor said, they are mistakes that i knew i was making and everyone has a off day, she is just glad i have had it now and not on my test,
if anything i am happy this has happened as it will be fresh on my mind monday and i will be 100% focused.

so now its the big wait for my test monday morning, i am booked in at 09:45 and even know which examiner is likelly to take me out , so now i just sit here and wait and try not to think about tests, or hgv or anything else. just relax and oh ■■■■■■■■ im on this forum and thinking about it lol. oh well.

Without being patronising, do your best to learn from your mistakes (and it sounds as if you have done just that) and go for the test in a positive frame of mind.

Remember that when you start the test, you’ve already passed. And that stays that way until you give the examiner reason to think differently. In short, you don’t have to be a star driver to pass the test. Just don’t make any major screw ups.

Very best of luck with it. Pete :laughing: :laughing:

thankyou, and thats exactly the way i feel about it. just dont like waiting so i will occupy myself and take my mind off it

right early night and i will let you all know in the afternoon

good luck Mikey, just forget your on a test just treat it as another learning session but concentrate like never before and you’ll be fine!

any news :question: :question: :question:

sorry the news is a little late coming, i have had quite a adventurous day out.
in short, YAY I PASSED!!!

a rather nice examiner said i was fit to join you all in the C category and just to keep me on my toes put 7 little scribbles on the test paper,
they were all one scribble per point not multiple mistakes and they were

reverse routine, 1 control
i did the whole manouvere in one go not needing a shunt but started second guessing my judgement on were the barrier was, so safety over ruled, engine off , took a look and then proceeded to complete very nicelly.

signals, 1 timed
stupid mistake that i am still kicking myself for, was told the direction of travel from an island and i indicated such, trouble was i indicated just before another less obvious exit.

clearance / obstruction 1
again another mistake that i could have easily prevented, i was asked to pull over one car length behind a vehicle, i pulled in early and travelled alongside the curb a little too close to some tree branches.

response to signs, traffic lights 1
caught out by a quick changing light, it had just turned green and i thought i was safe so continued, as i was level with the light it turned amber, i should have been off throttle and preparing for such a instance

use of speed 1
had a bit of a brain ■■■■ and confused a 30mph road for a 40mph, the road was 30mph for 200yds then switches to 40mph i was doing 33mph and quickly realised and backed off, very close call

position/ normal stops 1
pulled up to close to a vehicle in front of me, made it hard for myself pulling out onto main road again but just did it, i should have left a much bigger gap

awareness / planning 1
positioned myself a bit shallow on a rather tricky right hander, it extended out mid corner and i had to adjust to avoid kissing a kerb

in all i am very pleased, and just a little miffed at some of my silly mistakes. i know i could have driven better but that is all history. i have passed the test and can now use on the job experience and further training to get over them few silly mistakes,

thankyou all for your support, and help with silly questions, now i am just going to wait for my license to return and start the cpc mod 2 + 4 , and then i will make the decision on wether i continue straight away onto C + E or give it a little time,

Well done :smiley:

Well done its a nice felling :laughing: :laughing:

Now the hard part starts learning to drive Cat C

Well done Mikey, bet it’s a relief! Now the learning begins as they say… :wink:

thanks all, and yes i know the hard part is coming up, but i now have 2 choices,
i think i will make the decision when my new shiny license arrives
decision 1
get my new license, take my CPC mod 2 and 4 and get straight on the agencies and get some driving under my belt and learn the ropes.
decision 2
while i am still in learning mode, take my class 1 and a day course in full artic (my tutor operates wagon and drag) and then go into the job hunting mode with a full license set under my belt,

advice, criticisms etc are VERY welcome at this point.

If you can afford it then there’s no question, do your C+E. As has been said, it’s often much easier to get a start doing rigid work if you’ve got the C+E too. I wasn’t able to do that unfortunately since it just wasn’t financially viable at the time so if you can then you should definitely go for it.

Yes, well done! Let us know how you go on with class 1. Pete :laughing: :laughing:

i decided earlier today, when my license comes through from my class 2 pass i will continue straight away with all my CPC and class 1, i just feel its more under my belt for when i join the rat run in finding work, it has to count for something and maybe i will be one of the lucky ones, i will be sure to do a diary when i start and no doubt will keep asking you guys for advice

Congratulations mikey-t on passing your C test, good luck with your C+E & cpc :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: