Win Seering - some predictions for the near future

Following my “weaponized power cuts” musings of a few weeks ago which got my facebook account busted, I’ll post any observations, suspicions, and outright predictions for the “near future” in this thread.

Boris Johnson’s latest move to close and re-open parliament - forces the Remoaner Coalition of Chaos to bring any motion of no confidence forward by some 24-48 hours - next week.

This makes it harder for the Remainer contingent to get the votes in - as the vote is likely to be very close indeed, and you can count on Boris getting all the votes HE needs to stick around for a while longer.

MPs will be flying in from their foreign holidays with their families throught the next few days.

There will likely be a time when "All the Pro Brexit MPs are back on British Soil, whilst a few Remainer stragglers - are still abroad, in transit, or about to land at UK airports, especially those in the South of England.

Therefore: I suspect there will be a widespread airport lockdown next week, which will just happen to delay a few would-be “against” voters from turning up at Westminster - to do just that.
This “lockdown” should be easy to swing, looking at Boris’ current dream-team cabinet line up.

Thus, Boris isn’t going to lose any motion of no confidence, and it is likely the motion won’t even be brought, because Corbyn knows in advance that if he calls it - and LOSES - then Keir Starmer will have his arse in a sling before Parliament even goes into the so-called “Shutdown”.

The Remainer establishment figures are desperate at this point, bribes long paid, totally devoted to their EU paymasters as they are.

I can’t see this “Sit in” happening should any motion of no confidence lose.
Nor can I see any general election being forced, now that such an election is well-nigh impossible to make happen before Brexit Day, October 31st.

The only thing that can stop Brexit now - is Boris Johnson himself, faceplanting without any help from anyone else.

If he is this “clown” that his enemies seem to think he is - then Boris can safely be left to bugger up Brexit at the 11th hour all by himself.

HOWEVER - If he’s this brainy, well-nigh Machiavellian character who’s already pulled a stroke of Genius in his latest political “moves” - then the next few days and weeks - are going to get more and more interesting by the day.

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In the real world all the remain MP’s the remainers need will be there making full use of the deliberate windows of opportunity that remainer BoJo has given them within the sham diversionary bs ‘closure’ of Parliament stunt.Which is only there to fool the Leave side.While delivering May’s end game.

Operation Hummingbird.
Know your enemy.
You have your orders.
MESSAGE ENDS.

Carryfast:
In the real world all the remain MP’s the remainers need will be there making full use of the deliberate windows of opportunity that remainer BoJo has given them within the sham diversionary bs ‘closure’ of Parliament stunt.Which is only there to fool the Leave side.While delivering May’s end game.

Perhaps this whole thing is really about “getting Remainer MPs to admit that they never had any intention of letting Brexit happen” - with or without a deal.

It is easy to pretend “you favour a deal” when you’re asking for Unicorn’s Horns, Hen’s Teeth, Captain Kirk’s ■■■■■■■■, and Epstein’s handwritten Suicide note among your “impossible to meet” demands…
It’s even easier for Corbyn to pretend he’s “not interested in the Brexit Dividend” when I’m sure he’d find ways of spending it all within days of taking office.

In Ancient Egypt, the “Defiler” would be the Embalmer who’s job was to make the first incision ONLY. He’d then ritually run away, with stones being thrown at by his co-workers.
Everyone and his dog (and cat!) got mummified though. That’s a lot of running, a lot of stone throwing - and a lot of stones that need to be gathered beforehand - all in the name of “Traditional Values”.

Labour - surely would like to loot the failing Euro Empire as surely as the Vandals and Goths sacked Rome!

Why can’t people just speak the truth any more, instead of ducking each other’s lies, but never actually parrying with some honest deeds and promises kept for once?? :frowning:

Winseer:
Perhaps this whole thing is really about “getting Remainer MPs to admit that they never had any intention of letting Brexit happen” - with or without a deal.

The only way of getting Brexit would be to tell the EU that we’re leaving ( or we’ve actually left ) and that we will therefore also no longer meet the conditions of the single market.Feel free to change the rules any time.But to be honest the thing is only a deficit liability to us anyway so you can shove it if you really want to.

While a ‘deal’ by definition can only mean BRINO ( see above ).On that note the Remainers not accepting BRINO is most likely a big act and part of the charade.It was always going to be their plan B if they lost the referendum obviously keeping us tied to the EU and the Lisbon Treaty and their way back either way which is all they really need.Now awaits the vote in the house conveniently handed to them by BoJo’s ( non ) proroging of parliament.Which will be the foregone conclusion of BRINO or article 50 extension possibly even a combination of both. :bulb:

I’m of the mind that we don’t actually WANT a “Deal” now. I’m quite happy with seeing that £39billion spend back here in blightly, with any worries about the backstop left behind by us having left “No Deal”.

It would be very awkward at this point if the EU suddenly said “Ok guys, Backstop dropped. Now then: How about that £39billion? - Not sure you’re ready to pay that? - Let’s carry on talking…” For the next thirty years or so, meanwhile you pay the subscriptions as per usual, and carry on with the current Tory Austerity plans to raise the money required to meet those EU contributions".

I’d like to see Boris pull the plug on “Further Negotiations” by October 22nd. “It’s too late from this point. I’d still have to put your last minute capitulation offer to parliament IF you offer it to me TODAY. If you thought you could offer me “further talks” at 22:59hrs on Haloween, and see me meekly boot Brexit down the road, even for just ONE week - then you must think I was born yesterday!”

If the Remainers want a deal - THEY are going to have to go to Brussels and twist the EU’s arm themselves - because I suspect Boris has got no intention of pursuing a deal. He wants the EU to offer one, and they don’t have a mind to do so, nor have they ever. If the other side requested it though? - THAT is what Boris is waiting for: Parliamentary consent to actually do ANY kind of Brexit. “Involve them in the process”. It’s fine if they stay intransigent though, because it fully AUTHORIZES Boris’ interpretation of the 17.4m mandate as “being one for No Deal”. It IS ! We DO consent!

Winseer:
I’m of the mind that we don’t actually WANT a “Deal” now. I’m quite happy with seeing that £39billion spend back here in blightly, with any worries about the backstop left behind by us having left “No Deal”.

It would be very awkward at this point if the EU suddenly said “Ok guys, Backstop dropped. Now then: How about that £39billion? - Not sure you’re ready to pay that? - Let’s carry on talking…” For the next thirty years or so, meanwhile you pay the subscriptions as per usual, and carry on with the current Tory Austerity plans to raise the money required to meet those EU contributions".

I’d like to see Boris pull the plug on “Further Negotiations” by October 22nd. “It’s too late from this point. I’d still have to put your last minute capitulation offer to parliament IF you offer it to me TODAY. If you thought you could offer me “further talks” at 22:59hrs on Haloween, and see me meekly boot Brexit down the road, even for just ONE week - then you must think I was born yesterday!”

If the Remainers want a deal - THEY are going to have to go to Brussels and twist the EU’s arm themselves - because I suspect Boris has got no intention of pursuing a deal. He wants the EU to offer one, and they don’t have a mind to do so, nor have they ever. If the other side requested it though? - THAT is what Boris is waiting for: Parliamentary consent to actually do ANY kind of Brexit. “Involve them in the process”. It’s fine if they stay intransigent though, because it fully AUTHORIZES Boris’ interpretation of the 17.4m mandate as “being one for No Deal”. It IS ! We DO consent!

Boris clearly stated on the news that the big Remainer Act is making it ‘more difficult’ for him to reach a… ‘DEAL’ .You know the same May BRINO DEAL which he voted for before. :unamused:

Which in Tory double speak terms means keep up the Act lads we have to show the EU that we are still an enthusiastic member state and I’ll sort out these mug Leave voters who think that I’m on their side.

If BoJo was the real deal he would not only have withdrawn the government’s defence of the Tilbrook case.He would also have immediately prorogued parliament and delivered the ‘we have now left according to the terms agreed in March document’ to the EU and HM would have given assent to the quashing of the European Communities Act from that date.

Remind us what her excuse would have been when the remainers then said to her how can you do that on grounds of sovereignty,in the form of no deal Brexit, when you signed that sovereignty away in 1973.To which her reply ‘would’ have been I didn’t have access to FCO 30/1048 then or when we signed up to Maastricht.Oh wait what if she did and the records which MP’s have access to prove it.

Make no mistake we can’t leave the EU on any grounds of return of sovereignty without implicating HM for handing it over in 1973.In addition to the fact that the US government can’t afford to be seen to support secession in Europe as opposed to backing its Federalisation. :unamused: :unamused:

May’s deal with the backstop removed, and £39billion taken off - would probably do it, actually…

There’s no actual need nor insistance that we leave the single market and customs union.
That’s the EU demanding that, since we’ll not be paying them a brass farthing after leaving.

