Well the oxygen thieves tried to stop the grand National , but the locals helped the police stop them
Grand National: Protesters delay start of race after getting onto course bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/65285510
I love protestors glueing themselves to stuff. In the ideal world we’d just ignore them and carry on around them, perhaps even urinating on them as we passed.
If we left them I wonder how many times they’d have to ■■■■ their own pants before they begged for help?
blue estate:
Well the oxygen thieves
Wow! So no protests are allowed according to you? Let’s all just do whatever the government says we should do? And be happy with the opportunity to vote them out in up to 5 years to be replaced by an identikit version.
No thanks!
They delayed the grand national by 14 mins, hardly the most annoying thing in the world.
(No, I couldn’t give a hoot about their cause this time, but seems pretty harmless)
stu675:
blue estate:
Well the oxygen thievesWow! So no protests are allowed according to you? Let’s all just do whatever the government says we should do? And be happy with the opportunity to vote them out in up to 5 years to be replaced by an identikit version.
No thanks!
They delayed the grand national by 14 mins, hardly the most annoying thing in the world.
(No, I couldn’t give a hoot about their cause this time, but seems pretty harmless)
Wait an Fing minute !!!
Where did I say I was against “peaceful lawful protests ?”
These are the self righteous people of the same breed that released mink from fur farms in the 70’s and 80’s in to an Uk eco system with no natural predators of the mink so they were top of the chain and decimated our natural water fowl , rodent and fish population violating their own rights to exist
I am not against protests but direct action which causes more harm than good
blue estate:
stu675:
blue estate:
Well the oxygen thievesWow! So no protests are allowed according to you? Let’s all just do whatever the government says we should do? And be happy with the opportunity to vote them out in up to 5 years to be replaced by an identikit version.
No thanks!
They delayed the grand national by 14 mins, hardly the most annoying thing in the world.
(No, I couldn’t give a hoot about their cause this time, but seems pretty harmless)
Wait an Fing minute !!!
Where did I say I was against “peaceful lawful protests ?”
These are the self righteous people of the same breed that released mink from fur farms in the 70’s and 80’s in to an Uk eco system with no natural predators of the mink so they were top of the chain and decimated our natural water fowl , rodent and fish population violating their own rights to exist
I am not against protests but direct action which causes more harm than good
It certainly was dumb to release mink into the wild, agreed, but escapees were breeding in the UK since the 1950s. The damage to UK natural species was happening without protesters actions in the 70s.
canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-th … rican-mink
I’ve had a few bets on the National in the past, but looking at it I suppose it could be made safer for horses by lowering the fences a bit.
Was it 8 horses in 2 years killed?
Does that not tell them something?
robroy:
I’ve had a few bets on the National in the past, but looking at it I suppose it could be made safer for horses by lowering the fences a bit.
Was it 8 horses in 2 years killed?
Does that not tell them something?
But we all know these professional agitators won’t stop at protesting against needless animal suffering.
As for betting the laughable odds being offered on a traditional outsiders race will probably finish it before the protestors do.
As it stands an each way bet at 20/1 on the second place was worth more than winning at 8/1 on the winner.
An each way bet was one third odds. Don’t gamble much do you?
robroy:
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Was it 8 horses in 2 years killed?
Does that not tell them something?
Are we running out of horses anytime soon?
stu675:
robroy:
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Was it 8 horses in 2 years killed?
Does that not tell them something?Are we running out of horses anytime soon?
What do YOU think?
If you take the life of a fine thoroughbred animal out of the equation, there is also the cost and the upkeep which I reckon will be astronomical.
If the fences are too high,.would it really be a problem lowering them a bit for the reasons I’ve pointed out.
I’ve no Intention of gluing my knackers to the gates of Aintree,.I’m just trying to see the other side of the story.
the maoster:
An each way bet was one third odds. Don’t gamble much do you?
Since when was 2nd place only one third of the odds.That would be for third place.
I repeat, you don’t gamble much do you?
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A fair number of horses have been killed as a direct result OF the “Protestors” suddenly moving onto the track, usually in front of high fences like Bechers, causing one or more horses to “dirvert around” only to unseat their rider, cause the horse to run out entirely, or more commonly to force the main pack onto the more dodgy ground where it only takes a horse to find a pothole in the course grass (practically invisible on approach…) to break a leg, and end up being destroyed on the spot, green tent erected and all that…
These fully-funded far left scum that have now fragmented into multiple dissident domestic terrorist outfits - you’d expected to be cracked down upon by our so-called Right wing government, - but no.
Over 100 arrests were made, with the CPS recommending “The book be thrown at them”.
A better idea would be to confiscate their vehicles that enables them to get to these far-flung places to “peacefully protest” in the first place.
The only reason these “Protestors” get to take so many liberties with the general public is that the Right don’t actually have an army of “peaceful protestors” themselves…
Sooner or later, the public are going to turn on these folks, because they know the police are only interested in murdering defencless females, arresting anyone right of Karl Marx that so much as raises their voice to them, and of course bringing tea and biscuits to economy-damaging public enemies wearing high viz and all…
Maybe the reason there were so many “arrests” at Aintree - was that they were carrying ladders, wearing high viz, and it was clearly obvious what they were about…
The course fences have already been “modified” so that less horses have bother jumping through, rather than over them.
As I said before, the fatalities are rarely due to the “course”, and more about the people misbehaving ON that course.
Horses die at other venues too, even flat tracks where there ARE no fences involved…
CF - If you bet £1 Each Way on an 8-1 winner these days, you get £9 back for the win, and a FIFTH of the odds for the place, 1,2,3,4,5,6 in a typical big race handicap such as the grand national.
1/5 the odds on an 8-1 shot pays £3.60 for the place, making a total return on a £1ew bet of £12.60
The return for a placed 20-1 shot would be just £5.00, meaning in fact you wouldn’t return more as you described,
You need to back horses at prices 40-1 plus before the place return is likely higher than the winner’s return…
Races have been paying 1/5 the odds for some time now, having been lowered from formerlly 1/4 the odds for 12+ runner handicaps.
Statista says the UK gaming industry made in 2022 £14 Billion Gross Yield…
Car manufacturing about the same
Until I decide to set up my own betting shop, and set the odds myself, I will not be accepting the odds offered by others.
Its [u]easy[/u] to make money from gambling *If* youre the bookie setting the odds, not the punter accepting them.
robroy:
stu675:
robroy:
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Was it 8 horses in 2 years killed?
Does that not tell them something?Are we running out of horses anytime soon?
What do YOU think?
If you take the life of a fine thoroughbred animal out of the equation, there is also the cost and the upkeep which I reckon will be astronomical.
If the fences are too high,.would it really be a problem lowering them a bit for the reasons I’ve pointed out.I’ve no Intention of gluing my knackers to the gates of Aintree,.I’m just trying to see the other side of the story.
I’ve no opinion on lowering the fences, but as far as abolishing horse racing, or a category of horse racing (steeplechase) which I believe is what the protestors want?
Race horses have a fantastic life with the best care, the best food, training, grooming etc. Abolish it, and they would never be born, never have that great, possibly short, life.
So a stupid protest, but I support the right to protest, but as Blue Estate rightly points out, direct action might not be the answer.
Franglais:
Statista says the UK gaming industry made in 2022 £14 Billion Gross Yield…
Car manufacturing about the sameUntil I decide to set up my own betting shop, and set the odds myself, I will not be accepting the odds offered by others.
It
s [u]easy[/u] to make money from gambling *If* youre the bookie setting the odds, not the punter accepting them.
Most bookmaker “Freelancers” do exactly that - with their Betfair accounts, where it is possible to go out and “Get a Horse”, effectively betting on it to lose by offering a bigger price about it (I.e. “Laying” it) and stealing money off the high street bookmakers - providing that higher-priced horse goes on to lose of course…
If it wins - you, as an amateur-■■■-professional bookmaker - are going to go broke pretty quickly…
As a “Layer” you would be risking say, £50 to win a mere £1each way stake on a 40/1 chance…
If the horse loses - you keep the entire £2 put up by the punter.
If the horse finishes placed, but doesn’t win - you pay out £9 leaving you £7 out of pocket.
If the horse wins you pay out £41 for the win, and £9 for the place on top, leaving you the fully £48 out of pocket, per this example.
You’d have to select (on average) 100 losers on the trot to make money in this way, and I would NOT recommend it, no matter how “Good” you reckon you are at picking losers rather than winners…
The vast majority of “successful, professional” bookmakers these days - are in fact, nothing more than “Accountants” - bean counters, often with a background in “Casino Banking” which of course, ties in quite nicely to the work ethic of the aggressive bookmaker seeking more and more money to be bet on those perfect horses for them - the “Bismarcks” that are “Favorites” to win, but are in fact execpted to lose by the industry…
These same bookmakers can also make a fortune by laying events such as “Trump winning in 2020” knowing that a general rig of all western elections is already in place, such is the gone-unto-wickedness general decline nature of Western Civilization these days.
It would be a brave punter to bet against these “riggers” of course.
One way around, is to bet ONLY on big priced affairs, because the result you want - clearly isn’t expected to happen at the very outset, and hence it then becomes possible to get a bet on at a decent price about something which has actually a much larger chance of happening than exepected…
Eg. I had a bet in the runup to the 2017 election starring Theresa May…
Corbyn was expected to lose 50-100 seats for Labour, and upon looking at various prices for “number of seats won by Labour” in that upcoming election - I settled for a tenner on 40/1 chance for “Labour to win between 250 and 299 seats”
Corbyn ended up raising Labour’s seat tally to 262, and I duly collected my £410 having never voted for Corbyn, nor indeed ever having voted Labour in my life.
Never let “Sentiment” get in the way of a damned good value bet!
For the NEXT election, I suspect Reform Party are going to do rather better than their current 150/1 odds agains them would suggest. NOT to “Win outright” you understand, but rather to just win more than say, the 0-9 seats they are expected to win. Because of “Complacency”, it is likely that odds will be very generous indeed for RP to win even a DOZEN seats, rather than an outright majority of which winning the same number of seats as the Libdems - is far from, of course…
40-1 would be great value on any bet on RP to win around 10-20 seats then, but 150/1 is lousy value for them to win outright, as they have no hope of doing that at all, so in effect, 1000/1 odds would still be considered rather tight-fisted of bookmakers to offer…
There’s some good value around on RP getting more seats than the Tories as well, which makes sense if you think about it - because it has always been considered that RP will ONLY take seats off the Tories, without taking any from the other political parties… Which would have the losing Tories “Fall past” them all to become a 4th or even 5th sized party in the House of Commons…
It’s either that - or the Tories will hold onto office in next year’s election…
That can be achieved in turn by Labour voters still voting Labour in currently safe Tory seats they don’t have a hope of winning - rather than tactically switching to Reform Party IN those very seats they cannot possibly win…
Surely the aim of Labour supporters is to make the Tories LOSE, rather than try and win a majority, which is going to be made all the harder by the block of SNP seats that Labour MUST win to get a full majority.
I can’t see that happening in a single election cycle, alas…
There may be some value bets around on the SNP getting down to single figures at the next election though… Watch the markets!
rearaxle:
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Imagine how long these “Protestors” would last, if we had a proper regime of the Right in charge…
A law could be passed “Persons breaking the law in public - do not have their own rights protected any longer in Law”…
Essentially, some perp blocking the road could have their head kicked in totally legally by any irate motorist, without fear of Plod arresting the taxpaying motorist instead of the economy-damaging, bed-blocking, benefit-scrounging layabout who has chosen the wrong country to try “laying about on the roads”, and would be taking a lesser risk in trying that strategy out in Tianammen Square…
Oh well, we Right wingers on law and Order - can dream can’t we? 
It’ll also be interesting when the general public realize that a credit card maxed out on food and drink, rather than gambling and holidays - isn’t enforceable as a “criminal” debt.
I wonder just how many people will end up maxing out their credit cards at Sainsburys, with the furture intent of “walking away” from that debt, the moment the issuing lender fails to raise the credit line any higher than it already was?
What would the “Lender” go on to re-possess? - Your Technicolour Yawn of today’s Lunch? The Rainbow Cough of this morning’s Breakfast? - Or even the full Blooargh Carpet Rollout of Last Night’s Beer and Donor Kebabs? 
Credit Cards are unsecured Debt, which the borrower isn’t even obliged to pay the interest on, once default is declared, and the debt is written off, and sold-on for a few pennies in the pound to people that have no more right to try and reclaim that debt than a cleaner has of cashing in a discarded betting slip swept up off a betting shop floor after closing time…
Winseer:
.CF - If you bet £1 Each Way on an 8-1 winner these days, you get £9 back for the win, and a FIFTH of the odds for the place, 1,2,3,4,5,6 in a typical big race handicap such as the grand national.
1/5 the odds on an 8-1 shot pays £3.60 for the place, making a total return on a £1ew bet of £12.60
The return for a placed 20-1 shot would be just £5.00, meaning in fact you wouldn’t return more as you described,
You need to back horses at prices 40-1 plus before the place return is likely higher than the winner’s return…
Races have been paying 1/5 the odds for some time now, having been lowered from formerlly 1/4 the odds for 12+ runner handicaps.
From memory the odds of an each way bet always directly reflected the placing.
IE 2nd place = half the odds etc etc.
You’d obviously have to be even more mathematically illiterate, to pay double the stake, for the privilege of getting back 1/5 of the odds, for second place or even third,
than placing a bet with odds of less than 20/1 in a race as wide open as the National.
The bookies are taking the ■■■■ and avin a larf assuming they can find punters willing to take those terms.Who needs anarchists.