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ERF 'European' (1975)

Remember when going scotch (if from the south), or going down to the smoke (if from the north), was long distance?
When Middle East work was readily available?.
When driving a 111 or F89 meant you were truly the king of the road?
Recall those companies long gone, where every day was an adventure?

What ever happened to those drivers you spent hours with.. where did they go? and recollect on those characters in the industry sadly no longer with us.
This forum is for us all to indulge in a little nostalgia and remember with rose coloured glasses how much better it was in the olden days

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ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby 380streamline » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:32 pm

Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania :)
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby bma.finland » Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:23 am

380streamline wrote:Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania :)

not suprised scannis gear box and range excange was not for acceleration, bet the erf had fuller box
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby [zb] anorak » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:14 pm

The 140 should have been faster on a straight climb, though. 350bhp (gross) beats 335. If I remember correctly, the 140 had 920lbft, the NTC335 890 or thereabouts. The 140 would also make a nicer racket, although this is a matter of taste. :lol: Also a taste issue- the LB Scania was a better-looking machine. The ERF European (and the Dennis of the period) were blatant, shameless and inferior rip-offs of Scania's styling- the Swedes should have kicked both firms through the courts.
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby bma.finland » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:54 pm

[zb] anorak wrote:The 140 should have been faster on a straight climb, though. 350bhp (gross) beats 335. If I remember correctly, the 140 had 920lbft, the NTC335 890 or thereabouts. The 140 would also make a nicer racket, although this is a matter of taste. :lol: Also a taste issue- the LB Scania was a better-looking machine. The ERF European (and the Dennis of the period) were blatant, shameless and inferior rip-offs of Scania's styling- the Swedes should have kicked both firms through the courts.

same tought,s but in acceleraton sisu with cmmins and fuller and some else then me to drive was faster,but scania climed hills as god when you had same speed(better of cause).NOTING WINNS A SCANIA(for me) :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby jimbotruck » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:23 pm

380streamline wrote:Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania :)



I have heard one or two people refer to these motors as "Sandbach Scanias" in the past, must be because the front grille and bonnet is similar to a 111 / 141. Anyone else ever heard that said about them??
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby jimbotruck » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:28 pm

jimbotruck wrote:
380streamline wrote:Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania :)



I have heard one or two people refer to these motors as "Sandbach Scanias" in the past, must be because the front grille and bonnet is similar to a 111 / 141. Anyone else ever heard that said about them??
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby 3300John » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:47 pm

Hiya albert dale
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby gb1 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:23 pm

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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby colinwallace1 » Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:05 pm

GEH 9.jpg
Think this is the one Albert Dale had from new.
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby 3300John » Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:28 am

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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby colinwallace1 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:42 pm

Hi John,glad you liked the picture and it's great to hear from someone who knew the lorry from new.Spoke to my dad (who drove GEH for John Simmons)and as far as he can remember John bought GEH from Beechs garage at stoke after Albert Dale sold it. Did you also drive a 7mw?. I've seen a picture of one in Beresfords colour's JDF 132N and didn't know if it was a subbie or not. So i'm pretty sure it was never a recovery truck, although i have seen pictures of a red 7mw recovery truck. If thats the one you mean it wasn't GEH.
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Dodgy Permit » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:18 pm

Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice. :roll:
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby STRAIGHT EIGHT » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:40 pm

Dodgy Permit wrote:Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice. :roll:

Cobblers, and the C series wasnt around until 81. not one thing you mention is in the least bit true :roll:
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby newmercman » Sun Apr 08, 2012 1:15 am

STRAIGHT EIGHT wrote:
Dodgy Permit wrote:Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice. :roll:

Cobblers, and the C series wasnt around until 81. not one thing you mention is in the least bit true :roll:


Not quite untrue either, they raided the parts bin for the cab, the engine, clutch, gearbox, axles, etc :shock:

ERF were assemblers not manufacturers, so they didn't make much than the badge on that lorry :lol:

Not a very popular thing either, surprising really as by comparison, the Transcon and the Marathon sold far better and ERF had a reputation for building a premium product, whereas pre Transcon Fords were at the lower end of things and Leyland had lost most of its previous good reputation by the late 60s. Shame really, ERF may have still been here today if they'd cracked the premium market back then :wink:
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Dodgy Permit » Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:48 am

STRAIGHT EIGHT wrote:
Dodgy Permit wrote:Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice. :roll:

Cobblers, and the C series wasnt around until 81. not one thing you mention is in the least bit true :roll:

A,B,C whats the odds (have you looked carefully at the posted pictures) and my post was tounge in cheek. :wink:
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby colinwallace1 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:29 am

beresford.jpg
Does anyone know if this one belonged to Beresford's or did a subbie own it? And if this one and Albert Dale's were the only 7mw's in Beresfords colour's.
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby toomanybikes » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:41 am

Does anyone have any interior pictures?
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby gb1 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:11 pm

toomanybikes wrote:Does anyone have any interior pictures?


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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Limey » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:41 pm

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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby fryske » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:44 pm

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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Me.Paul.101 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:38 pm

I've always liked the look of these cabs (motor panel cabs I think they were). Richard Read and Eric Vick from Gloucester ran a few of these to the continent many years ago..These aren't my photo's but they always looked good...
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby jimbotruck » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:46 pm

Has anyone ever seen a right hand drive one of these????
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Me.Paul.101 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:48 pm

Cadwallader's had this one...
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This isn't my picture....
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby marky » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:52 pm

Me.Paul.101 wrote:Cadwallader's had this one...
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This isn't my picture....


It was built as LHD and converted to RHD.
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Me.Paul.101 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:02 pm

Did they have many of these? most firms who had them had at least 2 or 3. Obviously didn't run abroad with it did they?
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Suedehead » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:05 pm

fryske wrote:A survivor
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Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby marky » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:15 pm

Suedehead wrote:
fryske wrote:A survivor
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Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?


If this is the same wagon I'm thinking of, it came from Belgium and was sat in a plant hire place in Burscough for a while.
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby fryske » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:43 pm

Suedehead wrote:
fryske wrote:A survivor
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Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?


Enlighten me then?
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby fryske » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:45 pm

Me.Paul.101 wrote:Cadwallader's had this one...
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This isn't my picture....


That's an MW European isn't it?
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Re: ERF 'European' (1975)

Postby Suedehead » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:49 pm

fryske wrote:
Suedehead wrote:
fryske wrote:A survivor
Image

Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?


Enlighten me then?

Imo the signwriting on the headboard doesnt look right . .looks fake.
Looks duff.
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