2 weeks later still waiting for my Royal Mail assessment

I know someone that left a supermarket job not long ago to go full-time with RM.
He left after 2 weeks because they stuck him on reserve duties but had promised him a particular 4 shift week when he took the job.

This is not how Royal Mail work. He wouldn’t have been offered a particular duty. When you start, you are on the bottom rung and he would end up as a reserve or in a bad set. As the years go by you start to climb the ladder.
To get a half decent set you would need over 30 years service as the set’s are picked on seniority.
The work is getting harder. I started on delivery as a young lad and that has changed beyond recognition. It is by far the hardest job within Royal Mail.
The CWU does get some stick but I believe they do a good job. They’re getting OPG’S down to a 35 hour week, with us getting an extra hour’s pay per week. We have just received our second hour’s pay which is pensionable and goes up with our annual pay rise.
Our pay is now £18.12 p/h basic, which includes the 2 hour’s. I can’t complain. Our T’s and C’s are still good. The only problem is the pension, I will have at least four different ones with Royal Mail when I retire, as a new CDC pension is about to come in next year.
I will admit, we do moan an awful lot but do stick together. With around 120,000 of us in the CWU we do have a voice.

toonsy:
Problem with your “advice” Winseer is that it applies only to you.

Essentially what you’re saying is don’t try and work your hours around your family.

Don’t take holiday in the summer when the kids might be off etc etc.

What a handsome household.

I couldn’t get holidays in months like August anyways, as I wasn’t senior enough to get such holidays.

Rather than book odd days in peak holiday season, such as the friday before a bank holiday weekend for instance, I’d rather work them, pick up the cushy duty of the senior guy who’s on leave, and then take my own holidays in places like Egypt where it doesn’t matter if you go in November or February, actually rather better if you do for such places.

What I’ve been saying here is that for decades - it wasn’t possible to pick and choose “family friendly” ANYTHING at work, due to the old-fashioned seniority system, enforced by the Union. The overtime allocation system was based around “Aggregate” so that the senior drivers, many of whom would not touch overtime - would cherry pick the plumb overpaid premium jobs, like New Year’s Eve for instance, where you seem to be saying that there are loads of people who’d lose money taking that night off, just to ■■■■ it up the wall somewhere, and have to sleep off new year’s day as well, unfit to come to work and do some double bubble even if they wanted to by that point…

Yes, it is true I’ve been accused of being rather “Money Orientated” in the past. The alternative though? Are you truly telling me that most working class drivers that you AND I come from - “don’t care about money - we’ve got our working pride” kind of argument, where you’d rather have a solid job @ low pay, rather than a fly-by-night job @ top dollar, rather take your holidays when flights are double the price, try to get overtime when there ain’t any, and end up retiring without a pot to ■■■■ in as well?

Again, if you are telling me that 99% of people are like the latter, and only 1% like myself - then it might explain a lot as to why people like me are so unpopular in the unionized workplace in particular… My practices are anything BUT “Dodgy”. They are just making use of the system as it is designed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now years later, I have a brainbox kid who’s now at University reading Physics. It isn’t as if I never had any time at home with my family, because if you can earn the same on nights as it takes half as many more hours on days to earn - who’s the daftest to their family there - really?

The 99% would be working 07:00-19:00, Monday-Friday, spending their money on unnecessarily flashy cars, holidays at peak cost, and ■■■■■■■ up the wall the rest… A lot of them - never got around to HAVING a family, let alone spending quality time with them over the past couple of decades like I did…

Am I really “not like most people”?

Winseer:
I couldn’t get holidays in months like August anyways, as I wasn’t senior enough to get such holidays.

What I’ve been saying here is that for decades - it wasn’t possible to pick and choose “family friendly” ANYTHING at work, due to the old-fashioned seniority system, enforced by the Union

Local authorities stopping holidays outside of term time is only a recent thing.
Many of my parents’ Summer holidays were taken in the much better peak Summer time between late June - early July.August is the equivalent of April in terms of daylight and strength of Sun.
Which I followed during my own working life usually working out well for all concerned.
Mostly the others I worked with liked August while I always viewed it as more or less an Autumn month.To me mid Summer means the Solstice.
I also took all of my holiday entitlement in one go + a week or two unpaid when I went to America for well over a month and was still back home for the 4th week of of July.
Everyone was happy.
Firms quibbling about holidays is a deal breaker for me life is too short to lose quality holiday time and that usually meant at least mid June to early July and would generally take nothing except bank holidays from August to the following May.
While the long factory Christmas closure wasn’t included in holiday entitlement.That was when unions did what they said on the tin.

Winseer - you’re in the 1.5%. Add me to the list! :laughing: :laughing:

Work to live…not live to work. Enjoy what you do, but don’t let people rip you off!

drover:

LazyDriver:
Last year I found manpower to be poor at supplying shifts. They only guarantee 4hrs per shift and I was only given 3x 7.25hrs for the few weeks I stayed.
This year I’m going with Pertemps. I had my assessment and agreed a start of 1/11,although they did phone me last week and asked me to start earlier, which I couldn’t. They have guaranteed me 5x 8hrs per week till 17/01 (unless I get 3 infringements) :open_mouth:
Might be an idea to give them a try.

Unless you get 3 infringements■■? What do you get then a nice little bonus? :open_mouth:

Yep! You get Christmas off… :imp:

Winseer:

toonsy:
Problem with your “advice” Winseer is that it applies only to you.

Essentially what you’re saying is don’t try and work your hours around your family.

Don’t take holiday in the summer when the kids might be off etc etc.

What a handsome household.

I couldn’t get holidays in months like August anyways, as I wasn’t senior enough to get such holidays.

Rather than book odd days in peak holiday season, such as the friday before a bank holiday weekend for instance, I’d rather work them, pick up the cushy duty of the senior guy who’s on leave, and then take my own holidays in places like Egypt where it doesn’t matter if you go in November or February, actually rather better if you do for such places.

What I’ve been saying here is that for decades - it wasn’t possible to pick and choose “family friendly” ANYTHING at work, due to the old-fashioned seniority system, enforced by the Union. The overtime allocation system was based around “Aggregate” so that the senior drivers, many of whom would not touch overtime - would cherry pick the plumb overpaid premium jobs, like New Year’s Eve for instance, where you seem to be saying that there are loads of people who’d lose money taking that night off, just to ■■■■ it up the wall somewhere, and have to sleep off new year’s day as well, unfit to come to work and do some double bubble even if they wanted to by that point…

Yes, it is true I’ve been accused of being rather “Money Orientated” in the past. The alternative though? Are you truly telling me that most working class drivers that you AND I come from - “don’t care about money - we’ve got our working pride” kind of argument, where you’d rather have a solid job @ low pay, rather than a fly-by-night job @ top dollar, rather take your holidays when flights are double the price, try to get overtime when there ain’t any, and end up retiring without a pot to ■■■■ in as well?

Again, if you are telling me that 99% of people are like the latter, and only 1% like myself - then it might explain a lot as to why people like me are so unpopular in the unionized workplace in particular… My practices are anything BUT “Dodgy”. They are just making use of the system as it is designed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now years later, I have a brainbox kid who’s now at University reading Physics. It isn’t as if I never had any time at home with my family, because if you can earn the same on nights as it takes half as many more hours on days to earn - who’s the daftest to their family there - really?

The 99% would be working 07:00-19:00, Monday-Friday, spending their money on unnecessarily flashy cars, holidays at peak cost, and ■■■■■■■ up the wall the rest… A lot of them - never got around to HAVING a family, let alone spending quality time with them over the past couple of decades like I did…

Am I really “not like most people”?

I guess it depends on priorities. Mine used to be money. I used to hammer away at the hours, spend weeks away on the continent and even missed my lads first Christmas as I was away working in France.

But something changed.

Yes of course it’s about money to an extent that’s why I’ve positioned myself with the help of recent “shortages” - whether real or made up - in a job that pays me more (its not hard to hit 50k without maxing out) than I used to get for slogging my guts on general haulage for far less hours with much better family friendly hours

But as I said earlier in this thread, it’s the hours and structure that I’m glad I’ve got at my current place rather than having to slog it out as a bottom rung hoover of crap at Royal Mail.

I’ve been doing RM work for a few months now via Pertemps. One thing that really annoys me is I’ll ring up on Tuesday to secure next week’s shifts then out of the blue and without warning they will cancel some or even all of those shifts later that week. This leaves me in limbo so I’ll book myself into DPD the following week instead. Then early next week they’ll start offering me shifts again and I’m like, already booked, sorry.

As an agency driver I take what I can get and from what I’ve read about seniority it’s not a place I will ever work full time. I’m enjoying the new found freedoms as a professional limper, at least for the time being.

As for the 318, haha, what a joke they are. I did a double run from Wolves MC to Brum MC a few weeks ago. 30 minutes travel time in each direction through afternoon rush hour. What clown thought that was ever possible. Then when I got to Wolves I was given 30 minutes to unload 95 yorks. But the depot was so full inside i had to wait for another decker to load his yorks so I could use his empty space for mine.

At the end of the shift I was well over an hour behind. To be fair no one said anything but it’s stress you can do without. I’ve been questioned about lateness in the past but I always do my best, I never toss the job off.

Another trick I’ve had pulled on me recently is giving me a decker route with a hire wagon with no anderson lead. Then when you ask for one they ain’t got one. A yard full of red fleet just sitting there all with anderson leads and they give you without. At least give me a single deck route.

■■■■ up and brewery springs to mind.

LazyDriver:

drover:

LazyDriver:
Last year I found manpower to be poor at supplying shifts. They only guarantee 4hrs per shift and I was only given 3x 7.25hrs for the few weeks I stayed.
This year I’m going with Pertemps. I had my assessment and agreed a start of 1/11,although they did phone me last week and asked me to start earlier, which I couldn’t. They have guaranteed me 5x 8hrs per week till 17/01 (unless I get 3 infringements) :open_mouth:
Might be an idea to give them a try.

Unless you get 3 infringements■■? What do you get then a nice little bonus? :open_mouth:

:laughing:
Yep! You get Christmas off… :imp:

Terry T:
I’ve been doing RM work for a few months now via Pertemps. One thing that really annoys me is I’ll ring up on Tuesday to secure next week’s shifts then out of the blue and without warning they will cancel some or even all of those shifts later that week. .

Yet another…

Of the agencies tricks using their marked deck of cards. Book the driver for a weeks work (where ever that may be RM, Eddies, Tesco etc) and then cancel. What they’re effectively doing is ensuring they have drivers available to cover anything that they might get. If they asked me to book a week ahead, I’d ask for a 8 hours money if those shifts failed to happen.

It’s no different to putting drivers on un-paid stand-by.

Terry T:
I’ve been doing RM work for a few months now via Pertemps. One thing that really annoys me is I’ll ring up on Tuesday to secure next week’s shifts then out of the blue and without warning they will cancel some or even all of those shifts later that week. This leaves me in limbo so I’ll book myself into DPD the following week instead. Then early next week they’ll start offering me shifts again and I’m like, already booked, sorry.

As an agency driver I take what I can get and from what I’ve read about seniority it’s not a place I will ever work full time. I’m enjoying the new found freedoms as a professional limper, at least for the time being.

As for the 318, haha, what a joke they are. I did a double run from Wolves MC to Brum MC a few weeks ago. 30 minutes travel time in each direction through afternoon rush hour. What clown thought that was ever possible. Then when I got to Wolves I was given 30 minutes to unload 95 yorks. But the depot was so full inside i had to wait for another decker to load his yorks so I could use his empty space for mine.

At the end of the shift I was well over an hour behind. To be fair no one said anything but it’s stress you can do without. I’ve been questioned about lateness in the past but I always do my best, I never toss the job off.

Another trick I’ve had pulled on me recently is giving me a decker route with a hire wagon with no anderson lead. Then when you ask for one they ain’t got one. A yard full of red fleet just sitting there all with anderson leads and they give you without. At least give me a single deck route.

■■■■ up and brewery springs to mind.

I’ve signed up for that ‘task force’ job that was on here a couple of months back. Staying in a hotel all expenses paid. The way they’ve divved up the money means you don’t get paid any more or less, but by paying allowances, the hourly rate is reduced therefore you accrue less holidays. (at least thats how I reckon it’ll work)

Returning to class 1 work after a stint driving bin lorries for my local council. Went through manpower to get RM class 1 Job here in Belfast. During the application with manpower one of the questions the guy asked me on the phone was have you driven class one in the past 6 months. So I said no as I haven’t since middle of 2018. He didn’t seem to mind so anyway went to the RM interview/assement, after they took copy of my cards and I did the question paper, the guy asked me have you driven i class 1 in the past 6 months, I said no not since 2018. He and the other assessor went outside the room, came back in and said sorry but we couldn’t continue the assement or driving assement as they require that I’ve driven class 1 in at least the last 12momths max.l, and that manpower should’ve told them this. Talk about a waste of an afternoon.

I’ve since been offered my old class 1 job back so it looks like that’s where I’m going.

DaveyW:
He and the other assessor went outside the room, came back in and said sorry but we couldn’t continue the assement or driving assement as they require that I’ve driven class 1 in at least the last 12momths max.l, and that manpower should’ve told them this. Talk about a waste of an afternoon.

I’ve since been offered my old class 1 job back so it looks like that’s where I’m going.

There’s no…

Harm in asking for your time to be paid. It’s not your fault that MP failed to ask the right questions before you went. Why should you be penalised for other people’s mistakes? You can leave reviews on different firms on the internet now (hint hint).

Good luck with your old job.

Wow!
I guess they must have a large pool of drivers to choose from.
I can’t fathom why they consider it matters when you last drove a class 1.
A new pass driver will have driven class 1 very recently.
A very experienced class 1 driver may not have driven one for a while, but he will almost certainly be a safer bet then a new pass driver.

I take months & sometimes years off from driving class 1 but it is just like riding a bike - you don’t forget how to do it.
Sure, the vehicle feels a bit large & unwieldy at first but you soon settle right back in.

ScaniaUltimate:
Wow!
I guess they must have a large pool of drivers to choose from.
I can’t fathom why they consider it matters when you last drove a class 1.
A new pass driver will have driven class 1 very recently.
A very experienced class 1 driver may not have driven one for a while, but he will almost certainly be a safer bet then a new pass driver.

I take months & sometimes years off from driving class 1 but it is just like riding a bike - you don’t forget how to do it.
Sure, the vehicle feels a bit large & unwieldy at first but you soon settle right back in.

Exactly, suppose they have to whittle the numbers down somehow

yourhavingalarf:

DaveyW:
He and the other assessor went outside the room, came back in and said sorry but we couldn’t continue the assement or driving assement as they require that I’ve driven class 1 in at least the last 12momths max.l, and that manpower should’ve told them this. Talk about a waste of an afternoon.

I’ve since been offered my old class 1 job back so it looks like that’s where I’m going.

There’s no…

Harm in asking for your time to be paid. It’s not your fault that MP failed to ask the right questions before you went. Why should you be penalised for other people’s mistakes? You can leave reviews on different firms on the internet now (hint hint).

Good luck with your old job.

Cheers mate, was unsure about using an agency in the first place tbh. Only wanted to try and get the foot in the door at RM.

So is the op still waiting for the phone call

yourhavingalarf:

DaveyW:
He and the other assessor went outside the room, came back in and said sorry but we couldn’t continue the assement or driving assement as they require that I’ve driven class 1 in at least the last 12momths max.l, and that manpower should’ve told them this. Talk about a waste of an afternoon.

I’ve since been offered my old class 1 job back so it looks like that’s where I’m going.

There’s no…

Harm in asking for your time to be paid. It’s not your fault that MP failed to ask the right questions before you went. Why should you be penalised for other people’s mistakes? You can leave reviews on different firms on the internet now (hint hint).

Good luck with your old job.

Thing is 'larf, the agency DID ask the right question, trouble was, they didn’t know why they were asking it!

LazyDriver:
Thing is 'larf, the agency DID ask the right question, trouble was, they didn’t know why they were asking it!

I get…

What you’re saying. MP should have asked RM about the 6 months class 1 recent experience and RM should have made it clear to MP that it was a deal breaker.

Bottom line is our boy should still get paid for attending.

I applied to RM Wishaw in July got a email during the week saying that I had been unsuccessful (only took 3mos) but please contact Pertemps.

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