Sue Gray Report

According to Sky the report arrived at No 10, about 10hr20 today.

Johnson has previously promised to publish “everything we can”.
So, it should be on full public view.… sometime in the 25th century*?

• about the same time the Unicorn herd is ready to lay golden geese or whatever was promised.

Tanker of Tipp-ex delivered soon after 10.20

Johnson has excelled himself.
His Commons appearance could be an audition for a Christmas Pantomime role. I reckon he`ll do well in the “Wind In The Willows” : either Ratty or one of the Weasels should suit him well.
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Or…
youtube.com/watch?v=HXuBnz6vtuI

I think the only people who actually care about all this sh are Boris’s political opponents,.those who have an agenda towards him and/or his party, or general ‘Boris haters’ such as yourself Franglais.
Most of us are pig ■■■■ sick of hearing it on the media, and we are trying to just move on from all this Covid related ■■■■■■■■, get on with outr lives,.and if we must concentrate on anything political, concentrate on something that is actually important…potential WW3 or UK living costs to name only 2.
However I’ll expect to hear you banging on about it for the next 5 to 6 years and counting…a la Brexit.

robroy:
I think the only people who actually care about all this sh are Boris’s political opponents,.those who have an agenda towards him and/or his party, or general ‘Boris haters’ such as yourself Franglais.
Most of us are pig [zb] sick of hearing it on the media, and we are trying to just move on from all this Covid related ■■■■■■■■.
However I’ll expect to hear you banging on about it for the next 5 to 6 years and counting…a la Brexit.

I know you like a quiet life RR. Ignore anything to avoid controversy.
“Boris hater”? Moi? An agenda against him?
Well, it is this penchant I have for “telling it like it is”, and disliking weasely little cowards who throw others under the bus rather than own up to their own short-comings. A peculiar little trait I have for admiring honest straight talking people. Maybe that is why I don`t much like our country being represented by such a person as Johnson.

Just think, if Johnson had resigned as quickly as he sacked Allegra Stratton then we wouldnt be discussing the Sue Gray report here, would we? And by the way, the same rules apply here as the Brexit thread: the title is very clear: if it doesnt interest you dont read it! Easier than you typing messages telling everyone else to shut up. :bulb: That isnt how forums work, don`t ya know.

But since you are here, what do you think?
Was Johnson photographed drinking at a crowded gathering after work, genuinely too stupid to believe that it was not a party?
Is such an idiot a good choice for a PM?
Or has he been repeatedly lying to Parliament and to all of us, in the belief that we are the idiots?

The only ones who aren’t bothered , want to move on are the ones who behaved in the same manner he did , if I’d not been able to visit a dying relative , attend there funeral etc I’d want blood
He’s a ■■■■■■■ disgrace,

Funny isn’t it, when its something juicy or trivial, ie when discussing Angela’s admirable legs or crafty drinky poos during so called lockdown, the house of ill repute is creaking at the seams with bodies and aimless jeering, hypocrits almost all.

Something actually important like a member raising the real issue of damage caused to real people who went along as cajoled with the medical treatment scam, the House was like the bloody Mary Celeste, barely a handful to be seen and those that were couldn’t have been more disinterested.

The whole bloody lot, and 90% of the media, need sacking off and start again, because our once admired democracy and its bought legacy media is now a clown show of epic proportions, sadly like so much of the western world.
Never fear i was taken in too, i once thought JRM might have been the knight in shining armour we desperately needed before too late, but he turned out to be just another politician.

I couldn’t give a tuppeny one how many parties they attended nor how many illicit affairs they had, the whole sodding scam was obvious from 10 days into the three weeks to flatten the curve shutdown, anyone awake after that simply switched off the idiot box and carried on with their lives normally.

Yes there have been tragic cases all around, not just the thousands of old people killed by the govt/medical dept sending old folks from hospital into care homes and administering excessive amounts of Midazolam, the NHS failing in its duty to provide care for all over the last 2 years, one could go one for pages at the injustices and criminally negligent (if we describe them tactfully) events and decisions over the period.
To make a song and dance about politicians who haven’t in most cases earned and will never deserve our respect about a bloody party or three with everything else thats happened taht has come to light and will come to light is obscene, it’s a barely visible swirl in a teacup compared with the tornado of wrong doing corruption and utter betrayal of the country and its people, indeed of the whole western world, which continues and accelerates as Blofeld and his cronies in Davos declare their world ■■■■■■■■■■.

Jesus wept people, get a bloody grip, stop looking at the harmless squirrels they keep pointing out to you and see the elephants in the room.

Parties are not illegal and have never been illegal.
If you work all day every day (legally) in close proximity with a group of people how does a virus become suddenly more deadly as soon as you break out the wine and cheese?
The only people interested in this is the BBC [emoji849]

And for those of us who are interested…

assets.publishing.service.gov.u … ERINGS.pdf

Pick out your interesting bits, or ignore* it as you please.

*directed at those who saw the thread title “Sue Gray Report” and thought it was about footie or summat.

Para 16.
“There are of course differences in the level of detail in each of the narratives;
the amount of evidence my team and I gathered varied by event. In some cases,
we were able to obtain accounts from multiple attendees, as well as
documentary material, including email communications, entry and exit logs and
photographs. For other events there was less documentary evidence and we
were only able to speak with a limited number of individuals. This was most
notably the case for those events that we started investigating later in the
process, essentially at the point at which the Metropolitan Police said they
would be investigating those same events. This necessarily limited what we
were able to establish about those gatherings as it would not have been
appropriate to continue with our investigation once the police investigation had
commenced. The Metropolitan Police investigation had primacy. I have taken
the view that it would not be necessary, appropriate or proportionate to
undertake any further investigation work following the conclusion of the work of
the Metropolitan Police.”

So, Sue Gray stopped her investigation when The Met started theirs…
Well, so long as it wus in their safe hands we have nowt to worry about, have we?
FFS !

Franglais:

robroy:
I think the only people who actually care about all this sh are Boris’s political opponents,.those who have an agenda towards him and/or his party, or general ‘Boris haters’ such as yourself Franglais.
Most of us are pig [zb] sick of hearing it on the media, and we are trying to just move on from all this Covid related ■■■■■■■■.
However I’ll expect to hear you banging on about it for the next 5 to 6 years and counting…a la Brexit.

I know you like a quiet life RR. Ignore anything to avoid controversy.
“Boris hater”? Moi? An agenda against him?
Well, it is this penchant I have for “telling it like it is”, and disliking weasely little cowards who throw others under the bus rather than own up to their own short-comings. A peculiar little trait I have for admiring honest straight talking people. Maybe that is why I don`t much like our country being represented by such a person as Johnson.

Just think, if Johnson had resigned as quickly as he sacked Allegra Stratton then we wouldnt be discussing the Sue Gray report here, would we? And by the way, the same rules apply here as the Brexit thread: the title is very clear: if it doesnt interest you dont read it! Easier than you typing messages telling everyone else to shut up. :bulb: That isnt how forums work, don`t ya know.

But since you are here, what do you think?
Was Johnson photographed drinking at a crowded gathering after work, genuinely too stupid to believe that it was not a party?
Is such an idiot a good choice for a PM?
Or has he been repeatedly lying to Parliament and to all of us, in the belief that we are the idiots?

Not going to apologise for being laid back (or compared to you comatose ) about stuff that has no bearing on my life, but if you want me to agree with abso everything you say in order to not interrupt you whilst in full boredom mode and not interrupt your flow…err no, sorry mate,.ain’t happening.
I’m fully aware of the concept of a forum fyi, , it’s for giving opinion and debating points,.so you can’t say just because I don’t share your bizzare obsessions and refusal to let things go,.I should just ignore and not comment, if you do mate it ain’t me who is ignorant of how a forum works, now is it?.

dozy:
The only ones who aren’t bothered , want to move on are the ones who behaved in the same manner he did , if I’d not been able to visit a dying relative , attend there funeral etc I’d want blood
He’s a ■■■■■■■ disgrace,

Guilty as charged doze,.there was no way in hell I was going to let any govt spoil my Christmas or my social life after I had worked (admittedly apart from furlough,. which I ain’t ashamed nor embarrased to say I enjoyed btw) all year x2.

I kept away from vulnerable family members, I did not knowingly put anybody at risk, mostly because I was mixing with like minded people,.whilst people like yourself locked yourself in safety indoors …either unhealthy frightened or both (not knocking you btw doze by saying that, as I was also taken in initially watching the ’ people dropping like flies’’ in Italy, but then I opened my eyes and what I was being told and what I was seeing ‘‘did not compute’’ so I reacted accordingly. )

Only thing Johnson did wrong was getting caught where as I didn’t…
It’s like everything else and everybody in life.
As for your point about funerals (which I take btw) but my personal point is ,.(pre.emtped by a caveat of me saying ‘‘I am neither a fan nor an apologist for Boris Johnson’’)
That point is…
There is a world of difference between a group of people working together 10 hours a day or so/5 days a week finishing their day off with a couple of drinks in the same environment they have worked,.than 30 family members meeting for a couple of hours for a 1 off funeral.

Franglais can’t get around the fact we are ran by MPs that are not 100% kosher and a bit dodgy,.I’d love to live in that simple world of naivity (don’t tell him Santa dont exist ffs! …it’ll tip him over the edge.)

That’s all I’m saying, I’m starting to bore myself as much as Franglais bores me ( but only sometimes Frangers )

robroy:
if you want me to agree with abso everything you say in order to not interrupt you whilst in full boredom mode and not interrupt your flow…err no, sorry mate,.ain’t happening.
I’m fully aware of the concept of a forum fyi, , it’s for giving opinion and debating points,

robroy:
I should just ignore and not comment, if you do mate it ain’t me who is ignorant of how a forum works, now is it?.

Agreed;
I am all for you putting your side of any argument.
Unlike this poster who wants me to shut up…

robroy:
I think the only people who actually care about all this sh are Boris’s political opponents,.those who have an agenda towards him and/or his party, or general ‘Boris haters’ such as yourself Franglais.
Most of us are pig [zb] sick of hearing it on the media, and we are trying to just move on from all this Covid related ■■■■■■■■, get on with outr lives,.and if we must concentrate on anything political, concentrate on something that is actually important.

Oh, It`s RobRoy, our very own Winston Smith. Simultaneously wanting to “move on” and also comment on a subject.

robroy:
Not going to apologise for being laid back (or compared to you comatose ) about stuff that has no bearing on my life,

So, the lockdown imposed by Johnson had no bearing on your life?
Nah, I can`t be arsed to quote alll of those posts where you said otherwise. Another example of your Orwellian “doublethink”.

Johnson made rules about contact and work. They did affect you, as you were always crying about it being excessive.

He himself clearly broke those rules.
If you don`t care about that please feel free to tell us so, or “move on” and ignore the situation. Let Johnson do the same again, and again, as he surely will so long as he can rely on people “moving on” and doing nothing to stop him.
His tactic of wearing down people by telling lies again and again until they give up caring works. At least in your case it does.

So, what do you think? I`ll ask again:

Franglais:
Was Johnson photographed drinking at a crowded gathering after work, genuinely too stupid to believe that it was not a party?
Is such an idiot a good choice for a PM?
Or has he been repeatedly lying to Parliament and to all of us, in the belief that we are the idiots?

Is Johnson so thick, he didn`t realise he was breaking the rules he made? And do you think someone that stupid should run the country?
Or
Did he knowingly break the rules, the rules that he wanted others disciplined for? And do you think someone that nasty should run the country?
Or do you really think the rules were all wrong? And he (for some bizarre reason) wanted to impose lockdowns for no good reason?

robroy:
Franglais can’t get around the fact we are ran by MPs that are not 100% kosher and a bit dodgy,

Are MPs all saints? Of course they arent. When they do wrong they should hold their hands up and admit it. Even if they dont they should be taken to task by their national or constituency party.
We have a liar held in place by those who seek to protect their jobs, and their party, no matter how the country as a whole is affected. It isn`t about party politics: Thatcher would never have been so two faced, nor Major or May.

Never before have we had a PM fined for an offence whilst in power…never…
You can believe all the spin about how “they`re all the same”, but this is the worst Gov by a country mile for scandal and rank hypocrisy.

robroy:
a bit dodgy,

He sacked Stratton who was never at a party; even now, after he was fined for being at a party, was also at several other parties where other people were fined, he is probably about to sack more underlings, and he " takes full responsibility", yet doesnt walk? "A bit dodgy" doesnt cover the half of it.

robroy:
There is a world of difference between a group of people working together 10 hours a day or so/5 days a week finishing their day off with a couple of drinks in the same environment they have worked,.than 30 family members meeting for a couple of hours for a 1 off funeral.

Ive never been to a funeral where drinking went on until 4 in the morning, were there was redwine splashed on the walls, drunks "having altercations", abusing cleaners and security staff, and vomiting, etc. The rules at the time said " At work, social distancing guidance applied, places required ³to maintain 2m social distancing wherever possible, including while arriving at and departing from work, while in work and when travelling between sites" The drinking was clearly outside of these rules. The rules Johnson made. Working at a necessary task, sat at a desk with maybe perspex shields isnt the same as drinking, singing karaoke, dancing, or sitting on colleagues laps, and puking up booze. Everyone would see that, surely?

Unless of course they are fooled by the “doublespeak” of Big Bro…oh, Big Dog… of course.

Jeez H Christ Franglais calm down man ffs.
I think maybe you are following me far to close and taking on board too much what I say.
Don’t take mre too seriously mate, save your fascination for your specialist subjects.
You’ll be hating me as much as you hate Boris soon…if not already.
Not good for your BP mate.

Btw …who tf is Winston Smith,.and who does he play for?
You know me mate, obsessed with football.

Or Well…need to get on.
(Just a clue to let you know I ain’t as thick as you think. )
,

If BJ was to go then who would you like to replace him from the tory party

I cannot think of anyone I would like to see as PM instead of BJ and I certainly do not want Labour with another 10 years of austerity once they have finished

ROG:
If BJ was to go then who would you like to replace him from the tory party

I cannot think of anyone I would like to see as PM instead of BJ and I certainly do not want Labour with another 10 years of austerity once they have finished

I agree,.at least Boris brings a bit of funk. …sorry I really need to take this stuff more seriously. (as everything )
Who cares who’s next as long as Frangers gets his own way., and can then go on to entertain us with his next thing.

Seriously though I still think there are important issues for any party or pm to concentrate on rather than all this bullcrap.
So they had a party or parties and got found out…as my granddaughter says…'‘BigWow’.

Look on the bright side,.Putin may nuke us before long,.they’ll sure as hell be a lot of parties during the 1 hour warning. …so get yer masks and full face plastic visors ready to protect yourselves… prioritise.

As already mentioned, the majority are sick and fed up with the constant left wing media assault with all this, I wonder if they will drop it if that Labour wooden top gets a fine for his pre arranged beer and curry do?

bigstraight6:
As already mentioned, the majority are sick and fed up with the constant left wing media assault with all this, I wonder if they will drop it if that Labour wooden top gets a fine for his pre arranged beer and curry do?

“Starmer was filmed swigging from a beer bottle in the City of Durham MP Mary Foy’s office, on 30th April 2021, working in the run-up to the Hartlepool by-election, sparking accusations that he broke lockdown rules. At the time the country was in Step 2 out of lockdown three and people were prohibited from socialising with people outside their households but there were exceptions for key workers.
But speaking at the time the footage was published, Starmer defended his actions on LBC. He said no restaurants or pubs were open and the hotel in which he and colleagues were staying did not serve food, so “if you didn’t get a takeaway then our team wasn’t eating that evening”. He said they returned to work after eating the meal.”
indy100.com/news/keir-starm … rry-durham

Looks to me like eating a meal and drinking a beer, while working away from home, may have been within the rules at that time.
We already know that wasn`t the case with over a dozen parties in Downing St.

bigstraight6:
As already mentioned, the majority are sick and fed up …left wing media assault

That part seems true:
Two thirds think he is doing badly by YouGov (5th May)
yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/tr … val-rating
(reported in the that hot bed of commies: The Express)

Its OK, you’ve won.
Politicians, their owners in the halls of Davos, and their lickspittle media and armies of useful idiots.

It’s pointless diversions like this report that have alienated everyone still remotely normal, whatever happened in partygate isn’t the issue, no-one cares how many drinks they had, who argued with who, who blew who, it’s tittle tattle that the sunday papers used to get the great unwashed excited over back in the day.

If there’s any single thing that should be realised by the blinkered, its that, from the start, THEY knew there was little to no danger to be had from the covid version of black death.
THEY laughed at you then, They’ve been laughing at you for years, They’re ■■■■■■■ themselves at you now as you get worked up by this pointless report…oh but did you know they leaned on and damaged a childs swing in the back garden of Downing Street, maybe someone got a good seeing to over the bloody swing, who knows what they get up to, but for Christ’s sake, the country is heading to ruin, they’ve pushed the Russians into a war (by design) and we’re supposed to worry about a damaged swing, give me strength.
They’re laughing at this report, because it underlines that They got away with the biggest scam in history.
They have taken the country to the brink of financial ruin, which is handy for the global set in Davos because that’s just what they wanted as part of their plans for the Great Reset, and they’ve got away with it.
Jolly wheeze eh Bunter.

What is the point in even talking about it any more, Peter Hitchens has been saying for many years that he’s given up trying to do any good and now just writes the obituary of the country, not as i’ll ever compare myself with Hitchens but you can see where he’s coming from, what is the point of even bothering any more.

You’ve won.
Just hope you enjoy what your heroes have planned for you next which you helped to bring about.

Franglais:
Looks to me like eating a meal and drinking a beer, while working away from home, may have been within the rules at that time.

Pheeeew…(wiping brow.)
I can’t tell you how relieved I am,.I haven’t slept since that day a couple of months ago when I had that ham sarnie and bottle of bud that memorable night in Exeter.with a mate…or 'Sarnigate as I prefer to call it.
I haven’t slept wondering what ‘‘The Rules’’ were at that time.
I.was beginning to think I was some kind of rebel, it is only now that I’ve had the courage to fess up.
I can now sleep soundly in my bed…rules is rules/must be obeyed.

Cheers for clearing that dilemma up for me mate.

Seriously Franglais, there’s a whole life out there man.