Agency Drivers Furlough

commonrail:

Winseer:
As for this "going around bragging/loudmouthing etc. I dunno where that comes from.

You do enough of it on here.

We have a group of agency regulars at our place.
Nobody tries to backstab them or make their lives difficult.
They’re just part of the fixtures and fittings…albeit,part time.
And it was the same at the last firm I worked.

You’re gonna have to remind me of what I once said then… I don’t recall ever loud-mouthing anyone as being “Crap”, especially on an individual level.
Backstabbing - is something that happens to me not by me as well.
Up until the run-up to me being got rid of each time, I’m as happy as anything with the job, and would be quite happy if everyone just let me get on with it in peace, rather than moaning about any “varient” way I might go about it that seems to “make them look bad”, perhaps because I’m too keen to get on with it.

I see RM Advertizing for drivers via Manpower… I guess this is to do with the current round of Walk-outs going on @ RM…
If I replied to these ads, the firm would probably be keen to keep me on as a “Picket Crosser” (something I’ve never done…) but letting me go again the moment the Return-to-Work agreement gets signed in due course…
No thanks! Doing something that “makes one unpopular among the other drivers” - is one thing… Risking getting a brick through my window, with the police all busy somewhere else harassing dog walkers - is quite another. I’d be the first one to say “I don’t want no trouble” - period!

Winseer:
I’m not the one picking fights here… I aim to be ignored at all times, but alas I manage to upset people by merely being present, it seems… As for this "going around bragging/loudmouthing etc. I dunno where that comes from… That’s someone else you’re describing - not me.

Seriously if you are getting the problems you describe a few posts up then clearly you are upsetting A lot of people and don’t realise it.

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drover:

Winseer:
I’m not the one picking fights here… I aim to be ignored at all times, but alas I manage to upset people by merely being present, it seems… As for this "going around bragging/loudmouthing etc. I dunno where that comes from… That’s someone else you’re describing - not me.

Seriously if you are getting the problems you describe a few posts up then clearly you are upsetting A lot of people and don’t realise it.

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My “Dream Utopia” office would be

Turn up, maybe a couple of "Hi"s
Get keys
Do job
Hand back keys
Download card
Maybe a “Seeya tomorrow”…

No other “social ■■■■■■■■■■■” whatsoever.
I turn up, do the job, go home - get paid. Week in, week out. Nobody trying to “De-brief me”, nobody “having a word in my ear”, no “We’ve had this complaint” when all I want to do is “get on with it” and “get home” like everyone else should be thinking, but seems to think I’m personally after their jobs or something stupid, which I’m most definitely not.

Winseer:
Waitrose in U-turn on virus pay policy - BBC News

I’m beginning to think that if there’s one thing worse than being laid off as agency - it’s being kept on as full timer!

No sniff of any furlough pay to date at the agency… I do hope they don’t try and side-step their financial obligations as well, here… Agency are not answering my messages… I’ve been offered work at a different venue, got told I have to undergo another assessment, and now the goalpost has been moved, as I’ve been asked for a Covid-19 letter WTF ever THAT is!?

Ed: Story linked has been edited to reflect a U-TURN posted by Beeb @ 22:00 tonight.
If the agency have got no work for me, anywhere, at all, ongoingly… Just furlough me on 80% of my average pay these past 13 weeks already! :unamused: :neutral_face:

You’d think there would be so many people out sick or self-isolating right now - that the work would be pouring into agencies… But the opposite is happening, very likely in the case of above firm - because they’ve got a mothballed sister business to cart a load of spare drivers in from

In another thread you are saying you haven’t been offered furlough.
In this thread you say you have been offered work.

I’ve been offered an unpaid assessment IF I turf in a Covid form, whatever that is.
I’ve asked for a written explanation - but not got one.

Being offered an unpaid assessement but no actual paid work at places I’m already assessed at - is the firm’s oversight. If they’ve got no work for me, they should just pay me off my full accrued holiday, and sack me - BUT they’d then forfeit any ongoing bulk claim for other workers on their books that are getting work at this time eh?

