internetfan:
If he does so many hours over the 48hrs limit than he should be getting something like 8-12hrs off, at the end of his 26 weeks reference period, for every week he has been working.
That would mean he would have an extra 2-3 weeks of time off (holiday) at the end of his 26 weeks reference period.
Thanks
Yes he would have a holiday, although it would be an unpaid one as a weeks paid holiday counts as a 48 hour working week.
i understand that they canāt pay you as then your working so that means being stood down without pay.
Time off work only count towards the average 48 hour week if itās part of the 4 weeks statutory holiday mentioned in article 13 of the working time regulations 1998, or if itās maternity/paternity leave or time off sick.
Otherwise the time off can be used to reduce the average week regardless of whether youāre paid or not.
am having the same disagreement with my company 8 months ago if we had completed all jobs for the day they would send us home but now we have to stay until our shift has finished which could be 3 hours now were going to be close for our 48 hour average no one listens to my views
allport johnnyb:
am having the same disagreement with my company 8 months ago if we had completed all jobs for the day they would send us home but now we have to stay until our shift has finished which could be 3 hours now were going to be close for our 48 hour average no one listens to my views
This thing of having to sit in the canteen for 3/4/5 hrs to make your hours up to the guaranteed hours your paid does my head in,itās just so pointless,youāve done the work they planned for you,thereās nothing else available so whatās the point in making the driver sit there getting more wound up by the minute,just sign him up for his guaranteed hours ,let him go home and get a few hours shut eye( he started midnight) then when you want a favour he will do it,not tell you to zb off
It also makes me laugh when they ask you to sweep the yard,clean etc,NO Iām employed as a truck driver not a bloody cleaner,Iām going asleep.
That said our completely changed there change this week and signed me up for two day for 10.5 hrs per day,both 5 hr shifts ,then I got 3x15 hrs+ a 13 hr shift,I didnāt complain once about those shifts honest
allport johnnyb:
am having the same disagreement with my company 8 months ago if we had completed all jobs for the day they would send us home but now we have to stay until our shift has finished which could be 3 hours now were going to be close for our 48 hour average no one listens to my views
those last 3 hours should be recorded as break or poaā¦so wont count towards your average.
So this morning Iām issued with a letter telling me I am over my 48 hr WTD hours and if I do not rectify the situation I will be put through company procedure( Iām guessing they mean disciplinary procedure ), long list of when I should be putting mode on poa,but the jist is I have to keep under 48 hrs hours whatever.I handed back letter and said I wasnāt accepting it a.f.a.i.a.k Iām doing the job Iām given 100% legal and can do no more than Iām doing!the content of the work is the problem?I brought up the fact the manager had said if I canāt keep my hours within 48 hr WTD he would manage them,and now with the threat of company procedure looming heād obviously failed to keep my hours within 48 hrs WTD so was he being put through procedure as well ,it was left at that.
When I arrived back I was called to the upstairs office( me expecting it too go off big time,Iāve had enough ) only to be asked can I help them out and work o/t this week ,I told the bloke straight,your threatening me with company procedure for averaging over 48 hrs WTD in the morning,then asking me if I can work o/t in the afternoon,are you on a bloody wind up .
No look your not understanding what going on ( your not bloody kidding ).
Your falling foul of the 48 WTD on the stobart system( gts) ,stobarts have offered all the information to vosa,and vosa can view it through gets,so your 48 hr WTD has to be correct on stobarts systems of working ,at the moment your not achieving that.
But donāt worry ,legally your fine( aye), if we look at your WTD hours taken off of your taco graph card your actually averaging 43.5 hrs over the last 17 weeks( I think he said 17 week,my brain was hurting by now).
So your fine to work o/t this weekend and fine to continue to do so,were also not going to change the content of your work from shop deliveries to chilled( I asked for that to get more break/ poa in),you will continue to do shop deliveries.
Legally your fine,itās just if vosa view your WTD hours through gets your not,you just need to work on this.
Iāve never in all my days been so bloody confused,Iām legal but not with vosa if they view my hours through gts,they want me too cut my WTD hours,but when I suggest I wonāt work any o/t they say no Iām fine to work it,the work Iām doing is taking me over the WTD on stobarts system but itās not if you take it off my tacho,ā ā ā ā ā ā letter telling me Iām being put through procedure but in the afternoon Iām fine to work o/t even though itās going to put my WTD up on there system.
And they say truck driving is such a easy ,stress free profession,it was
dozy:
So this morning Iām issued with a letter telling me I am over my 48 hr WTD hours and if I do not rectify the situation I will be put through company procedure( Iām guessing they mean disciplinary procedure ), long list of when I should be putting mode on poa,but the jist is I have to keep under 48 hrs hours whatever.I handed back letter and said I wasnāt accepting it a.f.a.i.a.k Iām doing the job Iām given 100% legal and can do no more than Iām doing!the content of the work is the problem?I brought up the fact the manager had said if I canāt keep my hours within 48 hr WTD he would manage them,and now with the threat of company procedure looming heād obviously failed to keep my hours within 48 hrs WTD so was he being put through procedure as well ,it was left at that.
When I arrived back I was called to the upstairs office( me expecting it too go off big time,Iāve had enough ) only to be asked can I help them out and work o/t this week ,I told the bloke straight,your threatening me with company procedure for averaging over 48 hrs WTD in the morning,then asking me if I can work o/t in the afternoon,are you on a bloody wind up .
No look your not understanding what going on ( your not bloody kidding ).
Your falling foul of the 48 WTD on the stobart system( gts) ,stobarts have offered all the information to vosa,and vosa can view it through gets,so your 48 hr WTD has to be correct on stobarts systems of working ,at the moment your not achieving that.
But donāt worry ,legally your fine( aye), if we look at your WTD hours taken off of your taco graph card your actually averaging 43.5 hrs over the last 17 weeks( I think he said 17 week,my brain was hurting by now).
So your fine to work o/t this weekend and fine to continue to do so,were also not going to change the content of your work from shop deliveries to chilled( I asked for that to get more break/ poa in),you will continue to do shop deliveries.
Legally your fine,itās just if vosa view your WTD hours through gets your not,you just need to work on this.
Iāve never in all my days been so bloody confused,Iām legal but not with vosa if they view my hours through gts,they want me too cut my WTD hours,but when I suggest I wonāt work any o/t they say no Iām fine to work it,the work Iām doing is taking me over the WTD on stobarts system but itās not if you take it off my tacho,[zb] letter telling me Iām being put through procedure but in the afternoon Iām fine to work o/t even though itās going to put my WTD up on there system.
And they say truck driving is such a easy ,stress free profession,it was
If i was you iād be keeping every memo and letter they sent me in a big file folder, just incase.
internetfan:
OK, so āa friend of mineā works for a company that pushes him to work up to the limit of 60 hrs per week every week.
They apparently, have a workplace agreement that extends reference period from 17 to 26 weeks.
If 48 per week rule is enforceable and something to be taken seriously than he should be getting a few days off at the end of his 26 weeks reference period as he regulary does 55, 57, 59, 60 hrs every week, not including POAs, this is only driving and other work.
He would love to work less per week, but heās got no choice as he is being pushed to max hours .
If he does so many hours over the 48hrs limit than he should be getting something like 8-12hrs off, at the end of his 26 weeks reference period, for every week he has been working.
That would mean he would have an extra 2-3 weeks of time off (holiday) at the end of his 26 weeks reference period.
Thatās if the 48 hrs average per week rule is enforceable and he hopes it is, as he is on weekly/monthly wage, a and not paid per hour, so the more hours he works the less he gets paid per hour.
honest 
) only to be asked can I help them out and work o/t this week 
