15 minute cities

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Conor:

drover:
As i understand it you will only be able to drive into other zones in the city up to 100 times a year, after which you will be fined :open_mouth:

Oh dear, someone has bought the bollox being spouted online. The media haven’t reported on that BECAUSE IT DOES NOT EXIST.

It’s absolute unadulterated bollox, all that “we will be fined if we leave our zone, we’re being imprisoned” is absolute unadulterated rubbish and it scares me the amount of gullible halfwits that believe any old crap they see on social media. Looking at the comments above it seems we have a few of those in here too. What has actually been said for those capable of doing research and capable of critical thinking and producing their own thoughts instead of being told what to think by knuckle draggers on [zb] Tiktok is that if you want to go from one zone to another you should use the ring roads. So you can go to as many zones as you damned well please as much as you want, you’ll just have to use the ring roads. The benefits of doing that is that it means local streets don’t get clogged up, everyone gets faster journeys, pollution is lower, everyone wins. Except the leftie loonie nobheads on social media who will have one less thing they can use to generate likes and upvotes from the gullibles.

My understanding is that it isn’t so much “Fines” for non-compliance, but rather a regular charge like the Dartford Crossing has - Sadistique Khan’s expanded ULEZ in London - now has poorer people who cannot afford to buy the newer Euro-compliant vehicles - paying more money than well-heeled owners of flash vehicles… On top of this, small businesses using a tatty old van - are going to go under, compared to mega-corporations like Supermarkets…

Not much in there for LABOUR voters - was there?

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if you want to go from one zone to another you should use the ring roads. So you can go to as many zones as you damned well please as much as you want, you’ll just have to use the ring roads. The benefits of doing that is that it means local streets don’t get clogged up, everyone gets faster journeys, pollution is lower, everyone wins

Conor wtf are you on about :laughing:
Have you been on tiktok again? :unamused:

If you’ve got loads of people in say Oxford that have to get across the city to work or whatever & would normally cut across the centre, but now have to go around the ring road. How the ■■■■ is that reducing pollution! Those people will be driving further and stuck in traffic more to get to the same destination.

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I think this is being reported poorly, and don’t really have an issue with the basic premise as such. The conspiracy nutters have grabbed hold of this with both hands and run with it.

Everything you need to live, within 15 minutes walk of where you live? Not a bad idea really. Like living in a little village, walk a few streets over to the nearest corner shop, a nice local pub and coffee shop, post office and GP surgery a few more streets over. Saves you petrol money and get some much needed exercise in our population. Doesn’t sound too bad.

Compare that to the current alternative of slapping up huge new build housing estates on the edge of town with nothing else near them, forcing you to drive anywhere you want to get to, and with no supporting upgrade to the local road network so you just end up with endless congestion of people trying to drive several miles to the nearest big supermarket because there’s nothing within walking distance. And Karen driving little Timmy to and from school every day in the biggest most unnecessary SUV they could buy because the little darling couldn’t possibly walk half an hour to school.

Admittedly Im very guilty of this as I loathe shopping and cant think of much worse than walking into town and visiting several different shops to get everything I need rather than just getting it all in one trolley at Tesco. But if I could do one big monthly shop on the edge of my “zone” and then there’s a few corners shops I can walk to and grab milk and bread when I need it Id probably do that.

In reality, I imagine it’ll likely just turn into segregated slums of flats above boarded up kebab shops, like the high street areas of most big towns/cities at the moment as brick and mortar shops are dying off, nobody can afford to go to a pub that isnt a Wetherspoons, and nobody wants to put money into making the area nice. It’ll be another ghost town row of chicken shops, bookies, charity shops, those weird little shops that sell nothing but overpriced cheap flimsy ‘home hardware’ plastic tat, and Afrocarribean hairdressers. As all the people who can afford it, move out to live in actual nice little towns and villages.

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-whoops double post-

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15 min cities might actually be a good idea, but do they not need to creat them first?

If things like supermarkets, cinemas, doctors are not 15 min away in your zone how are you to avoid traveling to the other zones. Years ago we had a butcher, green grocer and even once upon a time a cinema and factories locally. The cinema got replaced by a petrol station and now is a car wash, green grocer shut down years ago too, the factories by houses, the last to go was a butcher who said the council was increasing his rent so much he can’t afford it anymore. There there is a Coop, Mcalls and a Tesco Express within 15 min walk, but these are expensive and only have a limited range of good on sale.

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At which point do people accept that it isn’t a “conspiracy theory” anymore, once it starts happening, and becomes fact, policy roll-out, and whatever detriment to the public it happens to be intended to do?

Regardless of whatever way you vote in elections, which way you lean politically - surely a “government conspiracy” becomes fact the moment they fail to deliver for ANY reason on their electoral pledges, SUCCEED in implementing the very things that particular administration warned you “not to vote the other way” for, and also any roll-out of hard-hitting policies that NO one voted for.

Even over contentious issues like “Brexit” - It is generally accepted that no Brexiteer voted to “have the Brexit dividend withheld”. Remainers and Brexiteers alike - do not consent to our economy being trashed first by Covid lockdown, and now by choosing to fight an unwinnable trade/hot war with Putin’s Russia, rather than “just let it go” now that we are supposedly no longer responsible for peacekeeping in Europe…

I note even the Left-learning Pacifists were not grateful to Trump’s America for starting no new wars, and were slow to criticize Biden’s pull-out of Afghanistan that gave Putin the green light in Ukraine…

I also note that NO Western gpvernment mouthpiece is criticizing Zelensky for “not doing the China deal” laid out for them to bring the war to a swift end…
Why SHOULD we then - consent to any kind of “Kettling” or “movement restriction” in our own country, among ourselves?

It is about time the Greensters were called to account, since up until now - we have politicians on both sides of the Aisle championing their causes rather than ours who actually voted for them to get other stuff done/stopped, rather than all this green tosh…

I won’t be in favour of this move to electric vehicles until they pledge to give everyone who’s not a millionaire a free electric car every time they expire (five years?), pay our electric bills for us, and tax only millionaires to raise the cash to do this.

The Greens have got FAR too much punch for the solitary MP they have. It is about time the other parties with a lot more seats - did something about that.

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Winseer:
It is about time the Greensters were called to account, since up until now - we have politicians on both sides of the Aisle championing their causes rather than ours who actually voted for them to get other stuff done/stopped, rather than all this green tosh…

I take it that you sincerely believe that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by governments to keep the working classes in their place.

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Apparently…

SUVs are the problem.

youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo

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yourhavingalarf:
Apparently…

SUVs are the problem.

youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo

I`m 5 minutes into watching that: really interesting so far.

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Nothing much to argue with IMHO
Really big, heavy, inefficient vehicles aren`t suited to cities.