Tacho question

18_shunts_later:
I know I don’t come under the multi man rules and classed as single man

I was under the impression that if there was 2 men in the cab and my card was in slot 2 and on poa this would be used as my break. And if I had 3 hours on poa I could have a 9 hour daily rest and this would be instead of an 11 hour daily rest.

If my poa doesn’t count towards having 3 hours off would it be best to leave my card out of the machine all together while the other guy is driving and if it gets to 3 hours then show that period as on bed?

My View is if its not counting for anything then why should I be putting it in slot 2 in the first place?

When you’re sat in the passenger seat with your card in slot 2 the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break, break and rest are 2 completely different activities, like POA break never counts towards your daily rest period.

You say that POA isn’t counting as anything but it is, POA is counted as a period when you cannot freely dispose of you time so cannot be on a rest period.

If you leave the card out and manually record the travelling time as rest you should be aware of the potential consequences if you get caught.
Having 5 consecutive reduced daily rest periods will get you an infringements notice and potentially get you fined if you get stopped by the DVSA, on the other hand getting caught falsifying your driver records in the way you describe will almost certainly mean you getting invited to a hearing in front of the TC where you will have to beg to keep your HGV entitlement and will almost certainly get a big fine, in fact a member of this board did leave his card out while driving back to base and if I remember correctly he had to appear in front of the TC and was find £750.

I don’t know who you work for and you certainly should not say on this forum but if it’s a reputable employer they will know that you left your card out whilst retuning to base in the vehicle and they will have their own way of disciplining you.

It’s your choice mate but whatever you decide I would urge you to learn the rules on daily and weekly rest periods and the difference between break POA and daily/weekly rest.

Good luck :wink: