Agency V Full time

Jonny, I was a consultant in a previous life. I’ve also been a TM, and an agency driver, so I’ve seen every possible angle of the agency game.

My advice to anyone who intends jacking a steady full-time job for agency work is simple; DON’T. All jobs go through cycles when it seems crap, you’re getting nowhere and you seem to be the only bugger doing anything, but getting all the hassle as well. It’s called life, and it happens mate. However tempting that extra two quid an hour might sound, it’s not guaranteed every week, or even every day; no agency work ever is.

You don’t just learn a trade as an apprentice BTW, you learn about how other people do the job. However unsavoury it may be to you, take note of how they do well and apply it to your own work.

One thing worth considering is that the economic situation isn’'t like the early 90’s or even as bad as the early 80’s right now. It’s a lot worse, because all attempts to get the economy moving are nothing more than “pushing on string” all the time. QE doesn’t work, “stimulus infrastructure spending” doesn’t work, and the private sector won’t spend what they don’t have on investing in the business. It isn’t possible to cheaply borrow anymore, so expansion for any business looking to take on new drivers is a real uphill struggle, and a lot less likely to happen now than at any time for the past 30 years.

If you know that your income is going to fall, fall, fall for the next decade then you can sidestep the nasty effects of such downward mobility by cutting your OWN costs rather than let everyone else cut your standard of living whilst you just stand there and take it. If I do £500 one week, and the following week I get nowt, then I can look forward to a rebate on the tax I paid on that first week for example. This builds up over the year, and the 4 figure rebate cheque from HMRC at the end of it is a big help in a year with otherwise sporadic earnings. Getting back the tax you paid isn’t scrounging like some would have it, and more importantly it is something that ANYONE can do - although it DOES work best with PAYE pay.

I like the aspect with agency work that I can pick and choose the days and even the number of hours I want to work. I I fancy a 15 hour shift, I just pick up a supermarket shift for instance, but if I want a full week’s worth, I might elect for a parcel trunk. Not having huge amounts of debt payments to service helps a lot, as let’s face it, the need to take home £500+ a week is often driven by the need to pay out £1000+ a month in interest payments!
If you’re not paying out that kind of interest, you can easily get by on a lot less even down here in the southeast! :wink:

If I were in full time employment right now, I might find myself with either a flat week with no overtime, OR be stuck with a huge contracted working week like 54 hours at a lacklustre hourly rate and no perks. I don’t want to be living and dying for my job, just earn enough to get by, until the long-term economic improvement finally comes. :slight_smile:

I compare this coming decade to the 1930’s rather than the 1970’s. Don’t let the “inflation” feint lead you up the garden path. Our current status is roughly where we were in 1926 - a year which saw the General Strike! We’re not after the stock market crash either, we might well be 3 years before it right now!
Going with this timeline, we’ll see a steepening of the fall in 3 years, a total bottom-out in 6 years, and then a recovery in another five years IF there isn’t a natural disaster like the dust bowl to make it take a lot longer. Hopefully we won’t be needing world war III to complete the downward economic adjustment that the Western Nations seem to be in need of. During this time, being with an agency means having exposure to a lot more employers than being full time at one place that could show you the door overnight, with you then finding yourself at the back of the queue if you left it until THEN to look for agency work, with no one recruiting full-time at all. :frowning:

The banks are busy paddling with inflation against the huge current flowing against them down the deflation waterfall right now. If they were “winning” this battle, then interest rates would have long since risen, and economic recovery would have already been kick-started with cheap fixed borrowing whilst rates were low. Of course, cheap fixed rate borrowing has still not OCCURRED whilst rates have been this low for the past 4 years - so neither shall any kind of economic recovery based on newly-borrowed money.

If you stand still at the top of the waterfall (stagnant savings) then you’ll get swept over the edge as soon as your legs are too tired for you to continue standing.
If you paddle up the waterfall, then you’re on a fools errand. You’ll waste all your energies very likely to be swept off at the worst possible height for “damage”!
If you dive off the waterfall, you’ll probably die but you will be totally out of danger if you Don’t die straight away!

Not very good options I guess, but the sensible person is going to be taking diving lessons in this parable I reckon! :grimacing:

What the hell are you on about. He is wanting to leave his job not jump start the economy. Yes or no on the agency route would do.

