muckles:
I’m not going to argue the right or wrongs, but as somebody who can run on a Sunday in France I’ve noticed a change in spaces in service areas on a weekend. Last year you struggled to park, with every truck space, spade behind them and even the slip roads, car parking and space near the pumps being used for parking. This year since the French said they’ll be enforcing this the same service areas have spare spaces to park.
I assume the French and Belgium authorities or other in the country have had enough of trucks park all over the place for days at a time or the unions have enough of thier haulage companies using East European traction and have put pressure on the government.
I don’t know if its being enforced in the UK, unlike France and Belgium there hasn’t been any notification.
Whilst there are more spaces in the service areas, those that used to park there must be somewhere (most likely Holland and Dover atm? ), and even if all those taking a 45hr break go to a hotel/B&B, where are those Hotels/B&Bs that have adequate parking (nearby), to accommodate all those camions?
Have a look outside sealane in Dover most of them are there.
I assume the French and Belgium authorities or other in the country have had enough of trucks park all over the place for days at a time or the unions have enough of thier haulage companies using East European traction and have put pressure on the government.
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As for not needing sleeper cabs, the regulations state that a daily and reduced weekly rest period can be taken in a vehicle provided it has suitable sleeping facilities. And I think the vast majority of drivers, especially UK based, will only ever have a daily rest period in a cab, comparatively very few will have a reduced weekly rest let alone a full weekly rest in cab.
I dont think that trucks on British plates will get much bother, because it is comparatively rare for Brits to weekend out. It would be good if they got stuck in to the Euros, parked in the services etc, for days on end. Although that seems to be less of a problem than it used to be… what happened to Willi Betz?
There is still far too many talibahn trucks in the uk, still most industrial estates and MSA’s are full of them,the thing that boils my ■■■■ whith them is they don’t park in designated spaces they just abandon their camions where they can, blocking through routes or access to the fuel pumps, the services outside the eurotunnel in france being the worst place i’ve encountered and that is almost 24/7 and the owners of these MSA’s allow them to keep on doing this,by doing nothing about it,
As for us british drivers taking 45’s in the truck, i would think that this has been few and far between for some time, as there are a lot of companies who do not pay drivers when on a weekly rest reduced or otherwise, many are only paying night out allowance so many drivers would refuse to do it if they ain’t getting paid
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
not in English law it isn’t. Your Common Laws only prohibits certain acts and actions , and therefore allows you to do anything that is not expressly forbidden by statue. As long as you allow English law to apply here…
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
not in English law it isn’t. Your Common Laws only prohibits certain acts and actions , and therefore allows you to do anything that is not expressly forbidden by statue. As long as you allow English law to apply here…
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
not in English law it isn’t. Your Common Laws only prohibits certain acts and actions , and therefore allows you to do anything that is not expressly forbidden by statue. As long as you allow English law to apply here…
But we are running to EU though.
EU rules in EU are one thing, but why do we have to put up with them here? If you dont run on the continent , why should you be ■■■■■■ by the same rules??
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
not in English law it isn’t. Your Common Laws only prohibits certain acts and actions , and therefore allows you to do anything that is not expressly forbidden by statue. As long as you allow English law to apply here…
But we are running to EU though.
EU rules in EU are one thing, but why do we have to put up with them here? If you dont run on the continent , why should you be [zb] by the same rules??
probably because uk is in Europe and uk
is a fully paid up member of the European union
geography was not your strong point at school was it
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
not in English law it isn’t. Your Common Laws only prohibits certain acts and actions , and therefore allows you to do anything that is not expressly forbidden by statue. As long as you allow English law to apply here…
But we are running to EU though.
EU rules in EU are one thing, but why do we have to put up with them here? If you dont run on the continent , why should you be [zb] by the same rules??
probably because uk is in Europe and uk
is part of the European union
geography was not your strong point at school was it
Mischien niet. Mischien ben ik al wat te lang in Engeland geweest. Maar Aardrijkskunde heeft niks met een lands wet te maken.
sayersy:
I don’t think it is an omission, just clever legal wording. The law tells you what you must do, and anything not mentioned is what you must not do. Its like daily rest, the law says you must have 11 or 9 off, so from that we know you mustn’t work more than 13 or 15…but it doesn’t actually say you can’t.
So if you keep taking this to the “n’th” degree, the regs say that you must take a 45 break after 4.5 hours driving, but don’t state where it can/ can’t be taken. Working on the " clever legal wording" theory, does this then mean that you cannot take a 45 in your cab?
Just a thought…
No it means you can take a break anywhere as no restrictions have been specified.
In the case of rest periods in the cab the type that are allowed to be taken in the vehicle has been clearly stated and therefore any not stated cannot be taken in the cab. It’s nothing to do with omission or clever legal wording. It’s basic English and applies to many things in all walks of life when in a given situation what is permitted is listed and anything not listed is not allowed.
not in English law it isn’t. Your Common Laws only prohibits certain acts and actions , and therefore allows you to do anything that is not expressly forbidden by statue. As long as you allow English law to apply here…
But we are running to EU though.
EU rules in EU are one thing, but why do we have to put up with them here? If you dont run on the continent , why should you be [zb] by the same rules??
probably because uk is in Europe and uk
is part of the European union
geography was not your strong point at school was it
Mischien niet. Mischien ben ik al wat te lang in Engeland geweest. Maar Aardrijkskunde heeft niks met een lands wet te maken.
obviously English language was another of your weak points too
