Been driving 25 years, only been tugged by Vosa 3 times. The chances of getting stopped are relative to the worry of getting stopped - so don’t worry. Crack on and get in bed with the wench rather than blubbering for two hours waiting to be picked up and still having to drive back or be driven back in silence.
If I wanted nights out I would go back to tramping.
Honked:
Been driving 25 years, only been tugged by Vosa 3 times. The chances of getting stopped are relative to the worry of getting stopped - so don’t worry. Crack on and get in bed with the wench rather than blubbering for two hours waiting to be picked up and still having to drive back or be driven back in silence.If I wanted nights out I would go back to tramping.
How do the company hide the mileage discrepencies?
Traffic Examiners reading this would dearly like to know.
Any new drivers reading Honked’s method i suggest you ignore the advice given, you’ll be sacked immediately if the company wants to keep its O-licence and the conversation with the Traffic Commissioner should you get caught will be short and extremely unpleasant.
Juddian:
Honked:
Been driving 25 years, only been tugged by Vosa 3 times. The chances of getting stopped are relative to the worry of getting stopped - so don’t worry. Crack on and get in bed with the wench rather than blubbering for two hours waiting to be picked up and still having to drive back or be driven back in silence.If I wanted nights out I would go back to tramping.
How do the company hide the mileage discrepencies?
Traffic Examiners reading this would dearly like to know.Any new drivers reading Honked’s method i suggest you ignore the advice given, you’ll be sacked immediately if the company wants to keep its O-licence and the conversation with the Traffic Commissioner should you get caught will be short and extremely unpleasant.
OK, we are all different just as employers are different. So to get back to the original question, they provide a sleeper cab but not the bedding. If no sleeper cab then book into a room and still grumble the following day as you have had to sleep out without the fluffy PJ’s and no toothbrush.
Or just drive home and service the wife.
war1974:
ROG:
If a driver has no legal option but to have a night out then that is what they do and the company picks up the tab for itIt would be deemed unreasonable if the driver booked into a 5 star hotel when a nice cheap B&B was also available and the company would be in its right not to pay the difference between the two
i worked with a lad at asda who had to night out at scotch corner, so and fair play to him. he books into the hotel, has a 3 course meal and a bottle of wine. get back to the yard and hands in the bill, never given a long run again, and they paid it.
Utter tosh.
Suedehead:
war1974:
ROG:
If a driver has no legal option but to have a night out then that is what they do and the company picks up the tab for itIt would be deemed unreasonable if the driver booked into a 5 star hotel when a nice cheap B&B was also available and the company would be in its right not to pay the difference between the two
i worked with a lad at asda who had to night out at scotch corner, so and fair play to him. he books into the hotel, has a 3 course meal and a bottle of wine. get back to the yard and hands in the bill, never given a long run again, and they paid it.
Utter tosh.
I agree. If I handed my boss a bill for a night out like that then I’d either get the sack or I’d be laughed out of the office. When my truck broke down in Kingston and I had to be towed out, the office had two choices, either book me into a hotel as the dealer closet won’t not let me sleep in the cab or have the truck towed all the back to the yard. Both days are a total write-off in terms of work too mind. The office chose to get me a hotel room, nothing fancy, just a bog standard room with a bathroom, as its their duty of care to provide you with decent sleeping arrangements if you are nighting out. Normally its the bed in the truck but that time I couldn’t use it so they had to book a hotel room but thats all they did. I still got my night out money but I had to buy my own food as our lot are tight and won’t pay meal allowances but thats a story for another day.
Suedehead:
war1974:
ROG:
If a driver has no legal option but to have a night out then that is what they do and the company picks up the tab for itIt would be deemed unreasonable if the driver booked into a 5 star hotel when a nice cheap B&B was also available and the company would be in its right not to pay the difference between the two
i worked with a lad at asda who had to night out at scotch corner, so and fair play to him. he books into the hotel, has a 3 course meal and a bottle of wine. get back to the yard and hands in the bill, never given a long run again, and they paid it.
Utter tosh.
Not necessarily, War mentioned “Asda”, companies like that are not your run of the mill haulier and different rules apply. Hell, when I was at ICI the lads would park up 20 miles shy of their home base at Billingham, ring a taxi to take them back to the depot, get a receipt, and claim for the taxi as well as their night out and it was paid without question every time.
boredwivdrivin:
My contract now doesnt mention doing ’ unexpected’ or ’ nights out’If i had to do 1 would this be breach of contract ?
It just says’ reasonable flexibility to meet needs of business ’
Compo ■■
In a word NO, because your not being reasonably flexible,simply because the Company requires you to night out to allow them to comply with the Law,not an unreasonable request
Always take care of yourself,be prepared take as much gear as you need e.g sleeping bag ,clothes,money,etc
So when it goes wrong and it Will 
your sorted 
No bunk = taxi & hotel.