The agency fellas with 3 kids have to work less hours due to working tax credits, there in a win, win situation, they ask for AM shifts and no weekend work, got it sussed me thinks.

gnasty gnome:
Jonny, I was a consultant in a previous life. I’ve also been a TM, and an agency driver, so I’ve seen every possible angle of the agency game.

My advice to anyone who intends jacking a steady full-time job for agency work is simple; DON’T. All jobs go through cycles when it seems crap, you’re getting nowhere and you seem to be the only bugger doing anything, but getting all the hassle as well. It’s called life, and it happens mate. However tempting that extra two quid an hour might sound, it’s not guaranteed every week, or even every day; no agency work ever is.

+1

Jacking a steady job for agy work is NEVER a good idea, and even more stupid in the current economic market.
There are huge numbers of experienced agy drivers out there already struggling for work, so someone starting out on agy and looking to make a career of it, is going to take some time to get higher up the pecking order

Rooster:
The agency fellas with 3 kids have to work less hours due to working tax credits, there in a win, win situation, they ask for AM shifts and no weekend work, got it sussed me thinks.

EXACT same thing here with the agency guys@ Tesco NI,
has to be something SERIOUSLY wrong with that situation and when “big brother” Government catches on its bound to get changed :exclamation: :exclamation: :unamused:

But untill they do take whats on offer,why work every week when you can do every other and claim the benefits.

It seems a few may not actually know jonny’s story.

He’s not a driver, not got a HGV licence, so won’t be going on a driving agency.

Now, MANY years ago, I was a security guard for the building of the second runway at Manchester Airport through agency (Blue Arrow), and it was just like being permanent.

Jonny, go for it mate, but keep saving and cramming the hours in so you can get something decent, permanent.

Good luck with the pallet job, it’s a decent, well paid, and easy job to be honest, my neighbour does it and earns much more than I do as a driver - even when I drove for the same pallet firm.

waynedl:
He’s not a driver, not got a HGV licence, so won’t be going on a driving agency.

Fully aware of that; it’s even more reason for not leaving a “permanent” job for an agency one.

All Jonny’s likely to get is the crap work; hopefully he’ll correct me if I’m wrong but AFAIK he hasn’t even got an FLT licence, and cycles to work at the moment. To succeed in what’s usually known as the industrial side of agency work you need to either hit on a long-term contract where you’ll more than likely be doing mind-numbingly crap jobs, or have your own car (and be willing to take other temps as pasengers) and preferably other skills like FLT, plant licences or food hygiene qualifications. You’d also need to be willing to do unsociable shift patterns, often at short notice.

Flexibility is the key to earning a good living on agencies; not just in attitude but in skill sets and availability.

Well before I reply I would like to say thanks for the advice in helping make my decision, and having been away from work for near on a week now and having time to chill out I suppose the decision made won’t be so harsh. I have applied for certain positions regarding both office & office work etc. And well I understand jacking full time work for agency is a bit silly especially silly when it’s coming to peak season in my current job and there’ll be more overtime than I can shake a stick at (6-7 weeks worth to be precise!) Meaning I can eventually earn sort of what everybody else is on in them weeks :laughing:

Although the driver thing is soon going to change I must say. Having looked at the sheet of things ‘to learn’ I’ve had about 7-9 lessons so far and half the sheet is already ticked off meaning I’m close…runs in the family I suppose :laughing: Meaning I’ll be passed well before christmas which will be a good thing for me! And you are right as in not having my FLT etc on that sense although I am going to have words about this to try convince them to put me through it as I suppose it’s more stuff to have them keeping me on once this apprenticeship stuff is over. Also my current shift patterns are unsociable in a sense, 4 on 4 off shifts aren’t kind on a young lads social life but not something that usually bothers me too non.

Although I have applied for another warehouse slot closer to home, similar to what I’m doing now but MUCH better money as well as better shift patterns ( 6 while 2, 2 while 10 and 10 while 6 on nights) But again is agency work but if it’s anything like the agencies we use so long as the staff work hard they keep them in and having experience in something other than unpaid school placement work places it looks better on the old CV. But it will be a waiting game, but as was I have been told when I first started working ‘See it through but keep looking for something better’ and while I have the chance I think it’s better to bite the bait and see than sit back and wonder ‘what if’

But thank you all for the advice and words of wisdom as they have been put to good use and I’m not saying I’m packing in my full time job willy nilly but I’m ‘seeing it through’ until I find something better Aka better money, closer to home sort of thing!

Cheers

Jonny :sunglasses: