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The-Snowman:

Carryfast:
There’s no doubt that we’re not talking about an ‘asylum’ issue.‘Asylum seekers’ don’t need to travel across Europe to get here crossing numerous ‘safe’ countries on route.Nor go to all the trouble of trying to enter here illegally when according to that example the EU has supposedly signed an agreement which makes it easier to be accepted in any of the numerous safe countries throughout Europe.Nor is ‘Europe’ the only safe place where Middle East or African etc etc ‘asylum seekers’ could find ‘safety’.

The fact is it is all about the supply and demand situation of economic migrants from poorer countries and a cheap labour and Socialist pro immigration agenda here which is only too pleased to accept them.Which is why we are seeing the diversionary red herring of blaming the situation on ‘border controls’.When the pro immigration agenda knows that the issue is all about the virtual guarantee of all/any immigrants being allowed to stay here if/when they get here,regardless of how they get here.Which is why they keep trying to get in,because they know if they can get here they can stay. :imp: :unamused:

Because the UK didnt sign whatever it was the other EU countries signed,they cant claim asylum in the UK if they want to get here legally. So they need to get here illegaly. And because our system is faster and much more generous than all the other countries,thats why they are so desperate to get here and why they cross dozens of safe countries to get to the UK. And once they ARE here on British soil,it takes legal action to get rid of them
But thanks to guys like BKing and the bleeding heart left wing guardian readers,it’ll probably never change. Their so convinced that the problem is the arrogant west who bomb all the other countries that we need to open our doors to all and sundry. :unamused:

Firstly regardless of any issue of any EU ‘deal’ we do have a system of asylum here.While,being an Island surrounded by numerous other ‘safe’ countries,real ‘asylum seekers’ aren’t going to need to arrive here by land and sea on an illegal immigration basis such as hidden in trucks and containers.

Nor do we need to be picking up and/or letting in what are clearly illegal economic migrants trying to use the Mediterranean route in.When ‘if’ they were real ‘asylum seekers’ there are numerous ‘safe’ countries in the areas they’ve departed from such as Egypt and other North African countries considered ‘safe’ enough to be holiday destinations for us.In which case the same obvious question applies why aren’t they being sent back from where they came.Instead of being allowed to stay and/or even helped to get here . :bulb:

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switchlogic:

peirre:

TJ82:
I resent those remarks totally. They do the job to the best of their abilities under difficult circumstances sometimes.

In other words, they’re overworked, understaffed, & underpaid :unamused:
And … Useless

On a slightly different note, I’d love to see those boats from North Africa towed back to North Africa. Or if they’re picked up by a merchant or military ship, the ship heads to a port in North Africa and drops em off, putting the migrants back where they started.
The look on their faces when they realise they’re back where they started would be priceless, & if they refused to get off the ship, give em a may west & a pair of water wings & let em swim ashore.
If this policy was adopted I’d imagine word would get around and the migrant boats would stop coming

The problem is as a captain said on radio this week if you’ve taken on hundreds of these people onto your ship and they realise they are heading back to Africa it puts the crews security at serious risk. They are in a very difficult situation

Absolute bs.When as we know they are also being picked up by our military/naval ships,and then brought to Italy.So let me guess the naval Captain was so scared of the security of his ship Cameron ordered him to pick them up and then to be brought to Italy.No doubt for ongoing ‘transfer’ here by whatever means.Bearing in mind that a naval ship isn’t going to be short of a few weapons to keep order while we take them back to where they set off from. :unamused:

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switchlogic:

rigsby:
if the truck drivers are fined for illegal immigrants , why are the border agency fined for those found within the country . if they could be bothered to move their idle arses and do what they are paid to do most of the illegal immigrants wouldn’t be here .

I don’t think it’s their fault. Its more to do with the fact you can’t check every truck. If you did busy ports would just become impossible. A line always has to be drawn somewhere

It’s more a case of the country being totally lost to a united pro immigration agenda of bleeding heart Socialism,combined with the demand for cheap labour and the immigrant vote that makes the deportation word unacceptable.IE the issue has nothing to do with border controls and everything to do with the fact that we don’t send them back,with immediate effect,without right of appeal, when they are found.

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I suspect most of the above are hypocritical labour party voters, whose government was primarily responsible for deliberately starting mass migration into the UK.
Twisted ideological ■■■■■■■■ should not be allowed to control our country. Not only have labour cocked up our economy, as all previous Labour governments have done, but they have left a legacy that will steadily erode all that was ever good about GB. Is there no end to their recurring stupidity when in office?

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Janos:
I suspect most of the above are hypocritical labour party voters, whose government was primarily responsible for deliberately starting mass migration into the UK.
Twisted ideological [zb] should not be allowed to control our country. Not only have labour cocked up our economy, as all previous Labour governments have done, but they have left a legacy that will steadily erode all that was ever good about GB. Is there no end to their recurring stupidity when in office?

To be fair the Cons have never exactly been the last word in anti immigration policy.The only difference being mainly the respective motivation.That being,mostly,Socialist ideology in the case of Labour and cheap labour in the case of the Cons.As proved by the fact that we’ve now got a majority Con government that is actually using the Navy/MOD as a sub contract immigration trafficking scam to bring even more immigrants in.On that note I’m guessing that you’ve forgotten about Powell being kicked out of the Con Party partly because of his anti immigration position. :unamused:

On that note it is possible to be either ‘Labour’ or Conservative but the key being a Nationalist outlook,or not,in either case. :bulb:

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there’s 2 not coming over from calais this week ,I heard 2 got run over who were doing a road block.

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TJ82:

rigsby:
if the truck drivers are fined for illegal immigrants , why are the border agency fined for those found within the country . if they could be bothered to move their idle arses and do what they are paid to do most of the illegal immigrants wouldn’t be here .

My brother works for border force at HIP and I have worked there myself in various capacities, I resent those remarks totally. They do the job to the best of their abilities under difficult circumstances sometimes.

The thing is - what they want to do or need to do - is where the use of “illegal” suddenly gets found again.

Most of us have nothing against legal immigrants - but would like to see a draconian policy put in place against the illegal immigrants.
…Perhaps “shoot on sight” for instance… :unamused:

At the end of the day, it’s the EU that has abolished the death penalty, the EU that says we must let convicted murderers into the country, and the EU that dictates that we have to put up with all their bullcrap forever and ever amen.

Now compare “destroying from within” which the EU is doing to us, to “destroyed from above” that Germany tried to do to us in two world wars…

We’re already at war with common-sense Britain vs Politically Correct EU.
We can’t stop it - let alone win it - unless we start fighting back.
Cameron pulling us out of the so-called “human rights” treaty would have at least made a start - but no.

It’s quite plain he wants to take Britain, blindfolded, to the peg whilst he leaves office in 2020 to get a plum job somewhere abroad.
Since the British People were taken in by the election compaign based on “vote for your nice local Tory candidate” rather than “do anything to get keep the Europhiles OUT” we must also consider that the big misleading thing Cameron has done - is suggest that “the only choice you have with the EU is given to you via the Conservative Majority”…
Well… That’s already started to “not happen” hasn’t it? :imp:

Cameron quietly drops the introduction of a British bill of rights, and tells us all that he’ll be campaigning in any referendum for the UK to “Stay In”…
What chance that we’re even going to be asked the right question on the ballot paper then?
I fear a result similar to Scotland last year… Status quo by a small margin. Huge public resentment will also follow - but what the hell? - The EU says all objectors are to be called Racist bigots, and the narrow “In” result presents no need whatsoever to placate those 45% (as in the case of Scotland) who voted “Out”.

The Scots could vent their anger by getting behind the SNP. What do WE get if we “lose” the EU referendum? - apart from more debt, less wages, a stagnant housing market forever, and the prospect of a private income (such as a retirement pension) that becomes more and more out of reach?

This referendum - if it ever occurs - is going to be INCREDIBLY divisive in a “them and us” kind of way. Your boss will want IN - YOU as underling will want OUT.
Some employers might even threaten to close down if they can’t continue to suppress wages with cheap ongoing labour… No one has even considered the idea yet that an OUT vote will merely close the door - and have little effect on those already here from abroad. If they are working, there’s nowt needing to be done after all!

Workers should not fear voting for an “OUT” in the EU referendum as they have become fearful of Voting Labour in general elections since the credit crunch.

For current and future immigrants both legal and illegal however… have the current daft systems being discussed with regards to “how long should one wait to qualify for benefits”…

"No benefits for 3 months? … 6 months? … 2 years?..

  • That still means it’s worth an illegal coming here and just hanging around in the black economy - until that time has passed, and they DO qualify.

A better system would be to deny all immigrants a tax code as well as any benefits whatsoever. Everyone pays into the system for some years before being entitled to anything back - just like any of us would be presented to as a “deal” from the financial industry.

Merely hoping that enough immigrants paying net into the system will come (you need to earn more than £66k before being disqualified from all benefits) means hoping that out of every hundred new arrivals - 33 are going to be dentists, 33 plumbers, and 33 mechanics - to pay for that 100th guy who’s here to claim our benefits, never work for a profit to the excheqeur, pork our women, break our laws, and only go home when the system letting him do that is exhausted.

The EU should have sorted out all these people whilst they were still on the mediterranean coast - NOT funnel them through to Pas de Calais for an “deliberately encouraged immigration to Britain”.

We can’t stop it unless we leave the EU and all the political-correct bull that goes with it.

God help us if we’re much longer staying in it… If we don’t get the option to leave peacefully - “peace in our time” won’t be happening either.
What happens if in another ten years - Sharia Law is voted in with a majority for example?

It’ll be too late to realize that “Democracy” hasn’t only failed - it’s now being used to destroy us with.

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Carryfast:

switchlogic:

peirre:

TJ82:
I resent those remarks totally. They do the job to the best of their abilities under difficult circumstances sometimes.

In other words, they’re overworked, understaffed, & underpaid :unamused:
And … Useless

On a slightly different note, I’d love to see those boats from North Africa towed back to North Africa. Or if they’re picked up by a merchant or military ship, the ship heads to a port in North Africa and drops em off, putting the migrants back where they started.
The look on their faces when they realise they’re back where they started would be priceless, & if they refused to get off the ship, give em a may west & a pair of water wings & let em swim ashore.
If this policy was adopted I’d imagine word would get around and the migrant boats would stop coming

The problem is as a captain said on radio this week if you’ve taken on hundreds of these people onto your ship and they realise they are heading back to Africa it puts the crews security at serious risk. They are in a very difficult situation

Absolute bs.When as we know they are also being picked up by our military/naval ships,and then brought to Italy.So let me guess the naval Captain was so scared of the security of his ship Cameron ordered him to pick them up and then to be brought to Italy.No doubt for ongoing ‘transfer’ here by whatever means.Bearing in mind that a naval ship isn’t going to be short of a few weapons to keep order while we take them back to where they set off from. :unamused:

Yup. That’s what I was talking about. Well crewed navy ships armed to the hilt. I’m being sarcastic by the way. Your being a bit dim if you think I was talking about navy shops old bean. Sometimes you should stop being blinded by your own eagerness to launch another rant and think about what your reading before you post

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switchlogic:
Yup. That’s what I was talking about. Well crewed navy ships armed to the hilt. I’m being sarcastic by the way. Your being a bit dim if you think I was talking about navy shops old bean. Sometimes you should stop being blinded by your own eagerness to launch another rant and think about what your reading before you post

I’d say that it’s you who isn’t exactly bright if you don’t think that the idea of Brit naval vessels,picking up illegal immigrants from the Med and helping them to get here,doesn’t shoot down the bs argument that ‘ships’ are helping in such illegal immigrant activeties.Because their crews are supposedly ‘scared’ to take them back to where they started out on the crossing. :unamused:

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Christ. Do I have to spell it out for you. It was a captain of a merchant ship. A ship that carries goods. A merchant ship. Often with no more than twelve crew. I belive they are called merchant ships. A captain from a merchant ship. The ones who carry goods. On Radio 4. You know. The merchant ships captain. That’s what I was talking about. Merchant ships. Wake up old chap. Merchant ships.

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Carryfast:
I’d say that it’s you who isn’t exactly bright

+1, I’ve often wondered why he wades into threads when he doesn’t have a clue what people are talking about.

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Winseer:
The thing is - what they want to do or need to do - is where the use of “illegal” suddenly gets found again.

Most of us have nothing against legal immigrants - but would like to see a draconian policy put in place against the illegal immigrants.
…Perhaps “shoot on sight” for instance… :unamused:

At the end of the day, it’s the EU that has abolished the death penalty, the EU that says we must let convicted murderers into the country, and the EU that dictates that we have to put up with all their bullcrap forever and ever amen.

Now compare “destroying from within” which the EU is doing to us, to “destroyed from above” that Germany tried to do to us in two world wars…

We’re already at war with common-sense Britain vs Politically Correct EU.
We can’t stop it - let alone win it - unless we start fighting back.
Cameron pulling us out of the so-called “human rights” treaty would have at least made a start - but no.

It’s quite plain he wants to take Britain, blindfolded, to the peg whilst he leaves office in 2020 to get a plum job somewhere abroad.
Since the British People were taken in by the election compaign based on “vote for your nice local Tory candidate” rather than “do anything to get keep the Europhiles OUT” we must also consider that the big misleading thing Cameron has done - is suggest that “the only choice you have with the EU is given to you via the Conservative Majority”…
Well… That’s already started to “not happen” hasn’t it? :imp:

Cameron quietly drops the introduction of a British bill of rights, and tells us all that he’ll be campaigning in any referendum for the UK to “Stay In”…
What chance that we’re even going to be asked the right question on the ballot paper then?
I fear a result similar to Scotland last year… Status quo by a small margin. Huge public resentment will also follow - but what the hell? - The EU says all objectors are to be called Racist bigots, and the narrow “In” result presents no need whatsoever to placate those 45% (as in the case of Scotland) who voted “Out”.

The Scots could vent their anger by getting behind the SNP. What do WE get if we “lose” the EU referendum? - apart from more debt, less wages, a stagnant housing market forever, and the prospect of a private income (such as a retirement pension) that becomes more and more out of reach?

This referendum - if it ever occurs - is going to be INCREDIBLY divisive in a “them and us” kind of way. Your boss will want IN - YOU as underling will want OUT.
Some employers might even threaten to close down if they can’t continue to suppress wages with cheap ongoing labour… No one has even considered the idea yet that an OUT vote will merely close the door - and have little effect on those already here from abroad. If they are working, there’s nowt needing to be done after all!

Workers should not fear voting for an “OUT” in the EU referendum as they have become fearful of Voting Labour in general elections since the credit crunch.

For current and future immigrants both legal and illegal however… have the current daft systems being discussed with regards to “how long should one wait to qualify for benefits”…

"No benefits for 3 months? … 6 months? … 2 years?..

  • That still means it’s worth an illegal coming here and just hanging around in the black economy - until that time has passed, and they DO qualify.

A better system would be to deny all immigrants a tax code as well as any benefits whatsoever. Everyone pays into the system for some years before being entitled to anything back - just like any of us would be presented to as a “deal” from the financial industry.

Merely hoping that enough immigrants paying net into the system will come (you need to earn more than £66k before being disqualified from all benefits) means hoping that out of every hundred new arrivals - 33 are going to be dentists, 33 plumbers, and 33 mechanics - to pay for that 100th guy who’s here to claim our benefits, never work for a profit to the excheqeur, pork our women, break our laws, and only go home when the system letting him do that is exhausted.

The EU should have sorted out all these people whilst they were still on the mediterranean coast - NOT funnel them through to Pas de Calais for an “deliberately encouraged immigration to Britain”.

We can’t stop it unless we leave the EU and all the political-correct bull that goes with it.

God help us if we’re much longer staying in it… If we don’t get the option to leave peacefully - “peace in our time” won’t be happening either.
What happens if in another ten years - Sharia Law is voted in with a majority for example?

It’ll be too late to realize that “Democracy” hasn’t only failed - it’s now being used to destroy us with.

Firstly does an area the size of the British Isles which is already populated to a level of 60,000,000+ ‘need’ ‘any’ more immigration.Especially bearing in mind the fact that the ‘immigrant’ communities in question seem to already be in the business of localised concentrated populations mostly in the South East/London.While the hypocrites amongst the so called pro immigration agenda in the extreme west and north seem to make sure that they keep their own areas insulated from the results of their own policies in that regard.Thereby stoking up even further, the potential future ‘issues’,of localised immigrant majorities eventually discovering the idea of self determination.

As for the EU our own government hasn’t exactly covered itself in glory regarding the immigration issue even before we ever joined the EU.While the idea that ‘most of us’ ‘have nothing against’ yet more immigration legal or illegal is just pandering to the pro immigration agenda that you are supposedly arguing against.IE enough is enough the boat is full.On that note ironically the success of Parties like the French FN,amongst others around Europe,suggests that Europe isn’t exactly the soft touch that you’re painting it as and probably less so than the historic pro immigration agenda here.Which probably explains why immigrants are queuing up to get here from France and not vice versa. :bulb:

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switchlogic:
Christ. Do I have to spell it out for you. It was a captain of a merchant ship. A ship that carries goods. A merchant ship. Often with no more than twelve crew. I belive they are called merchant ships. A captain from a merchant ship. The ones who carry goods. On Radio 4. You know. The merchant ships captain. That’s what I was talking about. Merchant ships. Wake up old chap. Merchant ships.

Many have gone before you. Many have failed. You may as well be speaking Swahili :grimacing:

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Tell im Luke!! :smiley:

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switchlogic:
Christ. Do I have to spell it out for you. It was a captain of a merchant ship. A ship that carries goods. A merchant ship. Often with no more than twelve crew. I belive they are called merchant ships. A captain from a merchant ship. The ones who carry goods. On Radio 4. You know. The merchant ships captain. That’s what I was talking about. Merchant ships. Wake up old chap. Merchant ships.

Yes the Captain of a merchant ship who you believe brought them in because he is supposedly ‘scared’ of the consequences of taking them back.Which ‘might’ have been believable ‘until’ we find that Brit naval ( military ) ( armed to the teeth ) ships are doing exactly the same thing.IE helping illegal immigrants ( and obviously also by the Captain’s so called ‘fears’ potential terrorists/pirates etc etc ) to get here rather than taking them back at gunpoint if needed. :bulb: :unamused:

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Freight Dog:

switchlogic:
Christ. Do I have to spell it out for you. It was a captain of a merchant ship. A ship that carries goods. A merchant ship. Often with no more than twelve crew. I belive they are called merchant ships. A captain from a merchant ship. The ones who carry goods. On Radio 4. You know. The merchant ships captain. That’s what I was talking about. Merchant ships. Wake up old chap. Merchant ships.

Many have gone before you. Many have failed. You may as well be speaking Swahili :grimacing:

So in plain English feel free to explain why a Brit naval vessel Captain would ‘also’ pick up and then choose to help get here,rather than take back,any illegal immigrants found in the Med. :unamused:

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Carryfast:

switchlogic:
Christ. Do I have to spell it out for you. It was a captain of a merchant ship. A ship that carries goods. A merchant ship. Often with no more than twelve crew. I belive they are called merchant ships. A captain from a merchant ship. The ones who carry goods. On Radio 4. You know. The merchant ships captain. That’s what I was talking about. Merchant ships. Wake up old chap. Merchant ships.

Yes the Captain of a merchant ship who you believe brought them in because he is supposedly ‘scared’ of the consequences of taking them back.Which ‘might’ have been believable ‘until’ we find that Brit naval ( military ) ( armed to the teeth ) ships are doing exactly the same thing.IE helping illegal immigrants ( and obviously also by the Captain’s so called ‘fears’ potential terrorists/pirates etc etc ) to get here rather than taking them back at gunpoint if needed. :bulb: :unamused:

I may as well bash my head against a brick wall as try and tell you anything. I apologise for trying to add something I heard from the radio to the debate. I forgot, Carryfast knows all. Everything is black and white in the old Carryfast world.

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switchlogic:
I may as well bash my head against a brick wall as try and tell you anything. I apologise for trying to add something I heard from the radio to the debate. I forgot, Carryfast knows all. Everything is black and white in the old Carryfast world.

I wasn’t arguing about anything ‘you said’.My comments were directed at the ‘credibility’ ‘of the idea’ that the illegal immigrants are being taken to Italy.Instead of being returned to North Africa because of the fear of them kicking off.In which case the fact that military ships are ‘also’ doing the same suggests that idea is bs. :bulb:

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No, you never listen and you only belive what you want. Beside the definition of ignorant is a picture of you. Well it would be, if you actually had the balls to put your own face to your opinions. But you don’t. So hey ho

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So we’ll give the Captain of the ‘merchant ship’ the benefit of the doubt.How would that bastion of the anti immigration cause the BBC explain how the Navy is ‘also’ bringing in illegal immigrants to Italy rather than taking them back.Bearing in mind that Cameron gives the orders. :unamused: