I have never been so angry as I am having watched this two part series, which finished last night, which focused upon the complete and utter contempt the Filthies Government has for those needing care either in their own home or in care homes. Ultimately Ex Lorry Driver Frank died because the funding for his one- to- one care was withdrawn. The fanfare around the plans for increased spending announced a few months ago callously omitted to mention that around 80 % of the money quoted is not for Care but for the NHS. For those who missed these two programmes I would say find the time and watch because this WILL affect your family unless you are very lucky.
The cuts imposed on budgets for care over the last decade and a half, the illogical ‘needs criteria’ for funding to provide such care which it seems no-one can understand, the exploitation both of those who provide FREE to the State care for relatives in their own homes, and to those who travel unpaid in their own vehicle between visits, the same contempt towards those who work in care homes, and not mentioned, how those who fund their own care subsidise those who don’t, because the Council social services budgets have been cut and can’t also meet other imported requirements.
Perhaps some serious questions and accounting need to be done as to how the National Insurance rate will soon rise - and we’re clearly not being told a fraction of how that money gets wasted, rather than spent wisely.
Trouble is, Labour don’t seem to have any fresh ideas beyond “The NHS is our creation - it’ll solve itself with an infinity budget” concept.
We don’t need new ideas for further funding, we clearly need fresh ideas on what to spend the money on within the NHS that then does NOT get wasted away.
In my mind - treatments can NEVER be “Wasted”. But so much gets dashed on the rocks of follies, litigations, poorly-chosen sites, endemic uncleanliness, and of course “not owning Big Pharma” which seriously needs to be brought under social control, rather than the reverse we’ve now had to put up with for too long.
cav551:
I have never been so angry as I am having watched this two part series, which finished last night, which focused upon the complete and utter contempt the Filthies Government has for those needing care either in their own home or in care homes.
Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.
The cuts imposed on budgets for care over the last decade and a half
See? You even post the last decade and a half which includes both part of Blair and Browns terms in power yet apparently only the Tories get the blame? Are you aware that what made it considerably worse was Labour closing 26,000 hospital beds from 2006-2010 and piling so much PFI loan debt on NHS trusts so that Teflon Tony could prance about banging on about all the new hospitals Labour had built that there’s still £55Bn to pay with the last payment not due until 2050 and trusts like Sherwood Forest NHS trust spending 16.5% of their budget on PFI payments, money that could be used to spend on care? The £1.2Bn PFI deal set up to build the Royal London Hospital will have cost £6.2Bn by the time it’s paid off and Barts NHS Trust that it comes under is spending £116m a year servicing that debt, over 7% of it’s income.
Perhaps they should take some of the money they’re paying GPs who are using Covid as an excuse to cut the service they provide and give it to the care sector.
ETS:
Socialism makes everyone poor, who would’ve thought
Trusting the state to make the decisions and control the budget for your health care from cradle to grave.
Rather than what the German ‘losers’ had/have.
Which leaves the question why would the employer classes, in the form of all the mostly Conservative governments we’ve had since the idea was implemented, want to maintain that status quo.
The truth is Socialism is part of the problem.If wage exploitation, in this case the health care component of wages, didn’t exist then Socialism loses its reason for being and the NHS is just an effect and result of wage exploitation.It’s all about health care rationing to keep that wage component as low as possible so the boss can have a bigger house and trade in the old car for a new one every year rather than two.
Socialism and unlimited health care on demand from cradle to grave indeed.The boss would still have to pay for it just the same as if we had the German system.
Obviously German bossses are happy to pay their workers a bit more.
We watched both episodes with interest as Wifey is NHS and visits care homes, private homes, on a daily basis, the step son is a home carer and has his rota, works from 7am until about 9.30pm, he does get a longish break during the day as some of his clients are just breakfast and supper calls, other clients need 4 calls per day which includes turning, hoisting, washing, wiping and feeding. Its like a farmer though, there are no days off, the clients need visiting whether its snowing raining or Christmas day.
Frank Petch was failing, his one to one certainly helped but he was on End of Life. A long time member of the HSCV club and had a good life with his lorries and shows.
Ed Balls was certainly caring and made some great points, especially when they showed his sister and their mum.
The worse off in my thoughts were the lady with dementure and her husband giving her 24 hour care while suffering with something himself, very sad.
Wheel Nut:
We watched both episodes with interest as Wifey is NHS and visits care homes, private homes, on a daily basis, the step son is a home carer and has his rota, works from 7am until about 9.30pm, he does get a longish break during the day as some of his clients are just breakfast and supper calls, other clients need 4 calls per day which includes turning, hoisting, washing, wiping and feeding. Its like a farmer though, there are no days off, the clients need visiting whether its snowing raining or Christmas day.
Frank Petch was failing, his one to one certainly helped but he was on End of Life. A long time member of the HSCV club and had a good life with his lorries and shows.
Ed Balls was certainly caring and made some great points, especially when they showed his sister and their mum.
The worse off in my thoughts were the lady with dementure and her husband giving her 24 hour care while suffering with something himself, very sad.
Yeah but if you look at the stats - hey life expectancy is going up so let’s have people retire at 70!!
Virtually every hospital is saying that bed blocking is causing the system to fail so I do not understand why the money is going to NHS instead of the care system to unblock those beds which would then really help the NHS
ROG:
Virtually every hospital is saying that bed blocking is causing the system to fail so I do not understand why the money is going to NHS instead of the care system to unblock those beds which would then really help the NHS
That’s the same NHS who’s workforce has now been irrevocably instilled with a rationing Triage type mindset.Effectively they are seeing themselves as having the right to decide who lives and who is allowed to die.Often based on who is younger than who or who has the most family to support etc etc.
When they say ‘bed blocking’ they often actually mean those considered as being impossible or too expensive, in terms of limited resources, to save and then being shunted into the Liverpool Pathways/Palliative type option without choice.
Nothing that they say after that scandal can be trusted.
It was always just a cost saving exercise from cradle to grave to keep the employer classes rich.
cav551:
I have never been so angry as I am having watched this two part series, which finished last night, which focused upon the complete and utter contempt the Filthies Government has for those needing care either in their own home or in care homes.
Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.
The cuts imposed on budgets for care over the last decade and a half
See? You even post the last decade and a half which includes both part of Blair and Browns terms in power yet apparently only the Tories get the blame? Are you aware that what made it considerably worse was Labour closing 26,000 hospital beds from 2006-2010 and piling so much PFI loan debt on NHS trusts so that Teflon Tony could prance about banging on about all the new hospitals Labour had built that there’s still £55Bn to pay with the last payment not due until 2050 and trusts like Sherwood Forest NHS trust spending 16.5% of their budget on PFI payments, money that could be used to spend on care? The £1.2Bn PFI deal set up to build the Royal London Hospital will have cost £6.2Bn by the time it’s paid off and Barts NHS Trust that it comes under is spending £116m a year servicing that debt, over 7% of it’s income.
You say that the PFI was a bad idea?
Good point. Time has shown its failings.
The Tory Gov of Major started it, and Blair carried it on and expanded it.
Brown said “declare repeatedly that the public sector is bad at management, and that only the private sector is efficient and can manage services well.” so wasn`t exactly a fan!
Want to look at Gov expenditure on the NHS?
Absolute amounts/Inflation adjusted/Tax percentage/NI contributions/■■?
How about as a percentage of GDP?
Look at this… statista.com/statistics/317 … d-kingdom/
In the 1980 to 1990 under Thatcher a steady 5.1%.
1990 Major puts it up to 5.6% by 1995. A 10% increase.
1995 Blair enters power. By 2000 the following 5 years it is up to 7.2%. About 50% more than Thatcher gave the NHS.
It rises through the Labour years up to 2010, when it actually drops a little from it`s height of 9.9%, to later rise gently to 10% with Cameron.
(Rather obviously 2019 and Covid has thrown all of that out of kilter as expenses shot up and GDP fell.)
Now the graph I linked shows to me a flat line under Thatcher a nice rise with Major, followed by a steep sustained increase under Blair/Brown, and another flattish line under the newer Tory Govs.
“Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.”
No.
WheelsofCardiff:
There is so much wastage. One hospital near my place is looking for a Marketing officer.
And WHY is that?
Is it because Central Gov wants to turn the NHS from a caring, centrally funded, socially responsible, organisation into a competitive, pretend semi-private, disparate outfit, looking to bid for funds?
They will want finance officers to do pitches on Dragons Den to fund scanners soon!
Ed…Im not having a pop at W of C, Im having a pop at the system which means Marketing officers seem necessary
cav551:
I have never been so angry as I am having watched this two part series, which finished last night, which focused upon the complete and utter contempt the Filthies Government has for those needing care either in their own home or in care homes.
Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.
The cuts imposed on budgets for care over the last decade and a half
See? You even post the last decade and a half which includes both part of Blair and Browns terms in power yet apparently only the Tories get the blame? Are you aware that what made it considerably worse was Labour closing 26,000 hospital beds from 2006-2010 and piling so much PFI loan debt on NHS trusts so that Teflon Tony could prance about banging on about all the new hospitals Labour had built that there’s still £55Bn to pay with the last payment not due until 2050 and trusts like Sherwood Forest NHS trust spending 16.5% of their budget on PFI payments, money that could be used to spend on care? The £1.2Bn PFI deal set up to build the Royal London Hospital will have cost £6.2Bn by the time it’s paid off and Barts NHS Trust that it comes under is spending £116m a year servicing that debt, over 7% of it’s income.
Until the penny drops that Labour and Tory are but two wings of the same dirty bird.l see little prospect of any possible scope for anything resembling…authentic ‘change for all’.It’s not designed that way,never was.The current status quo enables an illusion of possibility while nodding through the bigger-ticket issues-war-prosecution,medical tyranny.unwanted immigration/costly environmental plunderings (HS2) et al and yet folks insist on ‘voting’ Pavlovian-style,ad nauseum.These institutions have long existed merely to keep the wheat from the chaff so to speak with their dog and pony show so it must re-enforce their contempt in respect of the gullibility of a programmed population. all to willing to acquiesce with this delusion every four years.
My own suspicion has long been that the purposely bloated NHS is starting to give off a nasty smell and the Blackrock/Vanguard vultures are in full stacking pattern mode as we can witness with the current LV-Insurance company in Liverpool.Throw in an engineered bio-weapons assault following decades of termiting by these ‘managerial-drones’ and the collapse of the worlds biggest organisation seems almost a fait-accompli at this point.
cav551:
I have never been so angry as I am having watched this two part series, which finished last night, which focused upon the complete and utter contempt the Filthies Government has for those needing care either in their own home or in care homes.
Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.
The cuts imposed on budgets for care over the last decade and a half
See? You even post the last decade and a half which includes both part of Blair and Browns terms in power yet apparently only the Tories get the blame? Are you aware that what made it considerably worse was Labour closing 26,000 hospital beds from 2006-2010 and piling so much PFI loan debt on NHS trusts so that Teflon Tony could prance about banging on about all the new hospitals Labour had built that there’s still £55Bn to pay with the last payment not due until 2050 and trusts like Sherwood Forest NHS trust spending 16.5% of their budget on PFI payments, money that could be used to spend on care? The £1.2Bn PFI deal set up to build the Royal London Hospital will have cost £6.2Bn by the time it’s paid off and Barts NHS Trust that it comes under is spending £116m a year servicing that debt, over 7% of it’s income.
You say that the PFI was a bad idea?
Good point. Time has shown its failings.
The Tory Gov of Major started it, and Blair carried it on and expanded it.
Brown said “declare repeatedly that the public sector is bad at management, and that only the private sector is efficient and can manage services well.” so wasn`t exactly a fan!
Want to look at Gov expenditure on the NHS?
Absolute amounts/Inflation adjusted/Tax percentage/NI contributions/■■?
How about as a percentage of GDP?
Look at this… statista.com/statistics/317 … d-kingdom/
In the 1980 to 1990 under Thatcher a steady 5.1%.
1990 Major puts it up to 5.6% by 1995. A 10% increase.
1995 Blair enters power. By 2000 the following 5 years it is up to 7.2%. About 50% more than Thatcher gave the NHS.
It rises through the Labour years up to 2010, when it actually drops a little from it`s height of 9.9%, to later rise gently to 10% with Cameron.
(Rather obviously 2019 and Covid has thrown all of that out of kilter as expenses shot up and GDP fell.)
Now the graph I linked shows to me a flat line under Thatcher a nice rise with Major, followed by a steep sustained increase under Blair/Brown, and another flattish line under the newer Tory Govs.
“Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.”
No.
And the NHS and care system are where they are which shows that just pumping money in does not work Labour kicked the care can down the road as have succesive governments. The care system needs reform and no one has done it, Theresa May put forward proposals which with a bit of tweaking may have gone some way to helping but Labour childishly dubbed it the dementia tax rather than try to work together and improve the initial idea which as it used people’s assets should have appealed to labour in terms of limiting inherited wealth but better to be partisan and turn down any idea because the other side came up with it meantime people suffer while politicians squabble between themselves
Mazzer2:
And the NHS and care system are where they are which shows that just pumping money in does not work Labour kicked the care can down the road as have succesive governments. The care system needs reform and no one has done it, Theresa May put forward proposals which with a bit of tweaking may have gone some way to helping but Labour childishly dubbed it the dementia tax rather than try to work together and improve the initial idea which as it used people’s assets should have appealed to labour in terms of limiting inherited wealth but better to be partisan and turn down any idea because the other side came up with it meantime people suffer while politicians squabble between themselves
The “dementia tax” was proposed by May as part of the 2017 Tory manifesto.
It was cricitised by Corbyn and Labour.
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“According to an exclusive Business Insider /GfK poll conducted before the launch of the Conservative manifesto, 68% of voters over 65 planned to vote for the party, with just 16% backing Labour. With older voters being much more likely to vote, the chances of a Conservative landslide had looked nailed on.
However, since the launch of the manifesto there are signs that this support could be eroded. A new Survation poll for Good Morning Britain out today found that Labour are now ahead of the Conservatives on which party has the best polices for older people and pensioners, by 37% to 26%. Older voters themselves are now evenly split between the two parties with 35% saying each party has the best policies for pensioners
Overall the Conservative lead over Labour has halved since the manifesto launch according to two polls in recent days.”
I wonder if she dropped the idea because Corbyn was critical of the idea (!) or because the Tory voters didn`t like it?
I do agree with you that the idea has merit.
But any idea about Corbyn forcing her hand? That a rival party, in an election forced a manifesto change because they disagreed with it…no.
Mazzer2:
And the NHS and care system are where they are which shows that just pumping money in does not work Labour kicked the care can down the road as have succesive governments. The care system needs reform and no one has done it, Theresa May put forward proposals which with a bit of tweaking may have gone some way to helping but Labour childishly dubbed it the dementia tax rather than try to work together and improve the initial idea which as it used people’s assets should have appealed to labour in terms of limiting inherited wealth but better to be partisan and turn down any idea because the other side came up with it meantime people suffer while politicians squabble between themselves
The “dementia tax” was proposed by May as part of the 2017 Tory manifesto.
It was cricitised by Corbyn and Labour.
.
“According to an exclusive Business Insider /GfK poll conducted before the launch of the Conservative manifesto, 68% of voters over 65 planned to vote for the party, with just 16% backing Labour. With older voters being much more likely to vote, the chances of a Conservative landslide had looked nailed on.
However, since the launch of the manifesto there are signs that this support could be eroded. A new Survation poll for Good Morning Britain out today found that Labour are now ahead of the Conservatives on which party has the best polices for older people and pensioners, by 37% to 26%. Older voters themselves are now evenly split between the two parties with 35% saying each party has the best policies for pensioners
Overall the Conservative lead over Labour has halved since the manifesto launch according to two polls in recent days.”
I wonder if she dropped the idea because Corbyn was critical of the idea (!) or because the Tory voters didn`t like it?
I do agree with you that the idea has merit.
But any idea about Corbyn forcing her hand? That a rival party, in an election forced a manifesto change because they disagreed with it…no.
Labour dubbed it the dementia tax from then on it was going to be an uphill battle regardless, but again goes back to the voters only wanting to hear nice things and then complaining that politicians lie people should remember that when there is no carer for their relatives
Mazzer2:
Labour dubbed it the dementia tax from then on it was going to be an uphill battle regardless, but again goes back to the voters only wanting to hear nice things and then complaining that politicians lie people should remember that when there is no carer for their relatives
You suggest it was only a struggle after Corbyn named it the “dementia tax”? Ill just disagree that. But that voters dont like hearing the truth? I strongly agree.
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So does Boris Johnson
cav551:
I have never been so angry as I am having watched this two part series, which finished last night, which focused upon the complete and utter contempt the Filthies Government has for those needing care either in their own home or in care homes.
Why only blame the Tories? Labour had 13 years in power and did exactly the same as the Tories did, nothing at all but watch it all go downhill.
The cuts imposed on budgets for care over the last decade and a half
See? You even post the last decade and a half which includes both part of Blair and Browns terms in power yet apparently only the Tories get the blame? Are you aware that what made it considerably worse was Labour closing 26,000 hospital beds from 2006-2010 and piling so much PFI loan debt on NHS trusts so that Teflon Tony could prance about banging on about all the new hospitals Labour had built that there’s still £55Bn to pay with the last payment not due until 2050 and trusts like Sherwood Forest NHS trust spending 16.5% of their budget on PFI payments, money that could be used to spend on care? The £1.2Bn PFI deal set up to build the Royal London Hospital will have cost £6.2Bn by the time it’s paid off and Barts NHS Trust that it comes under is spending £116m a year servicing that debt, over 7% of it’s income.
And this is why the most incompetent shambolic government of my lifetime, possibly anyones keep getting away with being terrible, too many are obsessed with criticising a government and party That’s been out of power for 11 years. Join us in the present- it’s awful I’m afraid but we struggle though. Instead of putting all that writing effort into attacking a government long past maybe more of you need to start questioning the one we have.
