OllieNotts:
Got told(by one of their own drivers)that a national agency with 3 letters at the beginning and network after are now not only forcing the drivers to use their umbrella scheme which takes %5 of all earning but they now charge the driver £10 a shift to if they are given work 8 hour shift is £10 as is a 15 hour shift but as he says he has no choice but to comply he lets them bend him over and carry on
Anyone else heard this or was he pulling my leg? I mean seriously who the [zb] pays an agency to go to work?
ADR use NOVA for umberella drivers also you can sign on with them PAYE and they use LTD company drivers.
as a LTD company driver i get an extra £1 per hr on top of the hourly rate for each client as do the Nova drivers.
As for decuctions the only deduction was £2 per shift to pay towards the ADR uniform charge of £40 if you wanted the uniform
OllieNotts:
Got told(by one of their own drivers)that a national agency with 3 letters at the beginning and network after are now not only forcing the drivers to use their umbrella scheme which takes %5 of all earning but they now charge the driver £10 a shift to if they are given work 8 hour shift is £10 as is a 15 hour shift but as he says he has no choice but to comply he lets them bend him over and carry on
Anyone else heard this or was he pulling my leg? I mean seriously who the [zb] pays an agency to go to work?
ADR use NOVA for umberella drivers also you can sign on with them PAYE and they use LTD company drivers.
as a LTD company driver i get an extra £1 per hr on top of the hourly rate for each client as do the Nova drivers.
As for decuctions the only deduction was £2 per shift to pay towards the ADR uniform charge of £40 if you wanted the uniform
Not at the Alfreton office, unless somethings changed recently
OllieNotts:
Got told(by one of their own drivers)that a national agency with 3 letters at the beginning and network after are now not only forcing the drivers to use their umbrella scheme which takes %5 of all earning but they now charge the driver £10 a shift to if they are given work 8 hour shift is £10 as is a 15 hour shift but as he says he has no choice but to comply he lets them bend him over and carry on
Anyone else heard this or was he pulling my leg? I mean seriously who the [zb] pays an agency to go to work?
ADR use NOVA for umberella drivers also you can sign on with them PAYE and they use LTD company drivers.
as a LTD company driver i get an extra £1 per hr on top of the hourly rate for each client as do the Nova drivers.
As for decuctions the only deduction was £2 per shift to pay towards the ADR uniform charge of £40 if you wanted the uniform
Not at the Alfreton office, unless somethings changed recently
As far as I’m aware most agencies will still accept PAYE drivers onto their books, but you are likely to be at the bottom of the pecking order when jobs are given out.
Unless things have changed since I was in the trade, it’s illegal for an employment agency to solicit any payment from a candidate for placing them in work.The only exceptions to this are theatrical agencies.
Subsequent replies to the thread would seem to prove that the OP is suffering from MMTM syndrome, and that the usual agency-bashers are daft enough to believe it.
jason252:
as a LTD company driver i get an extra £1 per hr on top of the hourly rate for each client as do the Nova drivers.
Wow, a whole quid. And some people think thats a good thing even though it doesn’t even cover the holiday pay they don’t get and the employers NI they have to pay.
Whenever I see people go “but I get an extra £1 an hour!” I think
gnasty gnome:
Unless things have changed since I was in the trade, it’s illegal for an employment agency to solicit any payment from a candidate for placing them in work.
Only if they’re on PAYE. If they’re under an umbrella company or Ltd its not illegal.
gnasty gnome:
Unless things have changed since I was in the trade, it’s illegal for an employment agency to solicit any payment from a candidate for placing them in work.The only exceptions to this are theatrical agencies.
Subsequent replies to the thread would seem to prove that the OP is suffering from MMTM syndrome, and that the usual agency-bashers are daft enough to believe it.
I am suffering nowt mate I have nothing to gain from this I also said he could be pulling my leg but he was sincere in what he said. I have also pointed out as it wasn’t very clear in my OP that ADR are not charging him anything the company that pays him are, if I see him I shall ask for further proof. Not every office adapts the same practises just because the company come under the same name. I am sure if it is tosh then an ADR driver from alfreton can indeed confirm if this is true or not.
They will need that by than many Short Shifts.
But how is it if your Shift gets minutes before your Start cancelled?
They may still get paid,but you dont.
Or do i see that wrong.
Its maybe that the TO keeps the Agency on Pay during you seat at Home
Think its called “Wind-up”
OllieNotts:
I have also pointed out as it wasn’t very clear in my OP that ADR are not charging him anything the company that pays him are, if I see him I shall ask for further proof. Not every office adapts the same practises just because the company come under the same name. I am sure if it is tosh then an ADR driver from alfreton can indeed confirm if this is true or not.
Fair enough. As Conor pointed out it’s a different scene if the umbrella company’s paying him, but as they’re not an agency then I guess this must be the way round it.
Out of interest; this seems to me to be a similar thing to what was reported in the news recently about civil service high-fliers being paid through a limited company to reduce tax liability. Be interesting to see if there’s any knock-on effect down the line since the government seem to have cold feet about this at the top end of the pay scale. However, I suspect that the old “one rule for us etc” will come into play.
tachograph:
As far as I’m aware most agencies will still accept PAYE drivers onto their books, but you are likely to be at the bottom of the pecking order when jobs are given out.
What?
“Not prepared to let us rip you off or play it bent or scam the insurance against yourself?”
No work for you then!
gnasty gnome:
Unless things have changed since I was in the trade, it’s illegal for an employment agency to solicit any payment from a candidate for placing them in work.
Only if they’re on PAYE. If they’re under an umbrella company or Ltd its not illegal.
The thing is, they’re putting you on umbrella, and CALLING it PAYE!
I refered to this as “Pseudo PAYE” on another thread, and ADR are not the only ones pulling this scam which I’ve already spoken to HMRC about, and they accept it’s a loophole they are seriously going to jump on in the coming year(!!)
You see, they deduct your tax (from your SE/Umbrella gross pay) then keep it for the entire tax year, and don’t pay any employers contributions either. First you’ll know you’ve been had is when you ask HMRC for a rebate to be told “Sorry bud, you don’t seem to have paid any tax this year - are you self-employed?” or you sign on at the DSS and they tell you your self employed and therefor entitled to nowt without serious amounts of proof which you’ll find it very hard to get all of a sudden! You might one day get a tax rebate from the pot you’ve built up (minus their commission of course!) and you might get some “holiday pay” that has been built up from a DEDUCTION FROM YOUR PAY FFS!
I think comparisons with Ryanair are about right here…
Rip-Off 101
Because there are a 101 different ways of parting you from your cash by stealth nowdays…
tachograph:
As far as I’m aware most agencies will still accept PAYE drivers onto their books, but you are likely to be at the bottom of the pecking order when jobs are given out.
What?
“Not prepared to let us rip you off or play it bent or scam the insurance against yourself?”
No work for you then!
thats the conclusion I ve come up with when I woudent go self employed
I referred to this as “Pseudo PAYE” on another thread, and ADR are not the only ones pulling this scam which I’ve already spoken to HMRC about, and they accept it’s a loophole they are seriously going to jump on in the coming year(!!)
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Yes, that’s likely (NOT) considering the amount the big agency bosses contribute to the political parties to keep them sweet and the number of other professions that use the same loophole.
Had to laugh yesterday when it was reported that Moira Stewart (the ex-newsreader), who fronts the ‘tax doesn’t have to be taxing’ campaign by HMRC is, like many BBC employees, also paid through a limited company…
Iv’e been with ADR for around 5 years now ,as far as i know they use Esuntal and pure pay as there unbrella companys.The contract i am on has between 10-12 drivers a day all from ADR and while most are on the umbrella scheme some are ltd co’s and 2 guys are still on P.a.y.e,never heard of anyone being charged to work and there are a least another 20-40 drivers a day on another contract at this firm but saying that i would not put it past ADR to try this.ADR has grown very large since i first started with them and this has been done by under cutting all the other agencys but they are no different to any other agency in there working practices .
garp:
Iv’e been with ADR for around 5 years now ,as far as i know they use Esuntal and pure pay as there unbrella companys.The contract i am on has between 10-12 drivers a day all from ADR and while most are on the umbrella scheme some are ltd co’s and 2 guys are still on P.a.y.e,never heard of anyone being charged to work and there are a least another 20-40 drivers a day on another contract at this firm but saying that i would not put it past ADR to try this.ADR has grown very large since i first started with them and this has been done by under cutting all the other agencys but they are no different to any other agency in there working practices .
There are many offices in UK and you not putting the location of the office means nowt
To join my local ADR I now have to run with their scheme of things and go umbrella/ltd so are you alfreton or elsewhere?
garp:
Iv’e been with ADR for around 5 years now ,as far as i know they use Esuntal and pure pay as there unbrella companys.The contract i am on has between 10-12 drivers a day all from ADR and while most are on the umbrella scheme some are ltd co’s and 2 guys are still on P.a.y.e,never heard of anyone being charged to work and there are a least another 20-40 drivers a day on another contract at this firm but saying that i would not put it past ADR to try this.ADR has grown very large since i first started with them and this has been done by under cutting all the other agencys but they are no different to any other agency in there working practices .
There are many offices in UK and you not putting the location of the office means nowt
To join my local ADR I now have to run with their scheme of things and go umbrella/ltd so are you alfreton or elsewhere?
Could be Crick, was talking to an ADR driver in Hemel last week, and he was on PAYE. Alfreton not done it for over 4 years
If you are given a full time contract with all the hours you want when you want them, then SE/Umbrella can be made to work.
It starts going wrong when you DON’T get the hours/shifts/hourage that you thought you’d signed up for, and then you see all the front-loaded commissions that come out of your pay for what they are - the same thing that makes so many pension funds run into deficit. People like to blame the “Brown Pension Grab” but hey, he’s not been running the show for quite a while now, which means either his “grab” was a one off, yet we still get ripped off ongoing, OR his “grab” was a change in the system to continually make the pots line the handlers pockets - which hasn’t been turned over by this change of government has it?
When I filled out the agency forms, I said I wanted nights & weekends only. I was told I’d have to sign a 12hour per week thingy, and it was put to me in a way where it was obvious that those 12 hours would NOT be at the weekend, or even nights! They’d very likely end up being rock-bottom morrisons midweek rate, and I woudn’t get a sniff of the decent £13ph stuff because I’m too far down in the pecking order of things. The fact that I’ve never been offered anything else via this agency proves I must be right in my suspicions, otherwise I’d have least been given some token shift at a non-morrisons/iceland/nisa firm just to get the damned account open by now! I would have been quite happy to sign up to their umbrella thing IF I’d been able to get the friday,saturday,sunday 12 hour shifts nights that I wanted.
I couldn’t get anything in writing to line up with all the false promises of course…
When I started going on about proper PAYE I got a look of derision like he’d just found me in bed with his missus…
Who’s doing the damned work after all?
8 hours @ 8.50ph=£68.
Less double contributions?
Less Emergency tax not forwarded to HMRC until the end of the year
Less Umbrella fee that you didn’t get out of asking for PAYE
Less Salary sacifice fee
Less cost of getting to work
less uniform deduction
less cost of unpaid assessments
less cost of assessor not turning up (x2 above cost!)
You might have enough left for a bag of crisps…
All I wanted was 36x£13ph=£468 gross, less fair deductions that pay for themselves because of the proper amount involved.
Too much to ask obviously.
just to let ollie know i work for the branch that is now in harlow ,i say now because when i started with them they were in st.albans then moved to hatfield and then moved to harlow .When i said they are no different to any over agency by that i meant they will do anything to make a buck at the expence of the driver,even tho to be fair they do keep me in work i do seem to be having weekly battles with them over something or other but i put this down to a few new faces in the harlow office.
8 hour shift is £10 as is a 15 hour shift but as he says he has no choice but to comply he lets them bend him over and carry on