Keep the boss informed tho and give them at least an hour to get things sorted…
It,s happened to me a few times ,MAKE THEM PAY …night out allowance,food ,parking ,hotel
Winters coming and you can bet the night heater will go on the blink…
the maoster:
Suedehead:
war1974:
ROG:
If a driver has no legal option but to have a night out then that is what they do and the company picks up the tab for itIt would be deemed unreasonable if the driver booked into a 5 star hotel when a nice cheap B&B was also available and the company would be in its right not to pay the difference between the two
i worked with a lad at asda who had to night out at scotch corner, so and fair play to him. he books into the hotel, has a 3 course meal and a bottle of wine. get back to the yard and hands in the bill, never given a long run again, and they paid it.
Utter tosh.
Not necessarily, War mentioned “Asda”, companies like that are not your run of the mill haulier and different rules apply. Hell, when I was at ICI the lads would park up 20 miles shy of their home base at Billingham, ring a taxi to take them back to the depot, get a receipt, and claim for the taxi as well as their night out and it was paid without question every time.
he 100% was paid for it. because we spent weeks ripping the ■■■■ out of him. trust me asda and supermarket work is far far away from your general haulage world.
we had a driver on tacho analysis for about 3 months as he was unable to drive due to an ingrowing toenail, a female driver who due to a medical issue couldn’t open or close curtains (yep I know) and could only work mon to fri because of this.
a union rep who came in for meetings sat 3 hours in them then went and done a 15 hour shift (this was stopped when he upset most of the workforce by turning down a 10% rise in favour of a better offer which ended up at 3%).
we had a driver on tacho analysis for about 3 months as he was unable to drive due to an ingrowing toenail, a female driver who due to a medical issue couldn’t open or close curtains (yep I know) and could only work mon to fri because of this.
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Precisely why companies are shutting the benevolent door as fast as they can, my lot have generous terms too and a ■■■■■■■■■ of blinkered idiots who take the ■■■■ can’t see where its going to end up the way they are going.
I know loads of natives moan about the East Europeans, compare the above with the Polish lad i saw several really early mornings recently making his way to work (i know where he works) on two crutches accompanied by his mates, put yourself in the employers shoes, who you going to want working for you? him or the two shining examples above.
Unexpected nights out are part of the job. I had a tail lift pack up in byker, Newcastle (not a pleasant place to be stuck) and had to night out in winter with only what I was wearing. Not ideal but things happen and i am still alive some years on.
One incident that annoyed me was that a mate ran out of duty time and a car was sent out. They brought a driver for the truck and left him at the side of the road. If that was me then they would have been given 3 options. Bring me back too, come and collect the trailer while I sleep in the unit or option 3 would be dont bother coming at all. Since they needed the load then option 3 wouldn’t be viable so I would refuse to leave the passenger seat. Dumping me and expecting me to pay for a taxi would not be happening!
Another mate ran out of duty time in a day cab rigid. He gave them several warnings and they told him to night out (day cab remember) which he chose not to do. He parked it in Glasgow and dropped the keys off after a train ride. He was banned for that
These days I carry a holdall in my car and regularly night out on Sundays whether planned or not. In winter I use a large Army Bergen which will take day stuff and night out kit
Juddian:
we had a driver on tacho analysis for about 3 months as he was unable to drive due to an ingrowing toenail, a female driver who due to a medical issue couldn’t open or close curtains (yep I know) and could only work mon to fri because of this.
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Precisely why companies are shutting the benevolent door as fast as they can, my lot have generous terms too and a ■■■■■■■■■ of blinkered idiots who take the ■■■■ can’t see where its going to end up the way they are going.
I know loads of natives moan about the East Europeans, compare the above with the Polish lad i saw several really early mornings recently making his way to work (i know where he works) on two crutches accompanied by his mates, put yourself in the employers shoes, who you going to want working for you? him or the two shining examples above.
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I totally agree with what you say, every company has them and its wrong as when people have a genuine reason and need assistance they get short shrift.
I know driving a firms’ van back to depot is working time, but what if you take the firms’ van straight home? Or in my case, you have a firms’ van, does driving to and from work in it count as working time? I don’t think it does unless I did something work related like collecting spares from Daf or dropping off invoices.
Muckaway:
I know driving a firms’ van back to depot is working time, but what if you take the firms’ van straight home? Or in my case, you have a firms’ van, does driving to and from work in it count as working time? I don’t think it does unless I did something work related like collecting spares from Daf or dropping off invoices.
If you mean driving a company van from home to your usual place of work, or vice versa, then no that’s not working time.
Travelling to or from work is only working time if the vehicle you’re going to drive in-scope of EU regulations is not at your home or usual place of work.