ERF 'European' (1975)

[380streamline]

Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania

[bma.finland]

Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania

not suprised scannis gear box and range excange was not for acceleration, bet the erf had fuller box

[[zb] anorak]

The 140 should have been faster on a straight climb, though. 350bhp (gross) beats 335. If I remember correctly, the 140 had 920lbft, the NTC335 890 or thereabouts. The 140 would also make a nicer racket, although this is a matter of taste. Also a taste issue- the LB Scania was a better-looking machine. The ERF European (and the Dennis of the period) were blatant, shameless and inferior rip-offs of Scania's styling- the Swedes should have kicked both firms through the courts.

[bma.finland]

The 140 should have been faster on a straight climb, though. 350bhp (gross) beats 335. If I remember correctly, the 140 had 920lbft, the NTC335 890 or thereabouts. The 140 would also make a nicer racket, although this is a matter of taste. Also a taste issue- the LB Scania was a better-looking machine. The ERF European (and the Dennis of the period) were blatant, shameless and inferior rip-offs of Scania's styling- the Swedes should have kicked both firms through the courts.

same tought,s but in acceleraton sisu with cmmins and fuller and some else then me to drive was faster,but scania climed hills as god when you had same speed(better of cause).NOTING WINNS A SCANIA(for me)

[jimbotruck]

Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania

I have heard one or two people refer to these motors as "Sandbach Scanias" in the past, must be because the front grille and bonnet is similar to a 111 / 141. Anyone else ever heard that said about them??

[jimbotruck]

Recently found article in Truck magazine early 90's, the ERF 'European' or to give its correct model designation NGC 420.
How many were built? Interestingly, the test reported the 335 Cummins engined test machine was quicker than a 140 Scania

I have heard one or two people refer to these motors as "Sandbach Scanias" in the past, must be because the front grille and bonnet is similar to a 111 / 141. Anyone else ever heard that said about them??

[3300John]

Hiya albert dale

[gb1]

[colinwallace1]

Think this is the one Albert Dale had from new.

[3300John]

[quote="colinwallace1"]

[colinwallace1]

Hi John,glad you liked the picture and it's great to hear from someone who knew the lorry from new.Spoke to my dad (who drove GEH for John Simmons)and as far as he can remember John bought GEH from Beechs garage at stoke after Albert Dale sold it. Did you also drive a 7mw?. I've seen a picture of one in Beresfords colour's JDF 132N and didn't know if it was a subbie or not. So i'm pretty sure it was never a recovery truck, although i have seen pictures of a red 7mw recovery truck. If thats the one you mean it wasn't GEH.

[Dodgy Permit]

Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice.

[STRAIGHT EIGHT]

Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice.

Cobblers, and the C series wasnt around until 81. not one thing you mention is in the least bit true

[newmercman]

Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice.

Cobblers, and the C series wasnt around until 81. not one thing you mention is in the least bit true

Not quite untrue either, they raided the parts bin for the cab, the engine, clutch, gearbox, axles, etc

ERF were assemblers not manufacturers, so they didn't make much than the badge on that lorry

Not a very popular thing either, surprising really as by comparison, the Transcon and the Marathon sold far better and ERF had a reputation for building a premium product, whereas pre Transcon Fords were at the lower end of things and Leyland had lost most of its previous good reputation by the late 60s. Shame really, ERF may have still been here today if they'd cracked the premium market back then

[Dodgy Permit]

Shame they had to raid the parts bin for mirror arms-door hinges-door handles- etc etc & no doubt etc from the C series.
Not to mention designing the thing for the 180 Gardner before realizing that the Cummings was a tad longer, no sweat they just put a longer front section on below the screen and hopped that no one would notice.

Cobblers, and the C series wasnt around until 81. not one thing you mention is in the least bit true

A,B,C whats the odds (have you looked carefully at the posted pictures) and my post was tounge in cheek.

[colinwallace1]

Does anyone know if this one belonged to Beresford's or did a subbie own it? And if this one and Albert Dale's were the only 7mw's in Beresfords colour's.

[toomanybikes]

Does anyone have any interior pictures?

[gb1]

Does anyone have any interior pictures?

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There you go.

[Limey]

[fryske]

A survivor

[Me.Paul.101]

I've always liked the look of these cabs (motor panel cabs I think they were). Richard Read and Eric Vick from Gloucester ran a few of these to the continent many years ago..These aren't my photo's but they always looked good...

[jimbotruck]

Has anyone ever seen a right hand drive one of these????

[Me.Paul.101]

Cadwallader's had this one...

This isn't my picture....

[marky]

Cadwallader's had this one...

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This isn't my picture....

It was built as LHD and converted to RHD.

[Me.Paul.101]

Did they have many of these? most firms who had them had at least 2 or 3. Obviously didn't run abroad with it did they?

[Suedehead]

A survivor

Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?

[marky]

A survivor

Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?

If this is the same wagon I'm thinking of, it came from Belgium and was sat in a plant hire place in Burscough for a while.

[fryske]

A survivor

Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?

Enlighten me then?

[fryske]

Cadwallader's had this one...

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This isn't my picture....

That's an MW European isn't it?

[Suedehead]

A survivor

Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?

Enlighten me then?

Imo the signwriting on the headboard doesnt look right . .looks fake.
Looks duff.