I’m not asking for anything that my peers at same agency are not getting.
I don’t believe for a minute that this firm, nor any other that have “stood people down” - have not put in for some kind of grant at this time.
The choices are:

Put in for a grant, then try and avoid passing it on to staff (crooked)
OR
Not put in for a grant, and go bust (Straight, but futile)
OR
Put in for grant, and keep honest by passing on the 80% average of last 12 month’s pay to staff getting zero work (Congrats to companies already doing this straight-up)

It seems individuals cannot claim monies for themselves. One’s employer has to be the one putting in for it.
So… If I am to receive zippo for all eternity as “company policy”, then the firm had better had not made a claim for money on my behalf with the intention of pocketing, palming me off with “Not for you sonny” in the meantime, hoping I’ll just quietly resign or kill myself when and if I’m turfed out onto the street for not meeting my mortgage.
The main reason agencies are not going to survive this year out - is because people like me are going to whistleblow them as and when Gov.UK have found any discrepencies between indivudual’s claims for hardship vs their current employers who’ve strangely caused such hardship, and yet are still trading as companies…
OR the firms can just go bust to avoid the legal s—storm that is coming their way the moment this lockdown lifts.

All the agencies needed to so was stand everyone down, put in the claim, get the gov money, and pay everyone off THEN go into liquidation if the lockdown hadn’t ended by that point OR re-boot everyone if it has.

commonrail:

Winseer:
As for this "going around bragging/loudmouthing etc. I dunno where that comes from.

You do enough of it on here.

We have a group of agency regulars at our place.
Nobody tries to backstab them or make their lives difficult.
They’re just part of the fixtures and fittings…albeit,part time.
And it was the same at the last firm I worked.

…So by your reckoning, if I post a lot - that’s bragging. If my posts are overly long - That’s bragging. If I don’t grass a fellow worker up, but they jump at the chance to grass me up - that’s loudmouthing. I’m acting as part of the fixtures and fittings, but not left alone if I put in too many hours for their liking - that’s making their lives difficult is it? If I’m earning more than them and talking about it - that’s costing them personally is it? That people despise me so, and never bring it up with me face to face - WTF was THAT all about?

The first time I know about how unpopular I apparently was - is only after I’ve been blown out of the water, politically. That’s not me doing the “Backstabbing” neither then.

Perhaps the one bit of the above where you may be correct on reflection - is the “part time” bit: If I hadn’t been pushing for maximum hours all the time, perhaps I would have kept the lower profile I’d intended…
Best thing I can do for the future - is take that on board, then.

I got asked by a stranger the other day “How much I was on”?
I told them I didn’t know. A complete and obvious bare-faced lie on my part, wheraes previously I might have just blurted out the truth…
They were happy with my answer though.
I guess this is a bit like when you ask someone “Hey, howareya?” - you expect and want the reply “Fine! - And you?” rather than “Not so good actually, the dog died, and I’m on zero pay, and the chippy was closed… blah blah”. People don’t want the truth. They want to be lied to - especially by everyone, friend, acquaintance, foe, or stranger alike.
“Ignorance is bliss” to the rank-and-file that might decide they don’t like me IF they heard the truth from me, straight-up from our first encounter.

I guess now I can proverbially sit on the window ledge, and eat my popcorn as everyone else falls past me. Telling people to amend their practices, giving out tips, “pontificating”, just plain friendly advice - didn’t make me any friends, so I’ll keep stumn at work from now on, and stay out of everyone else’s issues.

I’d actually tried to do this at RM, but then got exposed one day on the shop floor, and I was gone days later, same old same old… :frowning:

Let’s try “Stay a stranger” from now on. :bulb:

Not saying long posts are bragging.

You come across as someone who thinks they’re a little bit smarter than the rest.
As though everyone else is a mug.

This persona WILL make you unpopular. :bulb:

Most people will react in a passive manner…and have nothing to do with you.
However,some will seek to cause you trouble.

Sounds like it’s already cost you one of the plummets jobs around(RM).
Think on lad…think on.

commonrail:
Sounds like it’s already cost you one of the plummets jobs around(RM).
Think on lad…think on.

Absolutely true. I’ve been on agency exclusively with Royal Mail since 2011. Never had a minutes trouble with anyone. Only do the odd day now, but will do extra at peak period.

commonrail:
Not saying long posts are bragging.

You come across as someone who thinks they’re a little bit smarter than the rest.
As though everyone else is a mug.

This persona WILL make you unpopular. :bulb:

Most people will react in a passive manner…and have nothing to do with you.
However,some will seek to cause you trouble.

That’s what happenes when you know more than most or to put it another way you have half a brain
You are up against a drove of hangers on who would not get a job sweeping the streets
Best just keep on telling it like it is although it goes in one place and out to fairyland

Winseer:
I’ve been offered an unpaid assessment IF I turf in a Covid form, whatever that is.
I’ve asked for a written explanation - but not got one.
.

That couple of sentences alone speaks volumes about you. I have no doubt that it would speak volumes to any prospective employer too. The sad thing being that you’ll not grasp in the slightest what I’m alluding to.

Oh, whilst we’re talking you seem to have developed (yet) another obsession that out there some unscrupulous employer is claiming your 80% and pocketing it rather than giving you it. My advice to you is to look over your left shoulder, then look over your right shoulder. Do that quickly and repeatedly and that is called giving your head a shake. That’s what you need to do if you seriously think that any employer is going to be stupid enough to attempt to defraud the Government at this time. They’d nail them to a tree.

commonrail:
Sounds like it’s already cost you one of the plummets jobs around(RM).
Think on lad…think on.

I don’t doubt it…
It was no coincidence that I was out the door days after being outed at work there…

If I’d been Black, Gay, or Foreign - I might have had another case to bring, but as agency of course - I ain’t got no rights at all.
It was good whilst it lasted, I guess… :neutral_face:

God, how I hate “Office Politics”…

the maoster:

Winseer:
I’ve been offered an unpaid assessment IF I turf in a Covid form, whatever that is.
I’ve asked for a written explanation - but not got one.
.

That couple of sentences alone speaks volumes about you. I have no doubt that it would speak volumes to any prospective employer too. The sad thing being that you’ll not grasp in the slightest what I’m alluding to.

Oh, whilst we’re talking you seem to have developed (yet) another obsession that out there some unscrupulous employer is claiming your 80% and pocketing it rather than giving you it. My advice to you is to look over your left shoulder, then look over your right shoulder. Do that quickly and repeatedly and that is called giving your head a shake. That’s what you need to do if you seriously think that any employer is going to be stupid enough to attempt to defraud the Government at this time. They’d nail them to a tree.

You think?

I have little faith in human nature when it wears a suit. If it is possible to rip someone off without consequence to oneself, then that opportunity does and has been taken up at every and any opportunity by those insufficiently regulated employer people ranging from Mike Ashley in the real world down to Fagin in the fictional world.
Would you call off your entire stack of either money or your life itself - if it were even 1% possible for you to lose?
“Risk Management” by these people who don’t actually know how to “Gamble” - is instead an accountancy exercise in “reducing one’s legal liabilities by getting rid of wised-up people that you can’t push around without taking damage”. An actual business entrepeneur, used to taking calculated risks though? - I continue to live in hope that one day I’ll be working for such a paragon of proper business acumen: A boss who judges their staff by how much they make for the firm minus how little they cost the firm. NOTHING ELSE! Keep politics out of Business - or you end up employing a lot of popular 9-points-on-licence types, whilst snarling at zero-points people like me for “clocking up hours” that they should be patting me on the back for ffs…

All a business has to do to rip off the taxpayer - is do something out of sight of those in government and/or council at that moment, and pre-get rid of any whistleblowers such as myself that know where the bodies are buried, so to speak. When someone refuses to sack me in writing, but then tries to keep all further communications with me away from their own logged system - I am naturally suspicious as to their motives… It is a “poker read” if you will. They offer me an unpaid assessment, and I unexpectedly say “Ok”… Then a previously unmentioned “form fill” is needed before I can carry on… Hmm… I requested an explanation to what a Covid form is - to be blanked, and told “It cannot be explained except over the phone”. BULL! I’ve now set-up my answerphone to record incoming calls. If it can’t be said “legally”, then don’t bloody well bother trying to say anything to me at all! I won’t be party to any perceived firm’s shenanigans trying to rip off the taxpayer - not ever!

Take Branson for example: The public are already fuming that he’s even asking for government monies, even though he’s closer to getting granted some than I would be… He’s attempting to use Ltd Company protections (now obsolete in this new era we’re coming into…) to shield his personal fortune from the bust-out that his airline is going to make of him personally if he cannot extracate himself from his failing company liabilities… I expect at the end of this, he’ll go the same way as Freddie Laker, barely able to keep hold of a fraction of his personal fortune, and remembered with disdain by history. Meanwhile, we taxpayers on the left of Financial matters - are hoping that this particular “Captain of Industry” - goes down with his bloody ship here! :angry: He brags that he “never took money off the NHS” - no, but his companies under his instructions bloody well did!

Our mainstream political parties have been rather too nice to so-called “Business”, too soft on “Regulation”, too hands-off with “punishments”, and too slow with “open and shut moral hazard cases”. THAT is why people like Farage - cannot make headway against them in Parliament. The one thing that Unites our establishment - is “not letting upstarts climb the greasy pole” as has already happened in other countries around the world.

It isn’t the fact that I’ve been offered zero furlough money that so much gets my goat - it is the fact that my peers are already back at work, and I’m effectively “shadow banned from site for life” - just like I was at RM.
NO honesty to do it properly, but instead a socially engineered stitch-up, cos they know damned well I’d litigate successfully again if they put a foot wrong in getting rid of me in a legal manner that would indirectly put them foul of some government rule or other… Yeh, I’m a troublemaker alright - but only when up against this office politik bull time and time again.

Let’s see who’s still around by the end of this year, because as I posted earlier “I’ll just be sitting on a proberbial window ledge getting my popcorn out, watching high-ups fall past me” in future. I’m a survivor. For those others who cannot see where I’ve been coming from - I wish you luck, 'cos you’re all gonna need it in the next six months in particular. If I have to go on silent running now to ‘dodge the bullets’ - then so be it. :neutral_face: You have your own coms - don’t say you were not warned of what is coming. “Belief” or lack thereof isn’t any good once “Black Swans” become the new NORMAL. :exclamation:

Haven’t some employees already shopped there boss for furloughing them then telling them they need to turn up for work , if they hadn’t reported it how would the government
Know they were at work & not at home

I don’t think many people would have objected to being furloughed - had the money for effectively being on “paid gardening leave” been forthcoming from the start for everyone.

dozy:
Haven’t some employees already shopped there boss for furloughing them then telling them they need to turn up for work , if they hadn’t reported it how would the government
Know they were at work & not at home

Don’t tell me the Logistics People are doing this?

dozy:
Haven’t some employees already shopped there boss for furloughing them then telling them they need to turn up for work , if they hadn’t reported it how would the government
Know they were at work & not at home

HMRC will soon find out via their tax receipts and NIC.

peirre:

dozy:
Haven’t some employees already shopped there boss for furloughing them then telling them they need to turn up for work , if they hadn’t reported it how would the government
Know they were at work & not at home

Don’t tell me the Logistics People are doing this?

We can’t be furloughed apparently that’s why we’re at work ( so I’m told ) , no it was on another forum

Time for me to find out from the DWP if the firm has put in for a grant or not… I doubt very much if anyone else has been paid out unless they’ve put in for a grant, since there will be no money for them.

I don’t have a case of course, if we’re all being treated the same… Maoster seems to be confirming on the other thread that “Inequality” is alive and well though, but I’ll leave the DWP to make a decision on what is right and what is wrong there. D-Day will be the end of the month, by which point all stood-down PAYE staff nationwide should have received some money if their PAYE employer has put in for it, which the vast majority of firms are likely to do. It would almost be business suicide NOT to put in a claim - wouldn’t it?

I cannot complain if I’m being treated the same as everyone else.

If I’m just being routintely lied to, and discriminated against though? - I’ve got plenty of time on my hands right now to correspond with the relevant government departments with regards “how to proceed” from here on.

I got mine backdated for 3 weeks about £340 PW, which seems about right. That was Tuesday.

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