LGVTrainer:
Firstly bad luck for today but you sound positive.
As regards the serious for following distance examiners are trained to follow the 2 second rule regardless of speed. Once inside that gap a fault has occurred. Now it’s about time and distance. ie close for just a second or 2 won’t be marked, longer than that a driving fault (minor) has occurred but over any considerable distance a serious and finally dangerous fault will be marked. The examiner cannot mark twice for the same fault so he will wait until the incident is over before deciding where the ink goes.
The mirror direction fault is marked differently. This is a low risk / high risk situation. In your case a nearside mirror check prior to moving left is perfect. Any movement left without a mirror check is a fault. Looking instantly afterwards where the left move has no or minimal effect on others is a minor issue but no mirror check is always a serious fault regardless of whether anyone is there or not.
Hope this helps a little
Hi john yes thank you for that invaluably inside knowledge or at least info that is new to me which I can use.
I got marked down with a good few minors also for U.H I mean where am training is busy and these roundabouts come off a 50mph road I’ve got 10ft behind me and a engine that counts to 10 before it moves. I ain’t moving any where unless “I” think its safe I would in my car because it goes fast and its small but a truck I’m cautious of these suddenly appearing cars. Its a very fine line of can I go or not
Don’t know if much can be done really
Undue hesitation is a fault that can easily be solved. The examiner will assess your stop/go decision based on what you could actually see. If it’s clear and you don’t go then when will you go ? What better situation are you waiting for. If you go and a car then comes screaming round it won’t be your fault but from experience 2 possible things happen.
Candidate can see car coming but thinks he can make it and causes car to slow or change direction = Serious fault Junctions/Observation or
It’s clear and candidate through nerves/fear doesn’t go = driving fault undue hesitation.
As most test routes average 10-14 roundabouts this situation is unlikely to happen too many times and in most cases a habitual fault will only move to serious if it happens more than 50% of the possible times.
Sorry to here you failed pal, reminds me how lucky I was to pass first try,
I had 11 minors and was sure I had failed,
I was so nervous made silly errors but thankfully did enough to pass and did not have to go through it all again,
LGVTrainer:
Undue hesitation is a fault that can easily be solved. The examiner will assess your stop/go decision based on what you could actually see. If it’s clear and you don’t go then when will you go ? What better situation are you waiting for. If you go and a car then comes screaming round it won’t be your fault but from experience 2 possible things happen.
Candidate can see car coming but thinks he can make it and causes car to slow or change direction = Serious fault Junctions/Observation or
It’s clear and candidate through nerves/fear doesn’t go = driving fault undue hesitation.
As most test routes average 10-14 roundabouts this situation is unlikely to happen too many times and in most cases a habitual fault will only move to serious if it happens more than 50% of the possible times.
I’m wondering if I go when I see a car coming Down to the roundabout from road ahead but not on the roundabout would that be ok. I mean the car is still moving towards but not waiting. Just trying to make sense of what’s safe and not as dumb as it sounds trying to figure out what is classed as UH
I mean I know in my head I was clearly waiting for no cars waiting to enter on my rightwhile also taking note nothing was coming around I can see why I got UH marks
Ergot2005:
I’m wondering if I go when I see a car coming Down to the roundabout from road ahead but not on the roundabout would that be ok. I mean the car is still moving towards but not waiting.
If by you pulling out would mean making that car change speed or direction then do not go and perhaps say out loud - that car looks fast
Ergot2005:
I’m wondering if I go when I see a car coming Down to the roundabout from road ahead but not on the roundabout would that be ok. I mean the car is still moving towards but not waiting.
If by you pulling out would mean making that car change speed or direction then do not go and perhaps say out loud - that car looks fast
OK thanks buddy
I wonder if pulling up to the roundabout not being 100% sure if safe… Apply hand break and then going 2 seconds later when I was sure would have caused me UH I could have gone in the first place but I did not feel comfortable when pulling up to the roundabout I bet that’s what did it ? Anyway it did not cause a accumulative minors fail… But was close so don’t want to repeat if I can help it
Can I be marked down at the same roundabout ? Or not. Maybe handbreak off then handbrake back on would be a UH I did that a few times but for good reason “I feel”
I’m surprised that you were taught to apply parking brake at a roundabout. You’re not planning to park up there unlike pulling up at a safe place on the road. A possible exception is an uphill approach to a roundabout but not many other exceptions. You sometimes only have split seconds to make the stop/go decision and many trucks have a delay when releasing the brake.
As for waiting for cars approaching from ahead there are several techniques ie slow your approach slightly so the oncoming car makes his move before you decide and always look at what lane he is in and any signals he might have on. There are other signs but beyond the scope of this reply.
LGVTrainer:
I’m surprised that you were taught to apply parking brake at a roundabout. You’re not planning to park up there unlike pulling up at a safe place on the road. A possible exception is an uphill approach to a roundabout but not many other exceptions. You sometimes only have split seconds to make the stop/go decision and many trucks have a delay when releasing the brake.
As for waiting for cars approaching from ahead there are several techniques ie slow your approach slightly so the oncoming car makes his move before you decide and always look at what lane he is in and any signals he might have on. There are other signs but beyond the scope of this reply.
I’d never really been taught to apply parking brake at roundabouts but a lot of them in question where on a slight up hill so saving rolling back I had stopped so thought I may as well apply the parking brake. If it was a manual truck… like my car I would have just used clutch control. Its a lot different in auto vehicles
Its VERY interesting how you say about the delay on trucks when releasing the parking brake this is maybe what’s causing me issues as I take parking brake off “stamp” on the accelator i find myself urging the truck to come into life and actually move “Renault magnum”
Also I think I may be a little stupid here but… should I be using my left foot "clutch foot " to hold the brake on and then use my right foot to go? I’ve been doing nothing with my redundant left foot as there is no clutch lol
Best approach is to NEVER stop at a roundabout but to assess the situation earlier and extra slow to a crawl if busy - even if that is 1 or 2 mph
The aim is to do the whole of the drive without stopping unless directed to do so by the examiner - it is not impossible but VERY HARD to achieve as it requires excellent observation and forward planning as well as driving to how you want to and not how you think those behind want you to
my instructor told me to apply the parking brake is for was stopped for longer than 5 seconds, unless on a hill where you would have to
i always slowed down a lot for a island and kept moving slow as long as possible without stopping incase a gap appeared , like you i had to drive a auto as they did not have a manual truck, there was a delay in the throttle pedal so if i had to apply the parking brake i always got some revs up before releasing it,
drive a manual now and much better for pulling off!
Hold it on the brake, there is a delay anyway on the brake of a second or two which is long enough to get on the gas, alternatively if you really need to on a hill then use the hill hold function as that holds the breaks for you for longer when required lol
I would only use the handbrake at lights or if sat for a good few minutes when your leg might get a little tired and release the pressure on the pedal.
simcor:
Hold it on the brake, there is a delay anyway on the brake of a second or two which is long enough to get on the gas, alternatively if you really need to on a hill then use the hill hold function as that holds the breaks for you for longer when required lol
I would only use the handbrake at lights or if sat for a good few minutes when your leg might get a little tired and release the pressure on the pedal.
Evil8Beezle:
Your shunting yard has traffic lights?
No but these days I think we need them with the amount of vehicles that are in and out not to mention traffic wardens to stop donkeys parking trucks in the most inconvenient places.
Obviously I mean when out on the road not in the yard you ■■■■ womble. Lol
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