…If any deal gives us continued, but limited access for free - then I could live with that as a “compromise” - and I reckon a lot of Remainers could too! :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:

Winseer:
May’s deal with the backstop removed, and £39billion taken off - would probably do it, actually…

There’s no actual need nor insistance that we leave the single market and customs union.
That’s the EU demanding that, since we’ll not be paying them a brass farthing after leaving.

…If any deal gives us continued, but limited access for free - then I could live with that as a “compromise” - and I reckon a lot of Remainers could too! :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:

You do know that the 39 billion is just the ‘divorce sttlement’.

So,having admitted defeat concerning the issue of the contradiction between HM’s assent to the European Communities Act v assent to quashing the European Communities Act on any grounds of sovereignty and the US Federal government which won’t do/can’t afford secession in Europe.You’re happy to go on allowing the EU to rule the country in exchange for access to a single market which is a trade deficit liability to us and we don’t have to pay them a ‘divorce’ settlement for the privilege.But all other ongoing contributions stay in place because,as you know,like the issue of sovereignty,that is the non negotiable price of being in the single market.So BRINO is actually what you wanted all along.Just like remainers May and BoJo and the majority of the Conservative Federalist Party.Who would have thought it.

There’s no need to pay a “divorce settlement” because we didn’t get married, nor joined a political Union when Heath took us into the EEC.

Any notion that we are “legally bound to pay” such a “divorce settlement” therefore, suggests to me that all persons surviving from this period, polticials, lawyers, bankers, etc. alike - need to now be legally moved against, because WTF are we doing surrendering politically in a treaty-of-versailles style deal to the power we supposedly defeated in two world wars?

The sooner Remainers on the Foreign Power Payroll - are outed, and prosecuted for being just that - the better.

How can we “take back control” of our own laws and money - if some foreign outfit says it is illegal for us to even argue the toss?

So much time has been wasted by people “Pretending to go about getting Brexit done” - when the clear and obvious way from the very beginning was to make a poltical declaration, and then enforce it using military might the moment the “Enemy” both abroad and within - tries to push back at it.

Imagine a sequence of events

“Chamberlain wants to declare war on Hitler’s Germany”
“Chamberlain holds a referendum to see if the people consent”.
“Churchill stays on the back benches”
“The people vote narrowly 52/48 to come to Poland’s aid”
"The 48% are of the mind that “Regime Change from the hated Tories - wouldn’t be a bad thing, and campaign to offer Hitler a seat at some negotiations they are trying to set up”
"The 48% don’t mind if a few Jewish folk get rounded up and sent overseas as part of that “deal”, as we all know the Far Left are “For the Many, not the Jew” already. Hitler is the leader of the “National” SOCIALIST German Worker’s Party, after all.
WWII hostilities get postponed all the while these talks go on. The Battle of Britain is averted, but France still falls in a few days to Hitler’s Blitzkrieg machine.
The Dunkirk evacuees - didn’t get evacuated, because our parliament couldn’t organize anything, such are the divisions. British personnel on the European continent, get treated as “Unlawful Combatants” by the spreading ■■■■ Reich. Few get back across the channel alive.
We are STILL not engaging in hostiliities vs Germany, because “Talks are still ongoing”.

Hitler Mops up the entire continent, and even commences Operation Barborossa to little protest at Whitehall, Back Bencher Churchill a “voice crying in the wilderness”.
America under FDR are even LESS concerned, with great Congressional pressure to “Stay out of this Limey’s war”.
News of Jewish and Slavic folk being killed by the million - is brushed under the carpet. America steps up it’s industry to sell us weapons at full price on Lend Lease, but have no intention of ever joining us against the Nazis…

Then December 7th 1941 comes, turning everything upside down, with history then starting to swing back to the path it actuall took in OUR timeline.
It’s already too late for Britain though, as we lost the initiative, daring not to go to war with the entire European continent now occupied, and the Wehrmacht having a far easier time of their invasion of the Russias “only fighting a war on one front” as they are, by that point, Britian STILL not “in the war”.

America - holds a vote on joining the war, and decides on reflection, that it is better to sell arms to Britain, and only take refugees with big wads over to America.

“Evil Wins - when the Good do Nothing”.

Winseer:
There’s no need to pay a “divorce settlement” because we didn’t get married, nor joined a political Union when Heath took us into the EEC.

Any notion that we are “legally bound to pay” such a “divorce settlement” therefore, suggests to me that all persons surviving from this period, polticials, lawyers, bankers, etc. alike - need to now be legally moved against, because WTF are we doing surrendering politically in a treaty-of-versailles style deal to the power we supposedly defeated in two world wars?

The sooner Remainers on the Foreign Power Payroll - are outed, and prosecuted for being just that - the better.

How can we “take back control” of our own laws and money - if some foreign outfit says it is illegal for us to even argue the toss?

So much time has been wasted by people “Pretending to go about getting Brexit done” - when the clear and obvious way from the very beginning was to make a poltical declaration, and then enforce it using military might the moment the “Enemy” both abroad and within - tries to push back at it.

Imagine a sequence of events

“Chamberlain wants to declare war on Hitler’s Germany”
“Chamberlain holds a referendum to see if the people consent”.
“Churchill stays on the back benches”
“The people vote narrowly 52/48 to come to Poland’s aid”
"The 48% are of the mind that “Regime Change from the hated Tories - wouldn’t be a bad thing, and campaign to offer Hitler a seat at some negotiations they are trying to set up”
"The 48% don’t mind if a few Jewish folk get rounded up and sent overseas as part of that “deal”, as we all know the Far Left are “For the Many, not the Jew” already. Hitler is the leader of the “National” SOCIALIST German Worker’s Party, after all.
WWII hostilities get postponed all the while these talks go on. The Battle of Britain is averted, but France still falls in a few days to Hitler’s Blitzkrieg machine.
The Dunkirk evacuees - didn’t get evacuated, because our parliament couldn’t organize anything, such are the divisions. British personnel on the European continent, get treated as “Unlawful Combatants” by the spreading ■■■■ Reich. Few get back across the channel alive.
We are STILL not engaging in hostiliities vs Germany, because “Talks are still ongoing”.

Hitler Mops up the entire continent, and even commences Operation Barborossa to little protest at Whitehall, Back Bencher Churchill a “voice crying in the wilderness”.
America under FDR are even LESS concerned, with great Congressional pressure to “Stay out of this Limey’s war”.
News of Jewish and Slavic folk being killed by the million - is brushed under the carpet. America steps up it’s industry to sell us weapons at full price on Lend Lease, but have no intention of ever joining us against the Nazis…

Then December 7th 1941 comes, turning everything upside down, with history then starting to swing back to the path it actuall took in OUR timeline.
It’s already too late for Britain though, as we lost the initiative, daring not to go to war with the entire European continent now occupied, and the Wehrmacht having a far easier time of their invasion of the Russias “only fighting a war on one front” as they are, by that point, Britian STILL not “in the war”.

America - holds a vote on joining the war, and decides on reflection, that it is better to sell arms to Britain, and only take refugees with big wads over to America.

“Evil Wins - when the Good do Nothing”.

Exactly we never got married to anyone.So why do you seem to be saying let’s not pay the non divorce bill for the sham non marriage but let’s go on with the blackmail of trade for sovereignty which is the only deal that the EU can/will possibly offer.Because if it offers the single market and the return of sovereignty that is the end of the EU as it is presently configured.

As for the history lesson.No in this analogy Queen Victoria and her government offers the full resources of the Royal Navy acting on the side of the CSA in 1862 including the undertaking of hostilities against the Union fleet and the blockading of its ports.While brokering a peace deal,on the basis of the phased end to slavery and the repatriation of the slave population from the Confederate States.With a planned 1880 date for its completion,on humanitarian grounds.

This will be fun.

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I think we can see where this is all heading.Evil ( Federalism ) certainly wins when ‘the Good’ do nothing. :bulb: :frowning:

Overall, people would accept the rule of ANYONE - if they benefit rather than suffer from that “Rule”.

I’m always amazed that the perceived 1% that benefit directly from the UK being in the EU - have managed to string along another 47% all this time…

How does a Remainer actually directly gain from us staying in the EU?

You’d have to be VERY “Risk Averse”, if I use this analogy:

The Grand National Annual horse race is coming up.
You are not a gambler.

You are offered either a ten pound note “Free cash, to walk away with right now” OR a £50 voucher that MUST be spent entirely on the Grand National race. No change given, only winnings paid out, not “stake back” as part of the bet.

An idiot would just take the tenner, because a “Bird in the hand is worth two in the bush” (or five times, in this case)

A seasoned gambler would just stick the whole £50 free bet on one horse, and will probably end up with bugger all. (40 runners - the mathematicaly chance of winning at random is 1 in 40 or 2.5%)

A THINKING person though? Would stake £1.25 (of the free bet, must be spent all at once on one betting ticket) on each of the 40 horses, noticing that even the FAVORITE is around 8-1 in price, meaning that the MINIMUM one will be returned is… A TENNER.

In real life, the betting shop is likely to be full of people “betting on one horse”, because the only people that seem to realize that one can back more than one horse at a time - are those who’d not be seen dead in a betting shop in the FIRST place!

So the worst-case scenario if one “gambles” here - is one gets the same later as if one takes the cash now.

Why settle for less when with a bit of patience - you can have a “freeroll” where one cannot really lose, but it is possible to win a whole lot more, if a horse with a big price comes up in this example?

Leaving the EU is like rolling a ‘2’ and you a choice of sticking or rolling again for a better prize.
“Knowing my luck, if I rolled again, I’d get a ‘1’ and end up even WORSE off” - slips the hapless “gamble dodger” into the realm of “risk pacifism” that in the long run, will see you ending up dead with no big win ever in your life.

Sometimes, “settling for the status quo” - just won’t do!

Brexit - is one of those occasions. “Fortune favours the Brave” - and there’s nothing wrong with taking a calculated risk.

Applied to Brexit:

If we pay less to the EU than we pay now - then we are better off by that amount once we have left.
If we are forced to trade elsewhere for our goods and services, then there is only an “upheaval” where trading people have to re-route to organize, and worry about. “Some work involved”.
It doesn’t mean that what we currently sell the EU cannot possibly be sold elsewhere, like some seem to think.
Nor that we cannot possibly replace say, Seville Oranges with Jupter Oranges (AND at less price!) - because someone like Khaaan argues “We shouldn’t buy cheap food from Trump’s America because he’s racist, and Trump will be sure to rip us off”.

FFS if your best mate offers you a punch in the face and a fiver, whilst a complete stranger offers you a tenner and NO punch in the face - are you REALLY going to go “Better the devil you know” here■■? :unamused:
ALWAYS ask yourself “What’s the best that could happen, vs the worst that could happen” - and make an informed choice based on your own perceptions and experience rather than the hearsay comments and opinions of others!

Otherwise, one day we’ll be listening to some Labour pundit telling us “Don’t buy food at half-price in Tescos, because it’s a Jewish-run firm, and therefore it’s wares are smelly because we said so”.

I, for one - like to compare like for like. I’ll shop at the place that offers the same goods for the lowest price.

Once out of the EU, it will be likely some time before the EU gets to build any barriers both physical and business-wise against our trade with them.
I guess we won’t be building any walls, nor turning away trucks full of stuff that will continue to arrive and depart from our shores come November 1st.

The only thing that should be ceasing - are our payments. GREAT if we end up with full access for FREE - since that will be the “Free trading club” that our parents generation thought they’d been taken into by both mainstream parties back in the early 70’s…

Heath took us in, lost the election, and then Wilson held a referendum “Should we stay in, or get out”. BOTH parties campaigned YES - stay in.


We voted to STAY of course, because the downside of being in the EU - didn’t hit us until some months after that in late 1975 onwards…

Winseer:
Overall, people would accept the rule of ANYONE - if they benefit rather than suffer from that “Rule”.

Too much emphasis on material gain there when people have rightly given their lives over the issue of ‘who’ rules and ‘how’ and having the democratic power to chuck em out if they don’t do their job.Generally on the lines of patriotism and country which is just a form of local democracy.

Make no mistake the division between EU Federalists v Brit secessionists is no different being an argument over who rules us and which country we owe our allegiance to.On that note the Head of State made the wrong call in 1972 and has probably set the country on course for a typical war of Federal aggression,in our case along the lines of the Missouri scenario in 1861-5,sooner or later as a result.

“If you treat a dog well - it will not bite you”.

Thatcher saw to it I didn’t earn the same as the person working next to me for the first six years of my working life. I never voted for Thatcher.
A Left-leaning firm gave me a job, after I had argued at interview that I wasn’t overqualified, and just wanted a job where I earned the same as the person working next to me doing the same job.
I voted SDP around that time, and Libdem right upto the time Ashdown stepped down, and again for the last time in 2010 when Nick Clegg proved to us all how useless he could be as a Europhile in government.

Nowadays - my votes are all about “Regime Change” - and nothing else. If I thought I could survive a Labour government, at least Financially - I’d back Labour, even under Corbyn.
I’m far from convinced my family interests WOULD survive a regime that considers “anyone earning over minimum wages” rich though, albeit I stay Left Leaning on matters of Finance, and support the notions to re-nationalize the utilities along with Tony Benn’s dream of “Nationalizing the Banking System”, which in my mind - could and should have happened in 2008 following the Credit Crunch. :imp:

That it wasn’t done - is my main reason for avoiding the Labour vote now that I seem to be done for good with the Libdems. :unamused:

Winseer:
“If you treat a dog well - it will not bite you”.

Thatcher saw to it I didn’t earn the same as the person working next to me for the first six years of my working life. I never voted for Thatcher.
A Left-leaning firm gave me a job, after I had argued at interview that I wasn’t overqualified, and just wanted a job where I earned the same as the person working next to me doing the same job.
I voted SDP around that time, and Libdem right upto the time Ashdown stepped down, and again for the last time in 2010 when Nick Clegg proved to us all how useless he could be as a Europhile in government.

Nowadays - my votes are all about “Regime Change” - and nothing else. If I thought I could survive a Labour government, at least Financially - I’d back Labour, even under Corbyn.
I’m far from convinced my family interests WOULD survive a regime that considers “anyone earning over minimum wages” rich though, albeit I stay Left Leaning on matters of Finance, and support the notions to re-nationalize the utilities along with Tony Benn’s dream of “Nationalizing the Banking System”, which in my mind - could and should have happened in 2008 following the Credit Crunch. :imp:

That it wasn’t done - is my main reason for avoiding the Labour vote now that I seem to be done for good with the Libdems. :unamused:

Great the remainers obviously perceive that handing over the country to a foreign power is good because it supposedly ‘treats them well’.The same could be said about Moseley’s supporters.Meanwhile others over the centuries have put on a uniform and given their lives for no other reason than which country they owe their allegiance to.

Winseer:
…If any deal gives us continued, but limited access for free - then I could live with that as a “compromise” - and I reckon a lot of Remainers could too! :bulb: :bulb: :bulb:

That’s the backstop

If the backstop is ever activated, it keeps UK in the customs union for ever (giving us free trade access) with no requirement to pay any contribution to EU budget

chrisdalott:
If the backstop is ever activated, it keeps UK in the customs union for ever (giving us free trade access) with no requirement to pay any contribution to EU budget

Which would obviously also mean that we can’t trade with any other part of the world on our own terms,including the US where unlike the EU we have a trade surplus,and we remain under the juristiction of the ECJ and EU rules and regulations IE BRINO.Which fits the definition of ‘Leaving’ the EU how ?.

While who can really believe that we would be freed from the contributions regime as part of that ‘deal’.Or at least provide an easy opt out back into it for the quisling pro EU rabble within the country.

Nah. The backstop means that for that “limited access” - we would have to keep on paying the EU fees - forever.

NO Brexit dividend - takes away 90% of the reasons for a Hard or No Deal Brexit in the FIRST place.

The EU have been leeching us for decades. “Taking back control” is 99% about "spending the UK’s money on UK home-grown interests, including for any foreigners already here. NOTHING OUTSIDE.

“Remove the log from thine own eye, brother”.

We should be solving all our own financial shortcomings - before trying to solve those of other nations that are officially basket-case economies.

Winseer:
Nah. The backstop means that for that “limited access” - we would have to keep on paying the EU fees - forever.

i think you are misinformed. there are no payments to the EU required related to the backstop fullfact.org/europe/if-we-go-ba … eu-period/

chrisdalott:

Winseer:
Nah. The backstop means that for that “limited access” - we would have to keep on paying the EU fees - forever.

i think you are misinformed. there are no payments to the EU required related to the backstop fullfact.org/europe/if-we-go-ba … eu-period/

You’re avin a larf did you actually read it.The UK ‘would pay’ a ‘divorce bill’ This will continue until 2064.If there is no deal by the end of the ‘transition period’ then the backstop would come into effect but that’s not the same thing as paying more because the backstop has happened.So what happened to the ‘divorce bill’ ?.We’re also tied to the ECJ and EU decisions so long as we are in any way shape or form part of the single market.Which of course is what the remainers want.

Remainers are just Federalist zbwits who owe their allegiance to the EU and its stinking flag and government and who should be arrested and put on trial for treason.The time for talking with these traitors is over.It’s that simple.