Well said that man, wise words.
the nodding donkey:
I get paid whilst waiting for a tyre monkey to sort things out.
I don’t know how it works for happysack but I get paid even if my digi card is in my wallet. So if I get up at 6am with a flat tyre and go back to sleep after calling a tyre fitter I still get paid from 6am even if I don’t put my card in until 9am when everything is sorted.
I get paid a daily wage plus bonus. Even if i have a puncture i probably still wouldn’t do a full day but I’d rather have those hours in the bank just in case it goes ■■■■ up later in the day. So many on here think that life revolves around hourly pay and sitting telling tales in rdcs.
mac12:
That’s what i’m trying to say, Conor checks his truck at Howden and all ok pulls out on the road and his trailer lights are out 100 yards up the road but carn’t see them he then keeps driving to Runcorn but gets stopped on the M62. Your taco shows time doing something maybe drinking coffee maybe checking how do you prove which and would you say i checked it or that you spent you time drinking.
I have a daily check sheet which I’ve completed at the start of the shift and when I change units/trailers. I’ve not driven a wagon without one for many a year despite driving for many companies in that time, even if its just those carbon copy generic ones from the RHA shop.
So between that check sheet and 5/10/15 minutes other work indicated I’ve sufficient proof to satisfy the wheel tappers at a roadside check.
Your 5/10/15 minutes of Other Work don’t prove that you’ve done your pre-use checks, your completed check sheet doesn’t prove that you’ve done your checks - all it proves is that your card was in the head sometime before you started driving and that someone has filled in a check sheet. I often see drivers filling in their check sheets while they are standing in the office whingeing about their run/discussing last night’s football/waiting for the loaders to finish their work. 10 minutes later they are off out of the yard with some suitable period of Other Work recorded and a fully completed check sheet. But have they actually checked their vehicle?
It may keep the wheel tappers happy at the roadside but it proves nothing as far as the actual checking of the vehicle is concerned.
Roymondo:
Your 5/10/15 minutes of Other Work don’t prove that you’ve done your pre-use checks, your completed check sheet doesn’t prove that you’ve done your checks - all it proves is that your card was in the head sometime before you started driving and that someone has filled in a check sheet. I often see drivers filling in their check sheets while they are standing in the office whingeing about their run/discussing last night’s football/waiting for the loaders to finish their work. 10 minutes later they are off out of the yard with some suitable period of Other Work recorded and a fully completed check sheet. But have they actually checked their vehicle?It may keep the wheel tappers happy at the roadside but it proves nothing as far as the actual checking of the vehicle is concerned.
I did mention that myself.
But proving it isn’t really the point. DVSA don’t require you to PROVE things, you don’t have to prove you were actually on other work. They just want you to record what you’re doing legally using the tacho. There’s no requirement to prove it all on your todd. You have to truthfully record your work. The proof of what you do comes from alsorts of other things beyond a drivers control such as time sheets, CCTV, phone records. These are the things when something bad happens that gets checked and they don’t ask you to provide it. They do it themselves.
If you have 9 mins other work just prior to driving it, you said you did your checks, you’ve ticked your sheet, then most likely, as with the rest of the tacho it’ll look sensible. Youve fuffilled your legal obligations if you did check the thing.
Freight Dog:
Roymondo:
Your 5/10/15 minutes of Other Work don’t prove that you’ve done your pre-use checks, your completed check sheet doesn’t prove that you’ve done your checks - all it proves is that your card was in the head sometime before you started driving and that someone has filled in a check sheet. I often see drivers filling in their check sheets while they are standing in the office whingeing about their run/discussing last night’s football/waiting for the loaders to finish their work. 10 minutes later they are off out of the yard with some suitable period of Other Work recorded and a fully completed check sheet. But have they actually checked their vehicle?It may keep the wheel tappers happy at the roadside but it proves nothing as far as the actual checking of the vehicle is concerned.
I did mention that myself.
Although not until after I had already done so (if we’re going to get into a ■■■■■■■ contest about who said it first) 
Your legal obligations do not involve you actually checking anything or filling in forms to indicate that you have done so - they require you to accurately record your work/driving/breaks and that you do not use a vehicle in a defective state. How you comply with the latter part without actually checking anything is entirely up to you!
Roymondo:
Freight Dog:
Roymondo:
Your 5/10/15 minutes of Other Work don’t prove that you’ve done your pre-use checks, your completed check sheet doesn’t prove that you’ve done your checks - all it proves is that your card was in the head sometime before you started driving and that someone has filled in a check sheet. I often see drivers filling in their check sheets while they are standing in the office whingeing about their run/discussing last night’s football/waiting for the loaders to finish their work. 10 minutes later they are off out of the yard with some suitable period of Other Work recorded and a fully completed check sheet. But have they actually checked their vehicle?It may keep the wheel tappers happy at the roadside but it proves nothing as far as the actual checking of the vehicle is concerned.
I did mention that myself.
Although not until after I had already done so (if we’re going to get into a ■■■■■■■ contest about who said it first)
Your legal obligations do not involve you actually checking anything or filling in forms to indicate that you have done so - they require you to accurately record your work/driving/breaks and that you do not use a vehicle in a defective state. How you comply with the latter part without actually checking anything is entirely up to you!
I didn’t state that for some sort of pettiness, you misunderstood. It was for highlighting what I’d said im agreeance with you for the purposes of what I wanted to add in the next post.
I thought you were legally obliged to report faults on LGVs, and under the regs I understood LGV operators have to have a reporting system. I must admit I did not know whether a “nil defect” sheet is legally required. I checked and the DVSA manual states " Daily defect checks are vital, and the results of such checks should be recorded." which would suggest nil defects as well. So the tick sheet is required.
It’s says a bit more here regarding checks themselves:-
gov.uk/roadside-vehicle-che … roadworthy
But how you can check you can ensure the vehicle is safe to drive without checking it beats me. You have to check it. One can’t be fulfilled without the other.
Interestingly this link does state categorically “a guide to the daily checks HGV drivers must carry out in order to maintain safety standards for their vehicles”. Which does contradict some Dvsa stuff slightly where it is true, they state either the operator or driver must complete them. But fulfilling the driver requirement to ensure the vehicle is safe to drive leads it back to the top.
Apologies for misunderstanding the point being made.
Vehicle operators are indeed required to have systems in place for the reporting and rectification of defects under the terms of their O-licence. As such these are legal obligations.
But as far as the driver is concerned, there is no legal obligation to actually carry out daily checks. He will of course ultimately carry (some of) the can if a defect comes to light during either a roadside check or accident investigation. By the same token he will bear responsibility if he drives while over the drink-drive limit - but there is no legal obligation for him to actually test his own blood-alcohol level before getting behind the wheel.
Roymondo:
Apologies for misunderstanding the point being made.Vehicle operators are indeed required to have systems in place for the reporting and rectification of defects under the terms of their O-licence. As such these are legal obligations.
But as far as the driver is concerned, there is no legal obligation to actually carry out daily checks. He will of course ultimately carry (some of) the can if a defect comes to light during either a roadside check or accident investigation. By the same token he will bear responsibility if he drives while over the drink-drive limit - but there is no legal obligation for him to actually test his own blood-alcohol level before getting behind the wheel.
No need to apologise. Yep, It’s a strange one, it does indeed say a daily must be carried out by a responsible person of the operator or the driver, yet the DVSA book does state
“As the driver, you are responsible for the condition of your vehicle when in use on the road.”
which is a bit more on the head of the driver than the responsible person, so ultimately it does come down to the driver and whether he trusts the responsible person. I think it’s a case of paring bones back to the minimum. You could fight DVSA and say you didn’t do a walk around because you don’t have to as your TM said a driver trainer had done it 30 mins before, but of something happens, they’d use that line of responsibility to get you. If you’d checked it yourself at least you’d not left that responsibility to chance. Which I suppose is what responsibility means when they state that.
Lets face it, it isn’t fashionable amongst drivers to do proper walk around checks. Day in, day out I see drivers hook up to trailers and clear off without so much of a glance at the tyres etc. Therefore, if I had my own company i’d be tempted to enforce a 10 minute ‘rule’ just to try and encourage it. In reality though most of that 10 minutes just gets spent gassing and supping coffee.
happysack:
I get paid a daily wage plus bonus. Even if i have a puncture i probably still wouldn’t do a full day but I’d rather have those hours in the bank just in case it goes ■■■■ up later in the day. So many on here think that life revolves around hourly pay and sitting telling tales in rdcs.
I get paid a salary. I am not extending my day by two hours because I had a flat tyre. If I spot a (slow ) puncture when I do a quick walk around when I park up for the night, I will get the tyre firm out then, and let them get on with it whilst I’m on daily rest. But not in the morning.
(Friday rules apply 
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the nodding donkey:
happysack:
I get paid a daily wage plus bonus. Even if i have a puncture i probably still wouldn’t do a full day but I’d rather have those hours in the bank just in case it goes ■■■■ up later in the day. So many on here think that life revolves around hourly pay and sitting telling tales in rdcs.I get paid a salary. I am not extending my day by two hours because I had a flat tyre. If I spot a (slow ) puncture when I do a quick walk around when I park up for the night, I will get the tyre firm out then, and let them get on with it whilst I’m on daily rest. But not in the morning.
(Friday rules apply
I didn’t say i would extend my day…it’s a fall back.
happysack:
the nodding donkey:
happysack:
I get paid a daily wage plus bonus. Even if i have a puncture i probably still wouldn’t do a full day but I’d rather have those hours in the bank just in case it goes ■■■■ up later in the day. So many on here think that life revolves around hourly pay and sitting telling tales in rdcs.I get paid a salary. I am not extending my day by two hours because I had a flat tyre. If I spot a (slow ) puncture when I do a quick walk around when I park up for the night, I will get the tyre firm out then, and let them get on with it whilst I’m on daily rest. But not in the morning.
(Friday rules apply
I didn’t say i would extend my day…it’s a fall back.
Fair enough. Do you tramp or day work?
Tramping. Or for the purists on here I sleep in my wagon.
Don’t know why it has been suggested in this thread that " none of us are perfect ". That’s ■■■■■■■■.
I am. In fact, after brushing my teeth this morning, I gazed into the mirror and said " You are perfect ". At that exact moment Mrs B walked past me and said " Aww…you always say gorgeous things to me ".
That’s how perfect I am, even my own narcism makes others happy.
You’d make them even more happy if you could at least spell “narcissism” 
eagerbeaver:
Don’t know why it has been suggested in this thread that " none of us are perfect ". That’s ■■■■■■■■.I am. In fact, after brushing my teeth this morning, I gazed into the mirror and said " You are perfect ". At that exact moment Mrs B walked past me and said " Aww…you always say gorgeous things to me ".
That’s how perfect I am, even my own narcism makes others happy.
Like a young Robroy 
Cant believe I netted YOU Roymondo.
I expected far inferior prey in the noose.
eagerbeaver:
Cant believe I netted YOU Roymondo.I expected far inferior prey in the noose.
Gotta catch 'em all…